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Posts from Appeals Committee. Disputed situations in tournaments.
It's funny, of course, to watch the crowd of chameleons of all stripes. Just a moment ago, I was being assured that the rules are written clearly and unambiguously, and now a poll is opened about tweaking the wording.
I'll start with linguistics. I don't remember by name who was/were the author(s) of the current version of the rules. But it's quite obvious that they didn't have the required command of the Russian language. So, the expression "вскрывание сейвов, вскрывание карты" is not quite Russian. Just say it out loud, feel it. You can "вскрыть" a brain if necessary, or a safe, but in Russian you cannot "вскрывать карту" — it sounds clumsy even within the framework of new-speak. Therefore, I ask you to voice your opinion on this topic below.
Secondly, I'll get back to my point. I honestly cannot comprehend WHAT I'm being accused of. Seriously, I've been painted as this elusive hacker who cheats in every game but just can't be caught. I frankly don't understand WHERE THE QUESTIONS about the games are. Do you even understand the difference between playing with an open map and a closed one? Or are you just downtrodden nerds, used to repeating the same thing 100 times before thinking and understanding?
The main points:
Like, why bother when the train has already left. Well, for example, I'm sure I did everything in a timely manner (within the limits of available free time); I just didn't describe the course of my actions here. In general, I'm being accused of deceiving people. But in reality, the lie is obvious in the presentation of the matter itself. The deadlines, the messages in ICQ — well, it just wasn't like that). Did I vanish for two days? Provide the dates... Oh, you forgot them. Well, ok:
give me the save then right away Oelm 30.01.2013 5:59
I'm just dying
Oelm 31.01.2013 1:47
well, what's there to understand Oelm 31.01.2013 1:47
if the game was launched, it will skip turns Oelm 31.01.2013 1:47
after the turn timer
The Sema case was brought up; I've already apologized a hundred times for that incident and never denied my fault in it. Besides, what does the situation with Tvarina have to do with it at all? I DON'T UNDERSTAND...
The situation with Vic and loading a save:
The matter wasn't about tones or intonations at all, but that I immediately understood that, due to some peculiarities of file saving, different timestamps appear when saves are displayed for the two players.
Naturally, I don't know the reasons. But if, for example, against Tvarina, the display difference was one hour, then that hour will persist with the next save as well.
In general, all of AK's arguments are a high concentration of lies and ignorance of the game's mechanics.
2Kilgor - I'm afraid I didn't understand what you meant by "the first time" in your expression. I didn't understand what exactly you consider to be cheating.
Therefore, I ask you to express your opinion in the poll, if possible, outside the context of the current situation.
1. Who understood the non-standard phrase about opening saves (quote in the first post) specifically as a ban on loading and analyzing the save in single-player mode?
2. Who has loaded saves that way and is not afraid to say so openly?
To be continued...................................................................................................................
P.S. I specifically looked up the links for "вскрывание карты, вскрывание/вскрытие сейвов" in Google; all links led to HeroesWorld)
The matter was not about intonations at all, but about the fact that I immediately realized that due to some peculiarities of file saving, different timestamps appear when displaying saves for two players.
Naturally, I don't know the reasons. But if, for example, against Tvarina, the display difference was one hour, then that hour will be present in the next save as well.
"-So a pistol, Volodya, will outweigh 100 thousand other pieces of evidence" (C) Since you've found yourself in such a mess and consider yourself innocent, in your place, instead of beating around the bush, I would try to understand the mechanics of save timestamps. And gather proof of your non-involvement in maphacking. Or at least mitigate the guilt as much as possible. I once had a similar situation, and after spending a lot of time, I managed to find the cause and evidence. But for now, your defense position boils down to "Everyone is full of sh*t, and I'm Viktor Tsoi."
So, what is there to prove? It's not clear to me. This difference is, apparently, a common occurrence. You can experiment with it in your free time. I'm sure you'll succeed.
The dating mechanism is unclear to me because this difference can be half a day, or it can be an hour; I'm not a programmer.
Secondly, I'm not going to prove anything to anyone because it's only possible if there's at least some semblance of objectivity.
Basically, I see two points: gaining an advantage through maphacking and the difference in dates. But this is just a facade; I'm sure that people write one thing but think another, simply due to the widespread dishonesty and manipulation of facts. So, I'll prove that the difference in dates actually exists when loading saves from different machines. Then what? Will I hear again about a two-day pause? I'm posting the ICQ logs, and then I hear another lie. Sorry, I don't have that much free time.
I asked a specific question: if, according to the people who have taken on the role of judges, I opened the map, what did I gain from it? It seems logical to me that I should have gained something. The only response is "BSK" – you gained an advantage. Moreover, they even said it openly: that Tvarina could have watched replays of the last few days of the game, and that's perfectly fine. But I'm not allowed to load a save in single-player. So, what's next? Yavdet says I'm exaggerating the importance of AC in my life. I have my own perspective, and they have theirs. I don't feel any kind of oppression; I don't have heroic ambitions; the aesthetic aspect of the game has always been important to me. With the people who play with me on equal terms, I have roughly the same win-loss ratio. With those who play weaker, it's in my favor. With those I consider stronger players than myself, it's negative (although there aren't many of them). Do you really think that I could have gained extra information, say, by looking at the contents of a controversial Utopia, and then what? Would I have to live with the fact that I beat many strong players in fair play, but I couldn't honestly beat Tvarina?
What the hell are people who haven't really interacted with me, haven't watched my streams, or haven't studied my saves doing here, writing and commenting about me?
And one more thing: I'm not going to engage in a dialogue with people who have a lot of free time. I will extract from this topic what I consider worthy of attention; otherwise, please excuse me.
You can experiment in your free time. I'm sure you'll succeed.
The experimentation should be done by you, not us.
Added 2 minutes later Oelm
The dating mechanism is unclear to me, as the difference could be half a day, or even an hour; I am not a programmer.
What is the difference between? I already explained above how I understand this mechanism. Unfortunately, I wouldn't have figured it out myself; respect to Samurai))) And I experimented and made some conclusions.
This discussion is yet another confirmation of the principle: "It's not about not stealing, but about not getting caught!" Remember the saying: "Don't wave your fists after the fight!"? This is exactly that case.
In general, all of AK's arguments are a high concentration of lies and ignorance of the game's mechanics.
:eek: Oh, Oelm! Please, no more "blah-blah": 1. Even I can see: if it's not allowed, then it's not allowed! That is, it's completely not allowed, just like you can't be "slightly pregnant"! ;) 2. Analyzing save files (i.e., the current position, like in chess) is one thing, and "opening, playing, making a new save, etc." is something completely different.:smile29: In general, if a person is confident in their rightness, that they have done nothing wrong and have not broken any rules :smile36: - they immediately start defending their position, instead of suddenly developing "an inflammation of cunning"!
For now, your defense boils down to "Everyone else is a jerk, but I'm Viktor Tsoi."
Marmot, you are factually incorrect, which is why it's not worth expecting a dialogue.
The only meaningful point for me is that, based on the initial wording of the rules, it was clear that opening save files for analysis was prohibited. I understand, I will keep that in mind.
Added 5 minutes later
The experimentation should be done by you, not us.
No, Roman, the AK-shnikovs' stance is already intuitively clear to me. And it's clear that this issue will not play any role for them. If anyone is genuinely interested in the difference in save times, I will try to demonstrate it individually.
Let's start with linguistics. I don't remember the name(s) of the author(s) of the current rules revision. But it's quite obvious that they didn't have a sufficient command of the Russian language. So, the expression "opening saves, opening the map" is not quite Russian. Just say it out loud, feel it. You can open a brain if necessary, or a safe, but in Russian, you can't "open a map" - it sounds awkward even within the context of Newspeak. Therefore, I ask you to express your opinion on this topic below.
In Russian, there is also no word "save," and by "map," we mean not a playing card or a geographical map, but a file with the extension h3m. And you can open something that is hidden. Information about the opponent's actions and the location of objects on the map are also hidden, and they need to be revealed in the game. Why are you trying to make everyone look like fools when you yourself understand what "opening" means in HMM3? You were rightly told about D'Artagnan. Oelm
Secondly, let's get back to my point. I really can't figure out WHAT they are accusing me of.
It's a pity that you don't see WHAT they are accusing you of. In fact, what is known: 1. There was a fact of opening saves.2. At least, there was movement of 4 heroes. This is enough to remove you and send you far, far away without discussion. Why should we delve into the saves and find out the depth of the maphack and its influence on the course of the game? We are not interested in finding out what else happened and thinking about what could have happened. Oelm
Sema remembered, I have already apologized a hundred times for that incident, and I have never denied my guilt in it. Moreover, the situation with Tvarina is similar. I DON'T UNDERSTAND...
You are probably a bit crazy, since you don't see the connection? In both cases, it was a single-player game without an opponent, and that's what you are being accused of.
Scribe, it's déjà vu... There's evidence of cheating, and they're removing the cheater tag from this person and even trying to understand and forgive them:(
AK - no need to be whiners. Oelm is not a newbie on the World of Xeen, he knows all the nuances, and it's unpleasant to listen to his nonsense, not only here but even in the forum, where he usually reigned.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
No, Roman, the AK-shooter's line of reasoning is already intuitively clear to me. And it's clear that this won't play any role for them. If someone is really interested in the difference in save times, I'll try to demonstrate it individually.
Really? These are different articles))) Reviewing a save to remember something is a minor prank – maybe 15 days, possibly even a conditional sentence. But map hacking, especially with falsifying facts, will result in a longer punishment – half a year of general chat ban in WoT. And the most important thing in this situation is not to let yourself be "slandered," which you seem to have easily accepted.Oelm
And it's also important that I'm not willing to engage in a dialogue with people who have a lot of free time.
Judging by the lengthy posts, there is time after all.
So, I'm essentially waiting for answers to the following questions:
Therefore, I ask that you answer the poll as objectively as possible, outside the context of the current situation.
1. Who understood the phrase about "opening saves" (quoted in the first post) as a ban on loading and analyzing saves in single-player?
2. Who has loaded saves in this way and is not afraid to admit it openly?
This will determine what I write in my summary.
Perhaps I don't understand the new Russian jargon. If so, then that's how it should be.
Roman, and those who think the same way, are mistaken, and this is obvious to me. You really think that if it turns out that everything is fine with the saves, it will bother anyone?
1. There was a fact of opening saves. 2. At a minimum, there was movement of 4 heroes. This is enough to disqualify you and send you away without discussion. Why should we delve into the saves and determine the depth of the maphack and its impact on the game? We are not interested in looking for what else happened and thinking about what might have happened.
This thought is important. The impact of a possible maphack on the game is irrelevant. For me, the very essence of this body was to dissuade the community from thinking that some additional facts and dates should determine anything. Those who live like a player under the nickname Vlk777 with a cat and a turtle do not understand the circumstances of a person's life in other conditions. Maybe if someone finds a save with an open map on their laptop, for the current AK, this is a reason to accuse someone of using a maphack. For me, on the contrary, this is only a suspicion, because friends could have been visiting. A girl could have opened the save, or something else. Maybe a child wanted to play around. Then there will be an analysis. I have always maintained that the game should prove guilt, not attributes. And, frankly, there is a certain sporting interest in beating a cheater.
But this is only the first meaning. Now, let's read the phrase again carefully:
1. There was a fact of opening saves. 2. At a minimum, there was movement of 4 heroes. This is enough to disqualify you and send you away without discussion. Why should we delve into the saves and determine the depth of the maphack and its impact on the game? We are not interested in looking for what else happened and thinking about what might have happened.
In essence, this means only one thing. AK did not find anything significantly suspicious in the saves of my games, of which there are a sufficient number. Because it is "not interesting," of course, this is just a stylistic device. In reality, they were looking and didn't find anything. So, what kind of defamation is this?
In the eyes of the jackals? They already considered everyone who plays better than them to be cheaters.
In general, wait for the summary...
Indra, sorry for interrupting. You write well. Your thoughts are intelligent. You are a good player, an experienced one. Everything is great. But there is one problem. You just can't seem to understand that: Dirty_Player
In reality, what is known: 1. There was a fact of save file manipulation.2. At a minimum, there was movement with 4 heroes. This is already enough to disqualify you and ban you without further discussion. Why should we delve into the save files and determine the extent of maphacking and its impact on the game? We are not interested in searching for what else might have happened and speculating about what could have been.
What is highlighted in bold is something you are not allowed to do. It is a violation of the game rules. But for you, it is normal. Loading a save and moving additional heroes for some purpose. Why should the admins delve deeper? Are you waiting for a mega-analysis of your game? And why? If a specific fact of rule violation is known, and everything else is just speculation (the presence of 5 saves against the computer, the time on the saves does not match, a day has passed since you sent the saves, etc.).
Instead of continuing to beat around the bush, it would be better to admit that the rules were violated (you have essentially already admitted it) and that you cannot do this and will not do it again. That's all that is needed.
Oh, Oelm, for goodness sake, don't make me laugh :D He decided to play D'Artagnan after the fact.
numOne: and, as you know, our rules prohibit opening save files before the end of the game Oelm: yes, I know that Oelm: but based on the spirit of the game Oelm: I believe that helping a player on stream Oelm: is 5 times more important Oelm: than what I did
What more do you need?
Now you're writing all sorts of lengthy posts (which is very strange, for a busy person like you) trying to pretend to be clueless, accusing the AC of lying and something else. I won't even ask you for proof of these words, because what's the point of talking to a blabbermouth? Everyone already knows who you are and what your words are worth.
Just admit your guilt and repent, maybe you'll be forgiven.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
Recently, the Heroes III section on HeroesWorld has been resembling a wolf pack in the forest. This pack, endowed with various powers like moderation or a seat in the General Council, and mutually supporting their like-minded allies, is just waiting for the slightest excuse to deal with those who hold alternative opinions and are too weak to put up strong resistance. Soon they will tear apart all such people, gradually and one by one. Moreover, they resort to direct insults like this:numOne
I'm not even asking you for proof of these words, because why talk to a windbag, everyone already knows who you are and what your words are worth.
I won't quote how they insulted VLK in plain text — you can read it yourself — and it all went unpunished. The same VLK gets blacklisted for false accusations of cheating (when he didn't specifically name whom he was accusing), while Yavdet, an obvious like-minded ally, is easily forgiven for false accusations against a specific person with blatant save file forgery. Often many people (PReDS, Albertas, Lizard, and others) point out issues with the work of the General Council or some moderators, but the main "mouthpiece" of this pack completely ignores it:numOne
The General Council was created by the players themselves, through a general vote, and I don't recall anyone complaining about its work, except those who ended up in it
:rolleyes: And sooner or later this pack will also attack Albertas, Lizard, me, or others, given even the slightest excuse. But they will never dare to attack someone like PReDS, no matter how much he swears here and mocks them with various screenshots (remember the Alex affair? ;) ) because fathers like Stinger would stand up for PReDS.
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