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"They stirred up a hornet's nest; it's clear that the so-called "wasps" have their snouts in the gun and a 100% closed-ranks system. Matching IP addresses, email addresses, evidence of personal acquaintance and joint games, game statistics and results, evidence of cheating with multiple accounts. In short, it's all clear to me. Losers, Vigo, Querty, and the like, they're all birds of a feather."
Is this not a biased opinion???!!! A "stranger" came in to express their unbiased opinion....
You took it out of context.
He wrote: "I'm a stranger here. I read the thread. I got the impression that...".
And why would he have a grudge against you if he's a stranger here?
I see how Albertas is defending you; there's clearly a biased opinion here. He probably isn't reading the thread.
The arguments regarding the maphack haven't been very convincing so far. To be more precise, these are just suspicions, which are definitely not enough for a verdict, considering the presumption of innocence.
There are only two ways: The first, and most obvious, is to catch them red-handed, but this is not feasible, as everyone is at home playing. There are rare exceptions, of course, with some individuals =). And if such an incredible event were to happen again, I even know that Sir Vertalik would say that it wasn't him, that some silly misunderstanding occurred, that he just stepped away for tea, and some boy walked by and probably installed and launched it.
And the second is subjective, based on an assessment of experience, skill, and understanding of the game. Again, in a discipline like Counter-Strike, there have been situations with PRO players, and again, the games were analyzed, their behavior and actions were examined, and a subjective decision was made.
There's no point in writing anything stupid further, as everything is obvious here.
Here's a person playing. They're streaming. They're chatting. And in the chat, they're told, "what if...". Has this happened? Yes, it happens all the time, at least in every third game. What is it? A hint? Well, yes, it's a hint. But as soon as streaming appeared, so did these hints. The situation here is similar.
Let's take the streams of comrades from sc2tv, like Tvariny, Sticky, Amilu, and so on. Yes, they are given advice, that's true; people turn to them in difficult situations. But there's a catch: it doesn't affect the overall picture of the game. The characteristic construction of units, the principle of scouting the map, the priority of moves, and so on, there are many small details that make the game personal and that cannot be changed by advice from the chat. Any average player has this, and it's not difficult to track the pattern of the game when the players change; it's just a routine task. And, unfortunately for your group, it was this that you were caught doing.
But it's one thing when players, residents, or just people who understand the situation, know it, or are at least somewhat familiar with the game in this version express their opinions (and the accusation stems from this).
And it's another thing when people who have absolutely no information or knowledge about Heroes in this version, or about what happened, speak up. How can anyone make any definitive statements without hearing and knowing anything about the situation?
But this is just my subjective opinion, of course. It's up to YOU to decide.
"stirred up a hornet's nest; obviously, the so-called 'wasps' are not blameless and mutual responsibility is developed 100%. IP coincidence, e-mail, facts of personal acquaintance and joint games, statistics and game results, facts of cheating with multiple accounts. In general, it's all clear to me here. Losers, Vigos, Quertys, and the like, they're all birds of a feather."
Isn't this a biased opinion???!!! A "third party" came in to express their unbiased opinion....
1) "Stir up a hornet's nest" – a colloquial expression: to touch upon a delicate subject...;
2) "Not blameless" – it turns out that he who is, even if implicitly, possibly involved in a bad deed;
3) "Birds of a feather" – people close in common interests and spatial proximity; mutual responsibility applies here as well.
Well, as for my opinion, I believe anyone has the right to express it, just as anyone has the right to defend theirs.
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I know another great kid from Heroes of Might and Magic Online, he was also around 14-15 years old, his nickname was Straus, and he sometimes tore through monsters...)))
But who was the one who went off the rails?
Everything in that post is correct. Vigoboy is my son, and I also encouraged and convinced him to love the Heroes game. He logs in and plays whenever he can. He's 14 years old, lives with me, and often plays on my computer. And, of course, just as I was helped and taught, I help and teach him. He has played and continues to play in tournaments under my guidance. But he plays himself!!!! I'm just nearby, offering advice, we discuss things, and we think about how to proceed on the next turn.
And who was the one who went off the rails?
1) "Falsification of tournament results" – please provide a link to the rules that state that a player must independently make decisions in the game, and if this rule is violated, they are obliged to report it and admit their defeat.
2) Several accounts from one computer – maybe the Vigo club created this – let's say, a gathering of Heroes players – you can't blame them for this; you should praise and encourage them in every way, with the wording: "for promoting the game and maintaining interest in our old mother!"
3) Accusation of maphacking – this is much more serious, but I don't see any facts. He went somewhere in the dark, jumped out onto a "chocolate" spot – this is all well-known... moreover, Jebus – if I had seen the opponent moving along the way, I wouldn't have engaged (if I wasn't ready), but I would have risked making an incomprehensible move for many – something like a throw in that direction – and considering the Jebus build, there is a high probability that this move will bring something well-rewarded... or the case described with Mike in the money tournament – that is, if Vigo hadn't been playing there, he would have won, but since Vigo was playing, he couldn't win, because his level of play couldn't achieve victory there)). This depends on what and with whom you compare, but you can't reason like that, no matter how unpleasant it is to lose...
In short, it's sad to read all this – there are no facts, I don't see links to the rules, poor Gomunguls can't break through to the topic from lunch (Numwan is cleaning up))... I suggest finding a way to get out of this unpleasant situation – the members of the AK should present official facts of maphacking (and not stories about a white bull), and if there are none, they should apologize to the player and think about what was done wrong and how to prevent this in the future – but let's not go too deep; we need to deal with this first!
And "Loser" means brother, Vitalik is a drinking buddy, etc. I wouldn't let my son near a computer, let alone play games, if he even launches one. Enough – his father used to get angry – until he took a pill.... But here, he's under his father's protection, probably already thinking about a tournament with a prize fund... well, you also have to teach him ;)
)))) That's pretty funny.
But in reality, Vigoboy is my son, and he's learning to play Heroes quickly.
Loser was my former colleague, a good guy, very smart, and it doesn't matter that he was disabled with cerebral palsy. But he unfortunately passed away, so let's not talk about him.
And Vitalik is a close friend, always ready to help at any time of the day or night! And about being a drinking buddy – he doesn't drink. Well, he can drink, and a lot, but damn, he doesn't get drunk! )) So I can't call him a drinking buddy (( You can't have a heart-to-heart talk with him after a shot of vodka ))
You have 6 descriptions for today:
Series 1. Vigo's game statistics in the season and tournaments on HotA and WoG. - It doesn't say much, knowing Vigo personally (and I think you know him well too) and his careless nature - it's not surprising that he plays casually, maybe even with a beer.
Series 2. Analysis of Vigo's reports. - Written by Vitalik. I know very well that Vitalik often helped Vigo in real life. They are really good friends. Doesn't this situation remind you of Cobra and the Great One? ;)
Series 3. Comparative analysis of games based on save files. - I didn't understand anything from Pit's explanations, even after reading it twice.
Series 4. Charity tournament. - "You have to teach the suckers," "money in the morning, chairs in the evening" - what does this really mean? You can say that, but I have more questions for the organizers and participants of the MMM pyramid schemes.
Series 5. Aladdin - I don't know, I need to hear all sides, including Neo.
Series 6. Vigoboy - Querty said that he personally knows this player, and there are suspicions that he was waiting for his father to arrive... these are just suspicions. And I don't care about them.
What's the point of all this fuss? Vigo plays Heroes, he's a fan, he's careless, but as far as I'm concerned, he's harmless, he hasn't won any prizes in tournaments and doesn't seem to be striving for it.
Razor or Oelm deserve more attention from the Anti-Cheat team.
numOne, I'm not defending anyone – believe me – I really don't see any facts. You've piled up all the accusations, but I don't see any logic or consistency in them...
1) "falsification of tournament results" – please provide a link to the rules that state that a player must independently make decisions in the game, and if this rule is violated, they are obliged to report it and admit their defeat.
2) several accounts from one computer – maybe the Vigo club created this – let's say, a gathering of Heroes players – you can't blame them for this; you should praise and encourage them in every way, with the wording: "for promoting the game and maintaining interest in our old mother!"
3) accusation of maphacking – this is much more serious, but I don't see any facts. He went somewhere in the dark, jumped out onto a "chocolate" spot – this is all well-known... moreover, Jebus – if I saw the opponent moving around, I wouldn't engage (if I wasn't ready), but I would take a risk and make a move that many here wouldn't understand – something like a throw in that direction – and considering Jebus's build, there's a high probability that this move will bring something that is well-rewarded... or the case described with Mike in the money tournament – that is, if Vigo hadn't been playing, he would have won, but since Vigo was playing, he couldn't win, because his level of play couldn't achieve victory there)). This depends on what and with whom you compare, but you can't reason like that, no matter how unpleasant it is to lose...
In short, it's sad to read all this – there are no facts, I don't see links to the rules, poor Gomunguls can't break into the topic from lunch (Numwan is cleaning up))... I suggest somehow getting out of this unpleasant situation – the members of the AC should present official facts of maphacking (and not stories about a white bull), and if there are none, they should apologize to the player and think about what was done wrong and how to prevent it in the future – but let's not go too deep; we need to deal with this first!
Am I trying to convince you? Am I sitting here for that? If you don't want to notice obvious things, then don't. Everyone has their own opinion.
I wrote the answer about maphacking above; please take the time to find it.
What "facts of maphacking" do you want to see? What is a "fact of maphacking" in your understanding?
Everything in that post is correct. Vigoboy is my son, and I also taught him and convinced him to love the Heroes game. He logs in and plays whenever he can.
)))) That's pretty cool, of course.
But actually, Vigoboy is my son, and he plays Heroes, and he's learning quickly.
Loser was my former colleague, a good guy, very smart, and it doesn't matter that he was disabled with cerebral palsy. But he unfortunately passed away, so let's not talk about him.
And Vitalik is a close friend, always ready to help at any time of the day or night! And as for being a drinking buddy, he doesn't drink.))) Well, he can drink, and a lot, but damn, he doesn't get drunk! )) So I can't call him a drinking buddy. (( You can't have a heart-to-heart talk with him after a shot. ))
After these words, I would cry, but... the forum – and any online communication source – has taught me that you can't trust people in any case, because even your close friend might seriously betray you in a critical moment, and what about a friend – even your own brother....
No, the right thing to do is to ban ALL people connected to the IP address of VIGO – even his son – it will even be beneficial; he will thank me later. And you can ban me and my brother too ;) Kill_Master ...
