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Posts from To Vigo or not to Vigo? That is the question.
RiMpel2, I think I understand why the AC has to confer and make its decisions in closed mode. There is an absolute, complete picture based on which a decision is made. And then it starts: one person thinks he must defend some so-called honor of the clan, and spout any nonsense, including about the presumption of innocence, unwilling to open his eyes to the truth — that their comrade is rotten. Another, out of friendly motives, starts adding his own two cents. Then a couple of people appear who write about the general playerbase in broad terms. Someone considers it their duty to pick out some fact from the list and cast doubt on it, or bring up conditions under which its application is generally incorrect. And so on.
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Of course, the neighbor's boy was cheating. And can I ask in return? Where can I see your games, just games without MH?
Better ask about the shared games with Luzer, with Vitalik, and who knows what other nicks... from the same IP, preferably with saves from both sides :)
Then, a counter-question: if Vigo was silent for a month, then Pete was silent for so many years, collecting (it's unclear why) facts about outside players helping during the game (although this is not prohibited, as I understand it) - based on the other facts from the collected data, I don't think we will reach a consensus - there is no such rule - to play according to a template and always lose to a stronger player!
Indeed, why? I myself sometimes don't understand why all this is and who we want to help, if half of the forum doesn't care about it. There are few people anyway, they will somehow figure it out themselves, and I will find something more interesting to do than sitting here and proving something to someone.
It seems that Vigo has really upset some members of the AC.
Not at all! I can't speak for everyone, but I personally don't have many complaints about Vigo as a player. He just plays, and let him play, I don't think I've ever refused to play with him, and I played a tournament with Loser, I remember. This is not so important in general - it's just a fun game for pleasure, to play. This would also apply to tournaments if he played in them himself, but it didn't work out. :smile32: You can convince yourself of anything, ignore anything, but I have drawn my own conclusions, and they are 100% not in Vigo's favor. And the people seem to be good, Vigo, Vitalik, well, judging by how they communicate. I have a separate story with Vitalik. He was the first player I played with when I joined online. I sent a game request, he replied, helped me with the hotkeys, sent me a map, and something else, in general, we played, and of course, I lost badly, but I had the best impression of him, and I was very upset to read how he was being harassed in the MapHack on HP, I even wrote a post in his support at the time. But time passes, we grow up, we realize something, we gain new information, and only the most stubborn and short-sighted people will always insist and stand their ground when everything says that they are wrong.
Why are we here? To determine whether Vigo was placed on the blacklist fairly or unfairly. And players are placed on the blacklist only to warn others about a possible trick on their part and so that the organizers have grounds not to include them in the tournament. Why include a person in a tournament if players refuse to play with him? If he can't even find a worthy opponent in the season?
In general, let's have a vote, let people express their opinion. If everyone doesn't care and they are ready to play with Vigo, Vitalik, Loser, etc. - no problem, play. I will delete the Blacklist on the same day and leave the AC, because there will be no point in staying there anymore.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
If everyone doesn't care and they are willing to play with Vigo, Vitalik, Loser, etc.
I think the statement is not quite accurate. The conversation was about me! And the accusation was directed at me! And I think it's wrong to involve someone else and "etc."
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!! Но!... Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...
I've always acknowledged and never hidden the fact that I sometimes received help from more experienced players!!! One of the best players in the world sat next to me and advised me on what to do and how, suggesting things like, "You should do this first," or "Try it this way." I, in turn, considered his advice, checked it against my own judgment, did as he suggested (because he's an expert!), remembered it for the future, and in other games, I did things the way he taught me. And now, are you saying he played for me???!
If I were playing and doing things as someone else suggested, I would never feel like I truly won, but for a fun game, I think it's acceptable, so to speak, for development purposes. And if it were a tournament and someone tells you how to play, and you play that way, then there's no difference at all... who is pressing the keys and moving the mouse at that moment, you or the person sitting next to you. And I think such a game deserves a technical defeat and perhaps a greater punishment to prevent it from happening again.
Besides, the person sitting next to you is on the blacklist... meaning there's no trust in him, and therefore he could have revealed the map to you and then started giving advice.... and you're just following his advice, so it's as if you had nothing to do with it
If I were to play and act as someone else suggests, then even if I won, I wouldn't feel like I truly earned the victory. But for fun, it seems acceptable, let's say, for development. And if it's a tournament and someone tells you how to play, and you follow their instructions, then there's no difference at all... who's pressing the keys and mouse at that moment, you or the person sitting next to you. And I think such a game deserves a technical defeat and perhaps even a greater punishment to prevent it from happening again.
But time passes, we grow up, we realize some things, we acquire new information, and only the most stubborn and short-sighted people will always insist on their point of view, even when everything indicates that they are wrong.
It's just not very nice to talk like that. Maphacking is a delicate matter; everyone can have their own opinion. Do you think that everyone who thinks differently is unintelligent? And everyone who supports AC is probably great, right?
Мой ник Heroes, и никто не вынесет меня Скажу я вам, мои друзья. Я некромант, я маг великий, и армия моя Непобедимая, огромная!
It doesn't sound very nice to say that. Maphacking is a delicate matter, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Do you think that everyone who thinks differently is unintelligent? And everyone who supports the Academy is probably great?
I was talking about the fact that one shouldn't be afraid to change their opinion. As a rule, this indicates that a person is capable of rational thinking and can accept criticism. And this applies not only to the case with Vitalik.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
Indeed, why bother? Sometimes I don't understand myself why we're doing all this and who we're trying to help, especially since half the forum doesn't care about it. There aren't many people here anyway; they'll probably figure things out on their own, and I'll find something more interesting to do than sit here and try to convince people.
Conduct a poll and find out how much people need your work.
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2Qwerty: As a chess player, you know that even among grandmasters there are cheaters. This is a proven fact. If a grandmaster plays at a strength of 2500, they can demonstrate their skill by playing fairly, but they can easily cheat when playing against someone with a rating of 2600-2700 because they cannot win otherwise. The same story applies to EDDY and vitalic. Just because someone plays well without cheating doesn't mean they can't cheat. Club tournaments can't verify this.
Regarding Vigo. There is very specific evidence here. Another person is playing for him. In this thread, saves from Vigo's games against Alone and CEM_56 have been posted. If anyone takes the time to look at the saves, the level of play differs drastically (like between a third-category player and a Candidate Master, if comparing it to chess). The difference is obvious.
In reality, it's very easy to check the substitution claim. Any club tournament in which Vigo participates will immediately reveal everything. A tournament in the club on SoD will start soon. I think that if Vigo participates in it and shows his true game, close in level to what he showed in the game with Alone or with Sevansan in the last tournament, then all accusations will be instantly dropped.
Finally, I offer the public THIS LINK. Please take a look at posts 335 and 336. Read both reports carefully and find 10 differences in the writing.
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Conduct a poll and see how much people need your work.
I myself sometimes wonder how important or necessary the AK's work is. A clear example of what would happen without AK was shown in the last World Cup, where the organizer completely messed up, couldn't handle the pressure from the players, and eventually abandoned the tournament. Such situations will occur constantly because practice shows that tournament organizers themselves cannot make normal, balanced decisions or stand up to the authority of titled participants. Let's conduct a poll. The AK can easily stop working, and I can destroy the AK section with one click.
Run a poll and find out how much people need your work.
* -Paaaaavel!*
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Many believe that Vigo is most likely an "honest" player who doesn't use cheats or maphacks. The problem, as Dirty correctly pointed out, is that there is evidence of a third party playing as Vigo, namely Vetalik, who cannot function without maphacks. Why is the word "honest" in quotation marks? Because this is happening with Vigo's knowledge, including Vetalik playing with maphacks. =)
Perhaps someone who is so eager to defend Vigo's honor can suggest how to proceed in this case? Should we take Vigo's word of honor?
P.S. I'll add "most likely."
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Mods, please issue penalty points to user b100dy and delete his messages in this thread.
Is it for expressing a different opinion or for not being a member of the "Phoenix Order"? I mean, if you're demanding that punitive measures be taken, then you should provide an explanation.