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As an outside observer, I'm reading this discussion. At some point, I want to support Vigo – simply out of human decency (for example, for other people's reports – at work, if I can't go to the site myself, I send someone I trust, and then, based on their inspection, I prepare a report and sign it). But facts emerge that clearly lead me to a different opinion. For example, post 89 about Vigoboy – the person was playing while he had support behind him. As soon as that support disappeared, the person tried with all his might to back out of the discussion. Apparently, he didn't want to lose face.