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Offline ColdWarrior
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Who is this, and are they tired of living?:o Mostly, these are probably people who can't seem to play the game. Or those who simply dislike all strategy games in general, or turn-based games in particular. If they are fans of the series and especially fans of Heroes III, then they are unhappy that 3DO changed the gameplay. Otherwise, they are just stubborn people who don't even want to understand anything, and simply reject everything they see, IMHO.

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The main discussion on this topic took place here: /topic/86/. I expressed my opinion on this issue here: /topic/9165/, and also here: /topic/8363/. I wanted to publish my guides in "Vestnik Geroev" for general review and to popularize the fourth game, but the work has stalled – the editor doesn't have time to do the layout of the new magazine issue (I sent him the guides for editing).
However, I want to add one more small technical reason. After writing the guides, I almost stopped playing the fourth game and switched to the third. The reason is simple – I mainly play at work, where the computers are not very powerful; the third game runs well, while the fourth might lag. And the fourth game on a high difficulty level requires more time than the third; blitzkrieg is basically impossible here – there is no flight or Dimension Door, and you can’t pass strong guards without a fight.
Техника в руках индейца мертва.
Справочник по НоММ-4 http://handbookhmm.ru/pamyatka-dlya-heroes-iv.html
Памятка по НоММ-3 http://handbookhmm.ru/pamyatka-dlya-homm-iii.html
и HotA http://handbookhmm.ru/vyishla-obnovlennaya-pamyatka-dlya-homm-iii-hota.html
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nikitos palisos
Who is this, and are they tired of living?:o
Mostly, these are probably people who can't play the game.
Or those who simply dislike strategy games in general, or turn-based strategy games in particular.
If they are fans of the series and especially fans of Heroes III, then they are unhappy that 3DO changed the gameplay. Otherwise, they are just stubborn people who don't even want to understand anything, and simply reject everything they see, IMHO.

Just to insult those whose opinion doesn't match yours.

People played the first part. They liked it, and they were waiting for a sequel. The second and then the third part came out. The game was successful, and everyone was eagerly awaiting the fourth installment. And then it came out. And now it's not Heroes anymore, but some kind of mix of RTS, TBS, and RPG. You asked for dark chocolate with 90% cocoa, and they brought you a white chocolate bar.
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RiMpel2
This isn't Heroes anymore; it's some kind of mix of RTS, TBS, and RPG. You asked for dark chocolate with 90% cocoa, and they brought you a white chocolate bar.
What do you think the fourth installment should be like?
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There are 3 parts before it, and 1 after it (I'm not counting the sixth one because I haven't played it), so it shouldn't be too hard to guess what it should be, right?
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These are mostly players who started with the third installment. Veteran players have long grown tired of the standard gameplay and received the fourth game quite well.
My sword, my trusted ally, unphased by my aspect.
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RiMpel2
There are 3 parts before it, and 1 after (I'm not including the sixth one because I haven't played it), it's not hard to guess what it should be, right?
Demanding that the fourth game be a continuation of the third would be fair if it had been stipulated in the development contract, and even more so if the client had paid for it.
Based on these considerations, instead of inventing locomotives and cars, they should have simply harnessed more horses to the cart... Evolution (of the game) took a different path, which is not worse at all - it's just unfamiliar. The developers were able to create a quite balanced and original game.
Another question is to choose the game that you like more, and then improve your skills. After the third game, I could no longer switch to the second, and even less to the first Heroes. But switching between the third and fourth games and back is no problem. The question is not about what someone likes, but about the fact that some, if they didn't get what they wanted (or couldn't figure it out), immediately consider it to be rubbish, garbage, etc., not worthy of attention. It strongly resembles the fable about the fox and the grapes.
Any monotony, no matter how good it is, gets boring. But at the same time, there are a huge number of fans of empty TV series who eagerly await the release of a new 1000-episode movie about nothing. And they are unhappy when this empty series suddenly ends.
Техника в руках индейца мертва.
Справочник по НоММ-4 http://handbookhmm.ru/pamyatka-dlya-heroes-iv.html
Памятка по НоММ-3 http://handbookhmm.ru/pamyatka-dlya-homm-iii.html
и HotA http://handbookhmm.ru/vyishla-obnovlennaya-pamyatka-dlya-homm-iii-hota.html
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A great game, in my opinion. Quite dynamic and, in a way, even intriguing due to the ever-present fog of war and roaming monsters. I personally embraced the fourth installment. After all, releasing almost identical projects, differing only in improved graphics and minor changes, had already become tiresome at that time. And here, it's like a breath of fresh air. Of course, many players think the exact opposite, which explains the negative attitude towards the fourth part.
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The point is that there are many games, and people, when choosing by the name "Heroes 4," bought Heroes 4, and not something else, a remake that differs from the earlier installments.
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It strongly resembles the fable about the fox and the grapes.
What does this have to do with anything? The fox wanted the grapes and continues to want them, even if it pretends otherwise, while the fools spat and went back to upgrading the same creatures, denouncing the product.
My sword, my trusted ally, unphased by my aspect.
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My opinion of games is 80% based on the first impression. When I first launched the fourth installment, I didn't like anything about it: squeaky music, angular, poorly drawn graphics, a bunch of new features with an incomprehensible, deep philosophical meaning, resembling the fantasies of small children... Later, I played it again and played it a lot, all three parts (original, Storm and Whirlwind), but the opinion formed during the first impression did not change.
People played the first part. They liked it, they were waiting for a sequel. The second and then the third came out. The game is successful, everyone is eagerly awaiting the release of the fourth. And here it is. And now these are no longer heroes, but some kind of mixture of RTS, TBS, and RPG. You asked for dark chocolate with 90% cocoa, and they brought you a white bar.
Yes, this is well said. The fourth installment is less like a strategy game and more like an RPG. The need for RPG-style heroes is not entirely clear, especially since there is M&M. To be more precise, it is quite clear that they are not needed.
 

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The point is that there are many games, and people, choosing by the name "Heroes 4," bought Heroes 4, and not something else, a remake that differs from the earlier installments.
Specifically for buyers, warning information about the changes made to the project is placed on the back of the game packaging. No one prevents them from reading it before making a purchase.
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Ment
My opinion of games is 80% based on the first impression. When I first launched the fourth game, I didn't like anything about it... Then... the opinion formed during the first impression didn't change.
Probably, this is true; I have a similar attitude towards the fifth game and Heroes of Might and Magic. And Might and Magic didn't quite work out. But the fourth game somehow clicked, although not immediately. But when playing on autopilot stopped working, I had to study the details – it turned out that the game was even more interesting than it seemed at first.
RiMpel2
The point is that there are many games, and people, choosing by the name "HoMM4," bought exactly HoMM4, and not something else, reworked, different from the first parts.
After the third game, I saw the announcement of the fifth game, and I didn't like it. It was too different from the third game and previous versions. After that, I bought the fourth game – it turned out to be exactly what I needed.
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What does this have to do with it? The fox wanted the grapes and still wants them, even if it pretends otherwise, while the fools spat and went back to upgrading the same creatures, denouncing the product.
Exactly. They couldn't try it (didn't figure out the game) – so, in their opinion, the game is garbage.
Техника в руках индейца мертва.
Справочник по НоММ-4 http://handbookhmm.ru/pamyatka-dlya-heroes-iv.html
Памятка по НоММ-3 http://handbookhmm.ru/pamyatka-dlya-homm-iii.html
и HotA http://handbookhmm.ru/vyishla-obnovlennaya-pamyatka-dlya-homm-iii-hota.html
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Morning
These are mostly players who started with the third game. Veteran players have already had their fill of the standard gameplay and received the fourth game quite well.
I completely agree. The duckling syndrome is a very serious thing.
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Morning
What does this have to do with anything? The fox wanted the grapes and still wants them, even if it pretends otherwise, while the fools spat and went back to upgrading the same creatures, denouncing the product.

That's exactly why they spat and went to upgrade the SAME creatures; they remain fools, while the fox is smart :D

Logic 120%.
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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