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Posts from Regarding the Violation System.Auto-translated
Just to clarify, moderators are needed for the forum users, and we sometimes turn to them (you) to resolve, for example, a dispute that we ourselves are tired of, even though others find it very interesting to watch the mudslinging. Personally, I wouldn't spend much time on the forum if it were completely free for any kind of speech, because everyone interprets it in their own way, and I wouldn't want to witness tactless and offensive (in any form) communication. Once, someone used my nickname in their signature with the intention of somehow offending me. Without hesitation, I didn't respond in kind to this unpleasant way of presenting my person (nickname), but instead turned to a moderator. The signature was removed, and they asked to address each other by login, as far as I understood. I didn't insist on points, and I also received fair criticism in response, and after following the rules and correcting what I wrote, the dispute was resolved.
Every responsibility comes with its own rights.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
In my opinion, freedom of speech (expression) is more important than a subjective punitive measure. Moderating posts (including offensive ones) is better than restricting opinions through an imaginary threat.
The main principle should be: Omega
Rules exist to combat inappropriate behavior, not normal people.
No one is restricting normal communication; the fight is only against inappropriate behavior. But how can you fight inappropriate behavior if you can't do anything? For example, if you remove the rule about off-topic posts, then delete someone's post, and the author complains about you and points to the rules. And he doesn't care about all your talk about morality. The same applies to the abolition of the ban on profanity. Such a ban should definitely not be abolished.
I received a huge number of points in 2009, and I can easily be banned permanently for receiving just one point for the same off-topic behavior after three or even four years.
Yes, everything is fair in your case. You need to behave normally, not depending on your mood.
This only encourages people to create clones and many other similar actions. If a person remains interested in the forum, that's actually a good thing.
It depends on what you consider forum life. In any case, no one prevents you from asking for an unban. But registering clones definitely cannot give a positive assessment to a user.
If necessary, it is enough to block the account for a certain period, that's all.
That's what happens; otherwise, you wouldn't be writing here.
Well, in my opinion, there's a different problem here, namely, outdated points. It was discussed somehow, but it hasn't led to anything yet.
The problem is minimal, actually. Yes, it causes some minor inconvenience, but moderators can lift the ban.
Hmm, points still become outdated; Reven has 162.5, no matter how you look at it, and that's much more than 100.
He doesn't have 162.5 for no reason.
I sincerely and wholeheartedly sympathize with the moderation team of the third section, who lost such a saintly person.
Here's an example of blatant trolling.
Personally, I wouldn't be on the forum if it were, let's say, free for speech, because everyone interprets it in their own way, and I wouldn't want to see tactless and offensive (in any form) communication.
Отдай свои прошлые сны, В сомненьях себя обрети, В бешеном танце душа кружится! Не думай, что будет потом, Здесь и сейчас мы живем, Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!
Yes, everything is fair when it comes to you. You need to behave normally, not depending on your mood.
I don't see any logical connection here with the quoted part of my message. The problem is not minimal at all, considering that there are many moderators, it is impossible to keep track of everyone, and many also have a factor of bias when making decisions about awarding points. ;) Oh yes, can mentioning "inadequate" and "abnormal" people in previous messages be considered an indirect insult to people who have already received points?
Here's an example of narrow-minded bias, where the moderator doesn't even bother to think things through properly but instead expresses their very important subjective opinion about what was written, elevating it to the rank of absolute truth.
Added 39 minutes later No, seriously. What can be said about the person who wrote the quote above? I haven't had the pleasure of regularly being in the third section, so I'm not aware of its moderation policy. I see messages from a former moderator: a human approach, no obscurantism, no gatekeeping, and a clear head, a friendly and understanding attitude towards users. I like this, I upvote these messages, and I express my respect and approval. What do the cries of "trolling! trolling!" have to do with it? I absolutely don't understand. Here's some material for a conversation about the infamous "adequacy." And it even falls under the defamation clause, if, of course, moderators are not above the law.
I have a substantial list of points, but it's been stretched to the limit, absolutely, because if someone wants to find fault with something, they'll go to great lengths and will always find something to latch onto. They'll see trolling, they'll register insults. My point is, a moderator should be free from emotions, but that's not always the case, and then the penalty points mentioned in the topic can literally bury a user who, for some reason, didn't appeal to someone.
Что такое осень - это небо Плачущее небо под ногами
I have a solid list of points, but it's completely fabricated because if someone wants to find fault with something, they will go to great lengths and always find something to latch onto. They’ll see trolling, register insults. My point is that the moderator should be free from emotions, but this isn't always the case, and then the penalty items mentioned in the topic can literally bury a user who didn't appeal to someone.
This isn't quite right, or not at all.
The first 50 points are for registering an alternate account – supposedly a proven case, right? (the first one, not the current one) Then "For publishing prohibited, libelous, malicious, or infringing materials that violate applicable laws" - there too, everything is fair. At least because your words weren't confirmed there. We skip two violations for trolling and signature; these add up to only 13 points. But the next 25 points for insult are also fully deserved. And the last case of registering an alternate account is currently being investigated.
In total, you only have 10 points (the violation regarding the signature is clearly difficult to interpret ambiguously) that, as you put it, were "fabricated."
Отдай свои прошлые сны, В сомненьях себя обрети, В бешеном танце душа кружится! Не думай, что будет потом, Здесь и сейчас мы живем, Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!
Actually, if you look at the voting results now, you can see that those with an extremely high number of violations are mainly in favor of removing the point system, while those who haven't violated any rules are against it.
Sensational results.
How about we conduct a poll: "Is it appropriate to ban spammers," allowing spammers to vote? :)
Actually, if you look at the voting results now, you can see that those with an extremely high number of violations are mainly in favor of removing the points, while those who haven't violated any rules are against it.
I didn't vote. If the poll had checkboxes for specific points, then yes, I would have voted, but as it is, it's not very informative.
Отдай свои прошлые сны, В сомненьях себя обрети, В бешеном танце душа кружится! Не думай, что будет потом, Здесь и сейчас мы живем, Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!
I didn't vote. If the poll had checkboxes for specific items, then yes, I would have voted, but as it is, it's not representative.
Well, if only!.. I, in principle, am not against removing points for spam and off-topic posts. It's normal that a person can get carried away in a conversation; that's what communication is for. If the topic has completely gone off track, then that's what moderators are for – to move or delete the spam and off-topic posts. There is usually no malicious intent, which means it's unfair to punish.
Look, a user received 50 points for expressing their own opinion on the topic. And you, despite the indirect insult and slander, received nothing ;) Let's be fair, either give points to everyone or to no one, regardless of the nickname color.
I remember on one forum, there was a moderator who didn't actively participate in the forum's life; he just did his job. As a result, emotions, personal dislikes, and other factors didn't affect the quality of the forum moderation.
You can achieve good performance of duties, for example, by forcing moderators to work in sections other than their own. Then there would be no talk of bias. But, unfortunately, this would be real work, not just doing it on the side. And no one will moderate someone else's section for free, especially not with quality. So, God forbid you question the moderator's untouchability... :rolleyes:
The first 50 points are for registering a clone – this seems to be a proven case, right? (the first one, not the current one) Then, "For publishing prohibited, libelous, harmful, or infringing materials that violate applicable laws" – everything is fair there too. At least because your words weren't confirmed there. We'll skip two violations for trolling and signature; in total, it’s only 13 points. But the next 25 points for insults are also fully deserved. And the latest case of clone registration is currently being investigated.
In the end, you have only 10 points (it's clearly difficult to interpret the signature violation ambiguously), which, as you put it, were "pulled out of thin air."
Haha) Well, clones are understandable; they just noticed my clone after 2-3 months when they wanted to annoy me, that's all ;). Good reaction. And the link about insults doesn't even work... and regarding trolling.
Poor Morny.
Что такое осень - это небо Плачущее небо под ногами