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Tomorrow? How many years has the theory of physics been feeding us such "tomorrows"?

And Jews, of course, must be loved—for intoxicating and corrupting the youth, for flooding Russia with drug addiction, for destroying the army, industry, healthcare, education, agriculture, etc. For wanting to turn Russia into a raw materials appendage and shove the surviving population into reservations, just as they already did with the Indians in America. What else is left to do but love them for this?
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People invented god and people were the ones who killed in the name of god, because personally for me faith and religion are different things.
Returning to the quote from your post God cannot be the general designer of nature and even less so of this universe for one simple reason: he was invented by people

Repin's painting: "We've arrived!"

Factually, you are claiming that there is no God; factually, you are an atheist. I have nothing against atheists; it is their right. I won't even try to convince you otherwise.

People did not kill in the name of God, but by using God as a cover for their own selfish motives. Covering their selfish motives—power, glory, wealth—with God. Please see this difference.

Faith is complete conviction in something based on knowledge.
Religion is the eternal duty of a living being to God, in accordance with His laws for the material world in which we all live.

But you say that people invented God, therefore He does not exist. Then the question arises: Who created such a harmonious structure as the universe, as the earth? Who created the laws that physics describes? Who is this legislator?
When will those "people who invented God" invent (create) a harmonious structure like the universe or the earth? When will those "people who invented God" invent their own laws, rather than just describing them?

When will materialistic science—instead of killing life (with atomic bombs, viruses)—create even one small life? Even one small seed from which a tree will later grow?


If a concept exists, then the object described by that concept must also exist. If there were no God, such a concept would not exist in principle.

But God does not force Himself on anyone; if you don't want to believe, please do so.
Ancient Eastern wisdom:
"To him who desires oblivion, God grants oblivion".

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Vaccines are completely safe

The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) was established by Congress in accordance with the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986. This system receives about 11000 reports annually regarding serious complications from vaccinations, which include between one hundred and two hundred deaths, and several times more cases of lifelong disability [1]. VAERS officials report that 15% of complication cases are "serious" (ambulance transport, hospitalization, life-threatening cases, lifelong disability, death). Independent analysis of reports received by VAERS showed that up to 50% of the known cases of complications from the hepatitis B vaccine are "serious" [2]. While this figure is alarming in itself, it is only the "tip of the iceberg." According to FDA estimates, reports are filed for only 1% of serious vaccination complications [3] [4], and the CDC admits that only about 10% of such cases are reported [5]. In fact, Congress heard testimony that medical students are advised not to report suspected complication cases [6].

The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC, a grassroots organization created by parents of children injured or killed by vaccines) conducted its own investigations [7]. It reported: "In New York, only one out of 40 healthcare facilities confirmed that they report deaths or illnesses following vaccination." In other words, 97.5% of vaccine-related deaths and disabilities remain hidden. We will not delve into a discussion of medical ethics (federal law requires doctors to report cases of serious complications [8]), but these data suggest that the actual number of deaths and serious injuries from vaccinations each year could be 10-100 times higher than the reported amount.

As for pertussis, the number of vaccine-related deaths overshadows the number of deaths from the disease, which according to CDC data has been about 10 cases annually for many years and only 8 in 1993, when there was one of the last peaks of incidence (pertussis comes in cycles of 3-4 years; why—no one knows, but vaccination levels do not have such cycles). Given the factor of incomplete reporting, the vaccine could be 100 times more lethal than the disease. Some argue that this is a necessary price to prevent the return of the disease, which could be more lethal than the vaccine. But if we take into account the fact that most diseases declined in the 20th century before the widespread use of vaccination (pertussis mortality decreased by 79% before vaccinations), and that the incidence rate remained practically unchanged after mass immunization began, then today's same accidents from vaccines can hardly be reasonably considered an inevitable sacrifice for the benefit of a disease-free society.

Unfortunately, the story of vaccine-related deaths does not end there. Studies in different countries have shown that vaccination is a cause of SIDS [9] [10] (SIDS is "Sudden Infant Death Syndrome," an "all-encompassing" diagnosis given when no specific cause of death is known; in the USA, it is estimated at 5000 - 10000 cases per year).

One study showed that SIDS frequency peaks in the US occur at 2 and 4 months of age, exactly when the first two scheduled vaccinations are given [11]; another found a pronounced correlation within three weeks after immunization. Yet another study showed that annually in the US, 3000 children die within 4 days after vaccination (surprisingly, the authors do not report a link between SIDS and vaccines); other researchers' works conclude that at least half of SIDS cases are caused by vaccinations [12].

Initial studies suggesting a causal link between SIDS and vaccines were quickly followed by others funded by vaccine manufacturers, which concluded there was no link; one claimed that the frequency of SIDS in vaccinated infants was slightly lower. However, many of these studies were questioned by others showing that results were erroneously altered in favor of vaccinations due to "confusion" [13]. At best, we have contradictory evidence. Should we not err on the side of caution? Should any credible correlation between vaccines and infant deaths not be a reason for thorough, large-scale control of the vaccination that took place in all SIDS cases?

In the mid-70s, Japan raised the vaccination age from 2 months to 2 years, and their SIDS frequency dropped sharply [14]; they moved from an infant mortality rate of 17 to first place in the world (i.e., Japan had the lowest infant mortality when infants were not immunized). In England, the vaccination level was temporarily reduced to about 30% around the same time, following media reports of vaccine-related brain damage. Infant mortality dropped significantly for about 2 years, then rose again in close correlation with the increased immunization rate in the late 1970s. Despite these facts, the US medical community took a position of denial. Coroners are not interested in the vaccination status of SIDS victims, and unsuspecting families continue to pay a high price, unaware of the dangers and without the right to make a conscious choice.
Admissions from the FDA and CDC about insufficient reporting of complications suggest that the total number of complications actually occurring annually could be between 100,000 and one million (of which "serious" ones account for about 20%). This is emphasized by a study showing that 1 out of 175 children who received the full course of DPT vaccinations had "strong reactions" [15], and a doctor's report for lawyers claiming that 1 out of 300 DPT vaccinations leads to seizures [16].

In fact, England observed a drop in pertussis mortality when the vaccination level decreased to 30% in the mid-70s. A study on the effectiveness and toxicity of the pertussis vaccine worldwide, conducted by Swedish epidemiologist B. Trollfors, found that "pertussis-related mortality is now very low in industrial countries, with no difference detected when comparing countries with high, low, and zero immunization levels." He also found that England, Wales, and West Germany in 1970, when the immunization level was high, had higher pertussis mortality than in the second half of the 1980s, when this level had decreased [17].

Vaccination costs us not only the lives and health of our children. The US federal same government vaccine injury compensation program (NVICP) has paid more than 1.2 billion dollars since 1988 to parents of children injured or killed by vaccinations [18], using money obtained from taxes paid by vaccine recipients. Meanwhile, pharmaceutical companies have a captured market: vaccinations are legally mandatory in all 50 US states (although in most cases they can be legally avoided, see Myth #9), even though these companies themselves are "immunized" from liability for the consequences of their products' use. Moreover, they are allowed to use "gag" clauses in legal agreements regarding vaccine harm as a leverage tool to prevent the public dissemination of information about the dangers of vaccination. Such agreements are obviously unethical; they force a dissenting American public to pay compensation for damage caused by vaccine manufacturers while simultaneously trying to ensure that same public remains unaware of the dangers of their products. This provision also reduces any incentives that might drive manufacturers to release safer vaccines (after all, when a vaccine causes death or health damage, they do not have to pay for it; they continue to receive their profit).

It is important to note that insurance companies (which conduct the best research on compensation) refuse to cover post-vaccination complications. It is clear that profit determines the positions of both pharmaceutical and insurance companies.
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Upon my word, Aritupta has started writing sentences with capital letters, occasionally using commas, and checking the text in Word.
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Well, I'll be damned, Aritupta has started writing sentences with capital letters, occasionally using commas, and checking his text in Word.

I'm glad I managed to bring someone some pleasure at least in some way :)
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Power of the Saints.
Answers to questions about the trial of God.
1. What is this trial?
The trial of God was carried out according to His will and aims to restore justice and order based on the laws of God.
Who doesn't know that the world is filled with evil, injustice, lawlessness, disasters, and many other troubles? Responsibility for the disasters has been placed by God on people, Satan, demons, and devils, who are guilty of crimes against God's law and have earned punishment through their actions. But did God Himself not participate in creating this world and bringing it to such a disastrous state? And if He did participate*, then why shouldn't He bear His share of the guilt? That is what the trial process was about. *(He openly declares in His word that He is a participant, and often the organizer, of what happens on earth (Amos 3:6)).
The trial of God is a sign of the coming time of judgment, a time of justice, a time of correction, a time when the righteous will not be oppressed, and all the guilty will receive just punishment. This is the time of which it is said: "And I will bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, and there I will plead with you face to face. Just as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I will plead with you, says the Lord God" (Ezekiel 20:35,36).

2. For what reasons was this trial carried out?
There are several main reasons.
1. God was found guilty of violating the law which He Himself established for observance. He Himself admitted His guilt and desired that this trial be carried out.
2. The trial was carried out primarily to show how unfeignedly and impartially all righteousness should be fulfilled and all judgment rendered, so that those wishing to do righteousness would henceforth be impartial in matters of the law, neither before God nor before earthly authorities, because any partiality harms God's work and the triumph of truth on earth.
3. The time has come for changing many laws of the universe that have been in effect until now. Lawful change requires lawful grounds. The trial that has been conducted provides sufficient lawful grounds for the abolition or amendment of all unjust and imperfect laws.
4. The crimes discovered against Him turned out to be such for which other inhabitants of the universe have previously been and are still subjected to God's judgment and very severe punishments. It was God who established the laws by which others are condemned. Therefore, after many have already suffered as a result of these laws, answering to God for their crimes, it would be unjust to abolish them solely to prevent the Lawgiver, caught in transgression, from suffering. After condemning others, it is just and lawful for Him to condemn Himself by the same laws, which He desired to do by entrusting me with the trial process. It is just and right that there should be one law for all. It is just, right, and lawful, including for God, to do what you compel others to do; He Himself taught this (Matthew 7:12).
5. If, after the circumstances were revealed, a trial of God had not been conducted, then His judgment, proclaimed for those disobedient to God's word (John 12:31), would have turned from justice into a hypocritical display of power and authority over those who are inherently weaker than He is.
6. The trial of God must show everyone the power of the laws He established and serve as clear proof that no one has the right to violate them.
7. I had no choice after I became convinced that God indeed bore a significant portion of the guilt for all the crimes and lawlessness committed on earth. It was necessary either to act according to God's law, established for all, or to commit certain violations of the law, showing partiality to God in His affairs. Partiality and flattery are unacceptable to me. No matter before whom I stand, no matter with whom I speak, I strive to speak the truth as it is. He Himself said: "17You shall commit no sin, and there shall be no flattery in your mouth" (Seventh Epistle to John).
8. When I came to God, He said to me: "ask what you will, and I will give it to you." I asked that falsehood cease to dominate and that everything be arranged according to truth, according to just laws. He undertook to fulfill this. The trial is part of the fulfillment of His promise.

3. What is God guilty of?
Many matters have been revealed in which God bears guilt. I will name only a few main violations committed by God.
1. Over the several thousand years of human history, the Lord has never given people a clear law that would allow those who desire it to clearly see their spiritual state, the ways to correct their lawlessness, and the real consequences of their wrong actions. Moreover, He deliberately and repeatedly gave rather vague formulations or concealed certain information (3 Ezra 14:3-6; Mark 4:11).
The existing law of God has allowed for highly ambiguous interpretation, which has been the cause of the emergence of many apostate confessions, each presenting God's law as it suits them, leading people into temptation, teaching what they ought not.
2. On earth, favorable conditions for teaching those who desire to learn God's laws have still not been created. The conditions that have been created (the structure of life in human society, the laws governing nature) contribute to, and more often simply push, a person to violate God's laws.
The cost of these "shortcomings" is billions of people who lived in misery on earth, not knowing how to escape it, and who answer after death in hell for violating God's law, which they often did not even know (ignorance of God's law does not absolve responsibility, but only lessens it (Luke 12:47,48)).
3. God treats His creations with excessive cruelty. An example of such treatment is His words: "Let the multitude perish that was born in vain, and let My grape and My planting, which I have raised with great labor, be preserved" (3 Ezra 9:22). Another example is the story of Job. His entire family and he himself suffered, as the book of Job indicates, because God wanted to prove something to Satan.
4. The injustice of this world is obvious and needs no proof. Some are born into believing families, others into pagan families, and still others into tribes of cannibals, while special rewards are promised by God for a righteous life lived specifically on earth. It is not difficult to notice that many people from birth simply have no chance of receiving a reward from God for their lives, only because they were born into the wrong family, meaning the ungodliness of their parents lies as a curse upon them. Not only will they not receive a reward, but in the future they will have to answer for the deeds done in life, and a person's life is also heavily dependent on the family into which he was born. The fairness of such a state of affairs raises serious doubts, especially since everyone must answer to God for their crimes, regardless of living conditions and circumstances of birth. God, as the Creator, also bears responsibility for the injustice of the created world.
5. God consciously arranged many things so that the admitted injustice would be corrected in the future. For example: many righteous are promised a gracious life in the future. Likewise, the lawless are promised full punishment for their lawlessness in the future (Daniel 12:2,3; Matthew 25:31-46).
This fact testifies: firstly, to the admitted injustice (there is no need to correct what was already done correctly); secondly, that God deliberately went along with this, taking upon Himself the obligation to correct the injustice in the future. Therefore, He bears responsibility both for the admitted injustice and for restoring order and compensating the victims for the damage.
6. God consciously consented to creating the world as it became after humanity's apostasy from God, that is, full of cruelty, violence, and deceit. From the beginning, He planned both calamities, suffering, and punishment for the disobedient, as well as death for Jesus and many other servants of God. It was within His power to establish other, gentler rules and laws of the universe, but He deliberately made the laws cruel and often merciless towards His creations.
For brevity, only the main matters in which God's guilt has been found are listed; there is much else besides.

4. Why was God's silence counted as agreement during the trial process?
1. This was done for specific, peculiar reasons; for example, at that time He did not wish to speak openly before everyone, and under the circumstances, the option of considering silence as a sign of agreement was the most acceptable and demonstrative for all participants in the process.
2. This option was preliminarily discussed with God, and He gave His consent to it.
3. If I am deceiving and leading others astray, He can openly rebuke me for lying in a way visible to everyone, thereby voiding my judgment and proving Himself right. Until this happens, the trial is considered lawful, and the verdict is in force.

5. Is this trial lawful?
The trial is based on the laws of God; anyone wishing to can verify this, of course after first understanding God's laws. Everything that does not transgress God's laws is lawful and right.
6. Is this trial pleasing to God?
All truth and righteousness should be pleasing to God. If only because one of Jesus' names is Truth (John 14:6).
7. Is this trial not blasphemy against God?
Blasphemy against God is any falsehood about God and His laws. Any truth about God cannot be blasphemy against Him; moreover, according to His original plans, it should serve for His glory. The reasoning is simple: if He did not want anyone to know about His deeds, He could have refrained from doing them; this is entirely possible for One who calls Himself Almighty (Genesis 35:11); and if He did them, especially if He did them openly, it means He was prepared that these deeds would be investigated and evaluated by someone.
8. Do I honor God?
I honor God as is proper. He Himself testifies to this: "7You have served well and have prepared for yourself a higher degree and great boldness in faith in Christ Jesus" (Sixth Epistle to John). And the trial, contrary to the opinion of people who do not understand God's laws and do not know God, will serve more for His glory than for His shame. God's high-quality and full execution of a just verdict will remove all the unrighteous accusations that many have been trying to bring against Him for millennia.
If He manifested glory in the triumph of His laws over others, it is entirely just that the law should triumph just as gloriously in His own case.
9. Can a mortal man judge God, change His decisions?
1. Even in former times, a mortal man could, under certain circumstances, change the will and decisions of God, and therefore change His judgment by his own judgment. There are examples of this in Scripture: (Exodus 32:9-14; 2 Kings 4:33-35). Why should something similar not happen now, especially if it fulfills God's will?
2. The book of Job describes a not unsuccessful attempt by a man to contend with God. I will cite some excerpts from Job's speech.
Job 9:22-24
It is all the same; therefore I said, He destroys the blameless and the wicked. If the scourge slays suddenly, He mocks the despair of the innocent. The earth is given into the hand of the wicked; He covers the faces of its judges. If it is not He, then who is it?
Job 9:32
Behold, I have started a lawsuit; I know that I will be in the right. Who is able to dispute with me? For I will soon fall silent and expire.
As a result, Job achieved a meeting with God, and despite retracting his words, he received confirmation from the Lord that he had spoken more justly than those who tried to defend God: "And it came to pass after the Lord had spoken these words to Job, the Lord said to Eliphaz the Temanite: My wrath is kindled against you and against your two friends, because you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has" (Job 42:7).
This fact proves that a righteous judgment is more pleasing to God than a partial justification of His deeds.
3. Adam, having committed a crime, was recognized as one of the gods whom God had to reckon with (Genesis 3:22-24). How much more should people, cleansed from all lawlessness, be accepted by the Father as gods, with all the rights due to gods. By this I mean that if the Father has chosen me and considered me worthy of His company, He has taken upon Himself a certain obligation to listen to my words.
Through Scripture, the Lord offers everyone to be cleansed, to become His son and partaker of great blessings. People themselves refuse this, listening to the lies of Satan and his minions, mired in sins and lawlessness, while asserting that it is impossible to be freed from sin, that one thing is impossible, another is impossible. God said: "...truly I say to you, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you..." (Matthew 17:20). My example is a confirmation of the truth of God's words—on the path of faith I have already done many things that were previously considered impossible (including by me).
If you too wish to reach God—carefully examine and choose whom you listen to and whom you serve, so that you may not be put to shame on the day of visitation.
4. I have been promised by God immortality, the highest "degree and great boldness in faith in Christ Jesus," so I am far from an ordinary mortal and have the power to do deeds beyond the strength of ordinary people. The trial of God is one such deed.
My works are also visible proof of my power. First, my works are written according to God's will and are confirmed by God, to which He Himself is witness: "2Write to the fathers, that they may know Him who is from the beginning. Write to the young men, that they may overcome the evil one. Write to the children, that they may know the Father. 3Write to everyone, you, man, being righteous and not desiring the destruction of many, do not keep My words a secret. 4Explain to everyone how to walk by the Spirit, so as not to fulfill the lusts of the flesh, 5for the Spirit of the Lord rests upon you, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and piety. 6Your food will not cause your brothers to stumble, for you will do nothing to cause your brothers to stumble" (Sixth Epistle to John). Second, they are clearly unlike the works of ordinary mortals, who are not privy to the secrets of existence, who are in the darkness of delusion and care primarily for their own gain.
5. It is God's will: that all people stop evading and hiding from Him, that they cease their futile attempts to cover their shame with all manner of indecency, and finally stand in righteous judgment with Him, because a righteous judgment on earth inevitably leads to positive results in correction, cleansing, obtaining forgiveness and mercy from God. He Himself in His word offers to stand in judgment and contend with Him.
Isaiah 43:25,26
I, even I, am He who blots out your transgressions for My own sake, and I will not remember your sins. Put Me in remembrance; let us contend together; state your cause, that you may be justified.
Jeremiah 2:8,9
The priests did not say, "Where is the Lord?" And those who handle the law did not know Me; the shepherds transgressed against Me, and the prophets prophesied by Baal and walked after things that do not profit. Therefore I will yet contend with you, says the Lord, and with your children's children I will contend.
Jeremiah 2:35
...you say, "Because I am innocent, surely His anger will turn from me." Behold, I will contend with you because you say, "I have not sinned."
Jeremiah 25:31
A noise will come to the ends of the earth, for the Lord has a controversy with the nations; He will enter into judgment with all flesh; the wicked He will give to the sword, says the Lord.
Ezekiel 20:35,36
And I will bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, and there I will plead with you face to face. Just as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I will plead with you, says the Lord God.
Thus, the Lord desires that every person stand in judgment before God, and if anyone does not wish to do so of his own will—he will be brought to judgment by the strength and power of God.
I am the first among people who has gone through the trial with God to the end and won. The final result of the trial between God and me is the work "The Trial is Underway." In this case, the words of His promise were fulfilled: "No weapon that is formed against you will prosper; and every tongue that accuses you in judgment you will condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their vindication is from Me, says the Lord" (Isaiah 54:17).
A person who stands in judgment and conscientiously fulfills God's will for his own cleansing will, sooner or later, inevitably receive justification from the Lord. I will say more: if one is not guilty of shedding human blood, he has significant chances, through his obedience and diligence, to become a victor in the trial process with God. Especially now, when the work "The Path to Being Born Again - The Only Way to God" clearly describes the requirements that must be met to avoid significant loss in the trial process.
6. God is in a rather great dependence on man.
A person living on earth has certain advantages over God. For example: a person is seen by other people, can be clearly heard by them, they cannot say about him: "he does not exist"; one who lives in the flesh can defend his beliefs in a way evident to others, and so on. One person acting according to God's laws can do more than thousands and millions of apostates from God. I will say more: to my great surprise, it turned out that God can act in true power on earth only through His true servants, and this means that God can also receive glory and respect among people only with the help of His servants, and this means that God is quite strongly dependent on man and must take into account the words and actions of people in His own actions.
Man is relatively free from these conditions and can act as he wishes, and if he acts according to God's will, coordinating his actions with Him—he will be able to achieve very much in God's work and even become like God in all things. And this is God's will, that people become like Him in all things. Only those who fulfill this condition are adopted by God and are children of God.
Moreover, God Himself promised to serve the one who will faithfully do His will (Luke 12:37). For Him, the time has come to fulfill His promises, since He has recognized me as worthy of this honor.
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...I'm not against faith; faith itself is a useful thing, as long as it isn't distorted by various sectarian movements and doesn't go beyond the bounds of normal human ethics. Believing or not believing is everyone's right. For me, faith is more of a state of mind, faith in the triumph of justice, faith in honor, dignity, kindness, and compassion. Faith, in the good sense of the word, helps...

"...faith is the most powerful force in the world. Everyone potentially possesses it, but in reality, only a few do. It seems so simple: just believe in something. For example, in God...
For faith to transition from a potential state to an actual one, it needs to be trained every day... The brain doesn't know the difference between fantasy and reality. It's also devoid of a sense of humor and doesn't understand jokes. What you truly think is what you'll get. If... you don't believe..., you're thereby planting vivid images of doubt in your brain. And then it rejects your... goal."
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"Faith" is not a very suitable term in this context. It usually implies blind faith in something. You may not know the laws of physics, but you can believe that these laws exist somewhere and work in practice. Such faith does not give a person anything. But once you understand these laws, you can perform miracles. Awareness is the most powerful force in the world. You can become aware of things through logic, as modern science does. But this is by no means the only way. Moreover, many things cannot be understood solely through logic. Logic itself is just an abstraction invented by humans to understand what is true and what is false. But sooner or later, to understand deeper things, you will have to go beyond its limits. You can believe in God, but not be aware of what God is, i.e., believe that there is such a concept as God, but what this concept means will still remain a mystery to you. There is no benefit in this. But when the time comes and you realize that we are all part of a single whole, part of God, that everything around us is God and only God, that there is nothing but God, He is everywhere, we are in Him, and He is in us, then you will feel it yourself. Such things are difficult to describe in words, because they do not lend themselves to logic; they can only be realized by oneself. But to blindly believe in what is written in a book that is two thousand years old, which has been rewritten and changed a thousand times by everyone who could, is truly foolish. Although, of course, the Bible still contains many wise thoughts, but it is quite difficult to separate them from the rest of the nonsense that is written there.
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A trial of God!
You couldn't come up with anything funnier :) A trial of the Father, of the Mother, in gratitude for what they have done for us.

This is roughly the same as if children sued their parents and accused them of their shortcomings, problems, and suffering.

This entire "trial of God" is a consequence of not knowing or not wanting to know the law of karma - the law of cause and effect, the law of justice, the law of retribution.

The law of karma states that the present is a consequence of the past and the cause of the future. Karma is longer than one lifetime.

The cause of all our suffering, problems, anxieties, the cause of everything that happens to us - is ourselves, the cause of all our suffering is the sinful activity committed by us in the past, in this life, and in past lives.

Sacred scriptures are the rules of the road for life.

Sacred scriptures - the Bible, the Quran, Vedic literature, Buddhist sutras, etc. - are instructions on how to interact with the surrounding reality. These instructions describe all the laws of God for the material world.

Our task is simply to take and read them, and not violate these laws.
But we don't want to read about the fact that there are laws, and naturally, due to simple ignorance, we violate these laws, or we consciously violate these laws because we do not want to submit to God and his laws - and then, when we receive the deserved, fair punishment for the violation, we even manage to blame God for the suffering we have honestly earned.
That is, to remove responsibility for our own actions.

Good luck in your difficult task - in the "trial of God" ;-)
I wonder how you will enforce the verdict?

Zadornov told that in one of the states of the USA, they sued God for the increase in the number of tornadoes. The court accepted the application because, according to the law, it could not refuse. God did not appear at the hearing, as a result of which he was declared wanted by them. :)

Leolopus, how would you react if your own children sued you?

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God is in the heart of every living being, and our entire life depends on him by 100%. A living being - the soul - can only desire and regret its desires. All our desires are realized by God, in accordance with our piety, through various types of energies.

According to the law of karma, we must receive suffering for the crimes committed in the past, for sinful acts (sin is a conscious violation of God's laws for the material world).

But we receive only 1/10 of all the suffering that we have earned, deserved. And in gratitude for all this, we sue the Father, the Mother.

All this is a consequence of not wanting to admit that I am to blame for my problems and suffering that I receive. This is irresponsibility. This is a desire to shift, to remove responsibility for the actions I committed.

To Ihtiandr: No, faith is not something abstract and blind.

Faith is complete conviction in something based on knowledge.

There is no talk of blind faith in the sacred scriptures. On the contrary, it says that you need to study, analyze, and test in practice.
It also says that all the statements, instructions from the sacred scriptures should be applied in your life in accordance with the place, time, and circumstances.
Дурман мирской любви сильнее яда кобры, он глупым может сделать мудреца и увести от цели благородной и дух и волю война храбреца.
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People killed not in the name of God, but by hiding behind God in the name of their own selfish motives. Hiding their selfish motives—power, glory, wealth—behind God. Please see the difference.
RELIGIOUS WARS IN FRANCE (1562-1598)
Civil wars in France between the Catholics, who constituted the majority of the population, and the Protestant minority, who practiced Calvinism and called themselves Huguenots.
The synod of the Presbyterian church (Huguenots) was established in France in 1559 and gained many followers among all classes of the population. The royal authority attempted to restore Catholicism throughout the country, but in the first war of 1562-1563, it failed to crush the Huguenots.
Among the Huguenots were many wealthy merchants and bankers who were able to hire significant detachments of professional soldiers from among their Swiss coreligionists. The Huguenots were supported by many aristocrats, in particular, Prince Louis de Condé, Admiral Gaspard de Coligny, and King Henry of Navarre. The radical Catholic party was led by the family of the Dukes of Lorraine, the Guises, who sought both to completely expel the Huguenots from France and to limit the power of the king. There was also the party of "politiques," or moderate Catholics. They advocated for the preservation of Catholicism as the dominant religion and the granting of freedom of worship to the Huguenots. In a number of cases, they sided with the Huguenots against the Guises.
In 1563, Duke François de Guise won a victory at Dreux, but was soon killed by an assassin sent by the Huguenots. The Huguenot army also won victories in the wars of 1567-1568 and 1568-1570. These wars were characterized by incredible cruelty on both sides; prisoners were generally not taken, and sometimes entire villages were slaughtered if their residents adhered to a different religion.
The fourth war began in 1572 after the Catholics organized a massacre of Huguenots on August 24, 1572, on Saint Bartholomew's Day, who had gathered in Paris for the wedding of Henry, King of Navarre, and Princess Marguerite de Valois. More than 9 thousand people were killed, including Coligny and many other Huguenot leaders. A truce was reached in 1573, but hostilities resumed in 1574, though they brought no decisive victory to either side.
In 1576, a royal edict was issued proclaiming freedom of worship throughout France, with the exception of Paris. During a new war in 1577, inspired by the Catholic League created by the Guises, the edict was confirmed, but King Henry III was unable to implement it. Another war broke out in 1580, which had no decisive consequences. But in 1585, when Henry of Navarre claimed the French throne, the bloody War of the Three Henrys began—Henry III, Henry of Navarre, and Henry, the third Duke de Guise.
Henry of Navarre emerged victorious, despite the fact that his opponents enjoyed the military support of Spain. He defeated Henry III at Coutras in 1587. Henry III was forced to confirm freedom of worship. Then the Guises raised a rebellion in Paris in 1588 and expelled the king from there. Henry made concessions to the leaders of the Catholic League and declared support for the exclusive rights of Catholics, but upon returning to Paris, he organized the murder of Henry de Guise and his brother, Cardinal Louis de Guise. Then, having secured the support of Henry of Navarre, who was declared heir to the throne, Henry III suppressed the uprisings of the League, but in 1589, he was killed by a fanatic monk, Jacques Clément.
He was succeeded by Henry of Navarre, who became Henry IV—the first king of France from the Bourbon dynasty. However, the Catholic League, which enjoyed particularly strong support among the population of Paris, refused to recognize him as king. Henry defeated the League's troops at Arques in 1589 and at Ivry in 1590, but could not capture Paris until 1594. To enter the capital of France, he had to return to the fold of the Catholic Church. In this connection, Henry is credited with the winged phrase: "Paris is well worth a mass!"
The religious wars were brought to a close in 1598 by the peace treaty of Henry IV with France at Vervins, according to which Spain renounced its support for the Catholic League. In the same year, Henry issued the Edict of Nantes, which guaranteed freedom of worship and recognized the dominance of Protestantism in 200 cities, where Huguenots were given the right to build fortifications. Formally, it can be considered that the Huguenots won the religious wars, but in reality, this victory proved illusory. The vast majority of the population of France remained loyal to Catholicism and sympathized with the ideas of the League. The wealth of Huguenot merchants became an object of desire for both the royal treasury and the Catholic aristocracy. Many feudatories owed significant sums to Huguenot bankers.
In 1621, a rebellion broke out against the introduction of the Catholic religion in Béarn, which had previously been recognized as a Huguenot city. After suppressing it in 1622, the de facto ruler of France, Cardinal Richelieu, deprived the Huguenots of the right to have their own fortresses, with the exception of La Rochelle and Montauban. A new Huguenot rebellion in 1625 led to the capture of La Rochelle by royal troops in 1628 and to the treaty of 1629, which stripped the Huguenots of all political influence in the country. In 1685, King Louis XIV revoked the Edict of Nantes, leaving the Huguenots with a choice: either convert to Catholicism or leave their homeland. Hundreds of thousands of Frenchmen chose emigration: settling in Germany, Holland, Switzerland, England, and overseas colonies, particularly in North America and South Africa.
This is only a small fraction of the religious wars, but in some ways you are right—the church, the rampart of religion, was in those times an apparatus of violence; the church was power over people, and religion and god were a screen covering the true earthly and far from noble desires of certain groups of people. Therefore, I confirm my words once again: God and religion were invented by people as a tool of power; this does not apply to faith, for faith can be in something other than a god.
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Leolopus, I'm curious how you would react if your own children sued you?
I strongly recommend watching this film again: http://my-hit.ru/film/14324/online. It's true that it's about the Jews, whom you don't seem to like, but they are essentially the children of their god, judging their god. However, any nation could be in their place, and the accusations would still be the same. Watching this film made a much greater impression on me than possibly could millions of your empty posts. And it's not even about the fact that in the finale of this film, the Jews found God guilty of violating the covenant, but about what and how people say in the two hours before their expected death. There is much to think about, including on the topic of our dialogue.
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Tomorrow? How many years has theoretical physics been feeding us with such promises?
Yes, Leopoldus said something silly back then. There are things that physics cannot yet explain sufficiently, but excuse me, this is not like bubbles in boiling water, the nature of which is known to any schoolchild, unless they are a complete failure, of course.
Although, of course, there are still many wise thoughts in the Bible, but it is quite difficult to separate them from the rest of the nonsense that is written there.
I'll add my two cents: people sometimes superficially judge the Bible, especially when it comes to the Old Testament. In reality, it is difficult (I would say, impossible) to find anything nonsensical there if you delve into each phrase, understand its deep meaning, and perhaps even work on the Greek version, as it is sometimes easier to understand than the translation into Russian. The main thing is not to take everything literally.
 

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Therefore, I reiterate my words: God and religion were invented by people as a tool of power; this does not relate to faith, as faith can be directed not only towards God.

If a concept exists, then there must also be an object that this concept describes. If God did not exist, then the concept of God would not exist either.

Atheism is one of the forms of perceiving God, through its denial. If God did not exist, there would be nothing to deny.

If there is no God, then there are no laws of God, which means you can do anything you want!
Denying the existence of God gives the illusion of permissiveness, the illusion of the absence of punishment in the future for the actions I commit in the present.

There are laws of nature, all of them are described in sacred scriptures long before physics and other sciences began to study them. The question arises: who created these laws, who is this Lawgiver?

Who then created this universe, this sun, this earth, these complex laws that even the most perfect physics cannot fully understand to this day?

It is impossible to invent anything that does not exist in the universe, in space, in other dimensions, in God.

Try to invent something that does not exist right now, and even based on something that does not exist!
Let's try to invent something, at least one example.

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Yes, Leolopus said something nonsensical back then; there are things that physics cannot yet explain sufficiently, but excuse me, these are not bubbles of steam in boiling water, the nature of which is known to any schoolchild, unless he is a complete failure, of course.

The point is that modern physics cannot explain the bubbles of steam in boiling water. According to the theory of physics, this should not happen, but it does.

Can you explain it? Please explain.
Дурман мирской любви сильнее яда кобры, он глупым может сделать мудреца и увести от цели благородной и дух и волю война храбреца.
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Yes, Leopold said something silly back then. There are things that physics cannot yet fully explain, but excuse me, it's not like bubbles in boiling water, the nature of which is known to any schoolchild, unless they are a complete failure, of course.
What exactly is the nonsense, or rather, I prefer not to talk nonsense. As for physics, everything I said about it is that what it cannot explain today, it will explain tomorrow, because today it has already explained what yesterday was considered science fiction. Everything has its time.
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"If a concept exists, then there must also be an object that is described by that concept. If God did not exist, then the concept of God would not exist either."

This is an absolutely incorrect and illogical thought.

If the roof is wet, it doesn't necessarily mean it's raining.
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Vaccines are very effective...

Medical literature contains a surprising number of studies documenting the ineffectiveness of vaccines. Outbreaks of measles, mumps, smallpox, polio, and Haemophilus influenzae occurred in vaccinated populations [19] [20] [21] [22] [23]. In 1989, the CDC reported: "Among school-aged children, outbreaks of [measles] occurred in schools with vaccination rates of over 98 percent" [24]. "They occurred in all regions of the country, including areas where measles had not been reported for years" [25]. The CDC even reports an outbreak of measles in a population that was, according to records, 100 percent vaccinated [26]. A study of this phenomenon concludes: "the apparent paradox is that when measles immunization rates in a population reach a high level, measles becomes a disease of the vaccinated" [27]. A more recent study found that measles vaccination "causes immune suppression, contributing to increased susceptibility to other infections" [28]. These studies suggest that the goal of complete "immunization" is actually counterproductive, and this view is underscored by cases where epidemics followed the complete immunization of entire countries. Japan experienced annual increases in smallpox cases following the introduction of mandatory vaccinations in 1872. By 1892, there were 29,979 deaths, all of whom had been vaccinated [29]. In the early 1900s, the Philippines experienced its worst smallpox epidemic after 8 million people received 24.5 million doses of vaccine (a 95% rate was achieved); as a result, the death rate quadrupled [30]. Before the first English law on mandatory vaccination, passed in 1853, the highest death rate in two years was about 2,000; in 1870-1871, England and Wales had over 23,000 deaths from smallpox [31]. In 1989, the state of Oman experienced a widespread outbreak of polio 6 months after achieving complete vaccination [32]. In the United States, in 1986, 90% of the 1,300 cases of whooping cough in Kansas were "properly vaccinated" [33]. 72% of those who contracted whooping cough during an outbreak in Chicago in 1993 had been vaccinated
Дурман мирской любви сильнее яда кобры, он глупым может сделать мудреца и увести от цели благородной и дух и волю война храбреца.
"Неизвестная история человечества. Запрещенная археология (с иллюстрациями), Майкл Кремо, Ричард Томпсон,479с,1.46 Мб.
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What's the actual problem? I'd rather not talk nonsense.
No, all of this is correct, but there was nothing inexplicable in Ariputra's post, only a distortion of facts, so such an excuse is not suitable for him. If he had started talking about black holes or string theory, then there would have been something to discuss.
 

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