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Quite reasonable arguments.

Regarding Summoning – in WGE, the teleport is located in the Summoning skill (and it works on enemies there), so if such a transfer option is being considered, it can be added to the Summoning school (and the Celestial Shield can be returned to Light – there you have a perk). There is already a mechanic for pushing enemies on the scale in Summoning (Wasps – they are real, not just status effects), albeit in the opposite direction, and also as an additional effect.

Banishment is most logically placed in Anti-Summoning.

I don't like writing a lot, but there's nothing I can do about it: until I explain to someone why I acted this way, they will consider it wrong.

It was illogical not to give the native magic as a summoning spell, but to give it easy shield acquisition.

Any changes must be justified. What else did you expect?

Regarding the topic, the meaning of the phrase
escapes me (double "not"). Am I translating correctly: "It would be logical to give the native summoning magic, but it is illogical to make it easy to obtain a shield"?

And the second question, is changing the native magic schools (for example, Earth & Energy to Summoning to Darkness) part of the project's plans?

Is changing the chances of obtaining one or another skill part of the project's plans?

When communicating, for example, in a chat with a strong player, no justification is required.

It was illogical not to give the native magic as a summoning spell, but to give a light shield in it – this is logical (since the Shield does not drop in the Guild). And it should have been in the Guild, because it is a Dwarven spell.

Most likely, the emphasis will be on the city classes rather than the race.

I don't understand all this fuss – about whether a spell is dwarven or not. Summoning is also a dwarven spell, but only because of the Shield? Move it to Light, and teleport to Summoning, and don't worry. I think such a simple rearrangement doesn't require a separate project, but ensures logical progression. However, we recently argued about this in the WGE, but I don't remember if it was with you or not. So, I won't try to convince you, I'm just suggesting.

And I mean the chances of heroes learning magic schools. That is, native schools are the primary factor in this regard.

I don't really like the "Resilience" - "Evasion" line for defense. They are not logically connected. Both are specific perks, one for low levels, the other against archers. Why should I take one for the sake of the other, it's unclear. Resilience, to put it mildly, is not a top-tier perk (compared to Battle Balance).

The first branch is defense against magic, the second branch is completely passive abilities that do not relate to defense against magic, the third branch is semi-active and active abilities.

If the perk grants a necessary spell at a decent level, there's no need to invest in the same school.

With their high magic, Summoning is a perfect fit. But aesthetically, Dark is needed for the Elves instead of Summoning, and Summoning instead of Chaos for the Dwarves. But for the Dwarves, this would destroy one of the amazing Chaos progression paths. And the Elves would end up looking like the Inferno faction.

They are both pure passive skills and not antimagic.

So, I understand your intention correctly – to transfer the perk to Light? If so, then the question about the Shield school is removed (after all, this is about leveling up, not magic).

In HotA, Darkness for the Warlock and Summoning for the Elf look great, but there are also many changes in the spells. So, the question boils down to the spells. It is quite possible to make Darkness beneficial for the Warlock. However, this is already a topic for a separate project.

The fact that the Elves will become "similar" to demons is not an argument. Demons have a lot of mana and little attack points, while the Elves have the opposite. With all the consequences. In addition, it will not be possible to avoid repeating schools: for 7 races, there are 6 combinations. In the original, the Dwarf repeats the Elf.
It's another matter that if you give the Elves Darkness + Chaos, then Chaos + Summoning must be given to someone else. The first candidate is the Mages (and they don't need Light anyway, as mini-artifacts already enhance them). Accordingly, Light + Summoning is freed up from the Mages and goes to the Elves, or to the Dwarves.

This is the only thing that unites them. But the goal of your project was to move away from leveling up useless perks for the sake of useful ones. So, I think "Resilience" is useless if I want to switch to "Evasion" (the perks solve fundamentally different tasks).

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I have an idea for the Elf: make Summoning native instead of Chaos, and get the necessary chaotic spells from leveling up (put them in the Elven schools). Or even simpler: give chaotic spells to heroes at the start. That is, in fact, play with 3 native schools (but without leveling up in Chaos).

They don't really go together, but there's simply nowhere else to put them.

But giving them ranged attack on level 1 is too much.

The idea is that the player can choose a city class. One class can be given Summoning and Light as native skills, another can be given Chaos and Light. There is no problem.

Suggest an alternative, where should we put dodge?

The combination of Light + Darkness for Inferno is due to the small number of spells available.

I pointed out this flaw to you. And there's always something to do.

Why are you so fixated on this ranged attack/dodge pairing? Why can't they be on different levels? Even if they are, it would be more logical to put ranged attack on level 1 and block on level 2 or later. Because block is stronger than ranged attack at the beginning of the game (including for ranged units of levels 1-2).

I'll repeat again: I'm not talking about the guild, but about the chances of learning the native school of magic during leveling up. Will the Elf be expanded to include Summoning, at the expense of Chaos or Light?
Definitely on the first level of Defense.

That's why a Demon with Darkness plays with mass low-level spells, while a Tower with Darkness plays with high-level Darkness spells (Dominate, Blind, Berserk, Word). This is the difference.

You shouldn't draw general conclusions from a single instance. First, we train archers, even though we don't need them, and then everyone else?

Don't you think that humans and demons don't cast Berserk or Subjugation? That's surprising!

By slightly increasing the chance of summoning and choosing the right city class, we can decide where to develop – that's all.

Umm... I wasn't actually suggesting swapping "Resist" and "Evasion." It looks best as it is in the original, with Resist, Evasion, and Reflection at level 1 (classic).

Not with that efficiency. I'm talking about the clear differences between a Demon and a Titan. Subordination is two very different things for each.

Not just a little, but 8% for each of the 3 "native" schools. 5% might not be enough.

Chaos spells, by the way, can be obtained by an Elf from the Secrets of Chaos and guilds of levels 1-3. So, the issue with city classes is not necessary here.

Where should I put all the other stuff? And what happens after dodging?

It's enough for 2-3 turns, and that's fine; more is simply unnecessary.

A gnome with 4% is enough to annoy with summons.
6% is sufficient.

You're confusing cause and effect.

See original.

Are you suggesting removing all magic protection except for reflection? Should evasion remain as a single skill?

You're getting it wrong. In the city, place native Summoning + Light structures. And the Chaos spells, the Chaos Elf can obtain through leveling up and from a low-level guild. Even if they are low-level.