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Vigo deserves to be on the Blacklist
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Vigo was unfairly added to the Blacklist and should be removed from it
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Wicc
Samurai? :smile10:
No, Yur, we always have direct conversations! If he wants to say something, he will definitely write it himself! )))
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

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I think everything is clear here. There are no specific questions from the prosecution. Why are you all harassing him? It's obvious he's not guilty. They want to discredit the person.

It's impossible to discredit a Black person.
ariputra
there are "clear" and "transparent" - indirect evidence:

in this way, you can frame any undesirable person by appealing to the fact that there is no 100% proof of save file tampering, therefore there is no need for it. But there are suspicions, which means he may be guilty (because he could have done it) - it is difficult to argue with this, but how does the fact that a person has the opportunity to commit a crime imply that he committed it?

as for replacing one player with another, the evidence is even more indirect, but it is difficult to deny their logic, this must be acknowledged.
If a person wins against top players in Tournaments, then his game in the season should not differ very much, although this is also a controversial issue due to the fact that a person may have a different attitude towards tournament and seasonal games.

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as proof of the substitution, Pit for LM refers, for example, to linguistic analysis of the texts of the reports! And who did this analysis? Pit for LM himself?

In order to accept this argument, I personally need a photograph or the document itself - an official conclusion from a professional linguist, is there such a photograph?
What kind of nonsense is this?:smile35: I repeat that there will be no 100% proof here, there never will be, study the topic with links (not like GutenTak), what impression will you have?
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Points deducted for racism.
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Vigo, thank you for the topic! You stirred up this swamp on a Friday :) Regarding the skill points – Vigo mentioned the shot of vodka, and I know he sometimes plays a little tipsy – so his skill level will be different compared to tournaments. By the way, many also accused Eddie and Vitalik – but those accusations eventually faded away because they both crushed everyone in club tournaments. Regarding the debt – I forgot to mention in my previous post: it was funny to read questions to Vigo about whether he had paid off his debts to AK. That is, asking questions/making accusations without any evidence/answers. Bayazet, thank you separately. You are not boring either.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

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Vigo
This question is not related to maphack and dishonest play in Heroes 3 online on this resource.

Are you now demanding proof of your maphack on HW? If there is none, do you believe that AK is slandering you? And AK should be punished?

Let's do it this way then. Here are your posts:

/topic/at/157887/
Message from Mizrael;157789
Mizrael(Dungeon, Shakti) def Vigo(red, Castle, Valeska) 2sm4d(3) 143
Vigo
There was such a game. The opponent's perceptiveness is simply astounding...

/topic/at/195730/
Message from Феликс;195662
Феликс (blue, Inferno, Pyre, Shakti) def Vigo (red, Rampart, Kyrie, Kyrie), 2sm4d(3) 2.2.2.We saved the game at his initiative! He lost and accused me of save scouting without any evidence!!!! The man can't take a loss! People!! think twice before playing with him!
Vigo
The game happened. I refuse to confirm it. I have strong suspicions of dishonest play. Based on my post-game save reviews, the opponent's actions before the save, as well as during the continuation of the game from the save - I am almost completely certain the save was scouted. I ask the Moderators of this version of Heroes online to intervene. ICQ logs and saves from day 1 to the last day of the game are ready to provide.

/topic/at/208352/
SEM_56 (blue, Fortress, Tazar, Tazar) def Vigo (red, Castle, Valeska, Valeska) 2SM4d(3), 136
Vigo
.....how many times do I have to tell myself that you CANNOT play with saves...

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Message from Тяжелый случай
Тяжелый случай (Red, Conflux, Brissa, Ciele) def Vigo (Blue, Rampart, Kyrre, Kyrre), 2sm4d(3), 136Sneaked up on the opponent's respawn. Caught Kyrre with a dozen horses and grand elves. Opponent fled. A day later - siege. Had the advantage in meat and plenty of mana with arrow -145. Opponent had high defense + native walls. By the end of the battle, no walls remained, nor mana on either side) On his side - 2 trees, on mine - 7 ice elements) Victory, as they say, by the skin of my teeth) Thanks to the opponent for the game)
Vigo
Vigo
There was such a thing. They caught Kiryusha surprisingly accurately and just in time during his expansion on the way to the Griffin Conservatory. Unlucky.Thanks for the game.

You are accusing the players Mizrael, Феликс, SEM_56, Тяжелый случай of maphack.
Provide evidence with a detailed analysis of the saves. If there is none, then you should be placed in the Blacklist for slander as well.
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Vigo, thank you for the topic!
You really stirred things up before the weekend :)

Regarding the skill points – Vigo mentioned having a glass of vodka, and I know he sometimes plays while a little tipsy – so his skill level will naturally be different than in tournaments.
By the way, many also accused Eddie and Vitalik – but those accusations eventually faded away because they both dominated in club tournaments ;)

Regarding the debt – in my previous post, I forgot to mention: it was funny to read questions directed at Vigo, asking if he had paid off his debts, from AK :(
That is, asking questions/making accusations without any evidence/answers.

Bayazet, a special thank you to you. You're not boring either :)

Captain, good evening! I'm 100% sure you were the prototype of the "guy with 7 speed and a club" (quote).
RiMpel2
Points for racism.
Points for being out of his mind (for those who don't get it, this is a joke because black people are black, their skin pigmentation is like that, and to "blacken" in this case means to paint black. And why am I even writing this?)

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Did you fulfill your obligations regarding that tournament? (1000 USD)
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Pit for LM
Are you demanding proof of my maphacking on HW right now? If there isn't any, do you think AK is slandering you? And should AK be punished?

Let's do this then. Here are your posts:

/topic/at/157887/


/topic/at/195730/


/topic/at/208352/


/topic/at/210488/


You accuse players Mizrael, Феликс, SEM_56, Тяжелый случай of maphacking.
Provide evidence with a detailed analysis of the saves. If there isn't any, then you need to be put on the Blacklist for slander as well.

Listen, buddy! It says in there about my suspicions regarding the game and the player! And it doesn't matter that we later calmed down together with the players, sorted everything out, and came to our own conclusions; did I ask you to ban people? For cheating, maphacking, etc.?
And you threw an unconfirmed accusation in my face!< You banned me publicly and disgracefully! Without any trial or investigation!!!!
Okay, I can be hot-headed and impulsive, so I might behave and talk like that with players, but then we sort things out ourselves, and it's all over. There is even a point in the rules stating that players have the right to...
But you are acting like a judge, deciding fates! Shouldn't you generally be calm, factual, and reasonable? But you raised some nonsense about my employees, son, friends! Have you gone crazy from loneliness??? The portal chose you to impartially resolve issues between players and support the community for the benefit of Heroes! What are you doing????
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

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Kilgor, Vigo seems to have answered this question.
And your quotes are probably for very smart people :)
Pit for LM

You accuse players Mizrael, Felix, SEM_56, and Tyazhely Sluchay of maphacking.
Provide evidence with a detailed analysis of the saves. If there is none, then you should be added to the blacklist for defamation as well.
He accuses Mizrael, SEM_56, and Tyazhely Sluchay of cheating in Heroes of Might and Magic?
It seems like he's being sarcastic, and in some posts, he's even making fun of himself (banging his head against the wall and writing that he was unlucky :) ).
He only openly accuses Felix, and if I'm not mistaken, many people accused this player, and he disappeared from the portal shortly after that.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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hot-tempered and impulsive
Answer my question:
DID you fulfill your obligations regarding that tournament? (1000 USD)
Without dodging the question, just yes or no.
Captain
Kilgore, Vigo seems to have answered this question.
And your quotes are probably for very smart people :)
No, Captain, I hope he will answer now, with just one word.
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Kilgor
Answer my question

Without dodging, just yes or no.

No, Cap, I hope he answers now, with just one word.
Are you mentally challenged or something?
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

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Enough of this disgrace, it needs to end – either close the topic, as there is nothing clear and concrete from the accusers, and the new claims have nothing to do with the previous ones, or hold a poll – after announcing that the forum vote will decide the issue regarding Vigo...
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Vigo
Are you mentally challenged or something?

Just answer, without insults, with one word, and I'll have fewer complaints.
Did YOU fulfill your obligations regarding that tournament? (1000 USD)
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Ник в лоби - Kilgory
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Kilgor, I understand, but your complaints on this matter are of little interest to anyone – just as they are irrelevant to the accusations about cheating. Please don’t clutter up the thread. I’ve made a specific proposal to the moderators. Further arguing will only lead to negative consequences. An opinion poll is a good way to resolve this issue. The forum will decide, and everyone will be satisfied with the result (even a negative result is still a result). Then everyone can stop criticizing and just watch Jobu’s streams!
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numOne, why are you deleting posts about paying money, if you are the one asking this question and believe that it is relevant? Are you cutting off the defense at the root? People are using this as an active argument to accuse.

Here are your deleted posts.

You will be teaching your children about moral principles. Everyone has their own life, their own job, and everyone manages their own income.

This is an incorrect comparison because:
a) a contract is drawn up
b) the situation occurs in real life, and if my physical and moral qualities allow me to do so, then why not?
c) *here is a racist joke*
d) it will take no more time to paint the floors than the tournament lasts.

You pay the repairmen for the work they have done. You received, they received. The time of the repair is relevant. Before the tournament, there was money, then there wasn't. When ordering the floor to be painted, there is money. 1000 USD is a considerable amount of money, considering that you are giving it away for free. If the family is in a difficult financial situation at that moment, charity goes to hell. This is just an example. And there is no need to pretend to be a sinless soul.

Where and what here is relevant to Vigo?

You have resorted to some vague analogies, flooding the topic. And I also deleted Kilgor's posts, for your information.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.

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