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Offline dmitrik
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A tournament for beginners is a good idea, even a very good one. The rules should be simple; there's no need to scare people away by making them learn something: if you want to play TE, play TE; if you want to play the original, that's fine too. The same goes for maps: use fixes, the native generator, or IRMG.
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It's a rather strange setup, to be honest. In the last tournament, there were a lot of experienced players, and you want to create a tournament for beginners without any tournament experience. What will that even give them? A title of champion among newbies?
There are plenty of such champions on YouTube and Twitch. In my first tournament 3 years ago, I saw IRMG+ templates for the first time and immediately played against some strong players, and I learned from them. Now it's much easier; there are excellent streamers, and they are a treasure trove of experience.
In my opinion, it's necessary to create a tournament with two groups of players. While the games are being played in the groups, players will have a chance to learn the basics and understand whether they even need this. Some will drop out, and the best players will move on. But they must play against strong opponents; otherwise, there is no point in such tournament experience.
I completely agree; I've always held the same opinion!
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I'll jump into your conversation for a moment, please don't be offended.
Firstly, I apologize, but judging by the rules that are being discussed, neither you, Vip.rus, nor you, Adv, would qualify for such a tournament. And to be honest, even a newbie like me wouldn't qualify. And shouldn't the relevance of the tournament be determined primarily by the potential players and the potential host, right?
Secondly, regarding playing against strong players. I agree in general, but in the case of a tournament, it's not quite the same: inexperienced players simply won't be able to last long enough to gain enough valuable experience.
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I wanted to respond to each person individually, supporting some and disagreeing with others, but I decided to simply duplicate my first post:)
"Something tells me that this idea is doomed to fail due to low participation. Perhaps it would be better to organize a tournament in the future based on existing standards, but with a separate group of "newcomers," whom we need to somehow attract to our resources and introduce to the wonderful world of the TE mod. I hope Moza doesn't have a good memory and won't pour a bucket of sarcasm on me, because I used to be one of the most ardent opponents of this mod, but as they say, time heals. Now, playing the original game, especially on the native generator, is just... I won't even mention versions 1.6 and 2.1. I don't want to impose anything on anyone, but in my opinion, it would be much better to attract people to play with the TE mod, so to speak, to expand our ranks. People will play quietly among equals, get used to the features of the TE mod, gain gaming experience, and in subsequent tournaments, without much fear or apprehension before the "fathers," participate in the advanced TE players' bracket.
P.S., I haven't been on the resource for almost two years. Unfortunately, upon returning, I didn't see an "army" of HMM5 fans. Some have left, some have come, but as two years ago, the number of tournament participants does not exceed 20+, but there are actually many more people playing Heroes, I think hundreds."
I don't know, I don't really have anything to add
"Шанс есть всегда, но не везде." ;)
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Offline Vaishan))
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I didn't quite understand... Is TE-mod about enhancing the AI or something else? I would be grateful for clarification.
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Where else can I download TE? I can’t access the league’s website, and Google isn’t providing any useful results.
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Where else can I download TE? I can't access the league website, and Google isn't providing much useful information.
Check here in the "useful links" section!
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Пусть будет больше мудрецов и жить станет легче!!! "

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Offline Dyrman
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But do newcomers even know what TE is? If it's not played in tournaments, how will they know how to play it? They're not excelling in the game as it is, and introducing an unfamiliar mod will just confuse them even more...
That's one thing.

If the goal is to learn TE, then introducing this "virus" (in my opinion, any idea that deviates from the original is an additional "infection" for the brain) is fine. In that case, everyone should play on TE, and it would become a kind of qualification for upcoming major tournaments specifically on TE. But even then, it's necessary to bring in players from previous TE tournaments to help the "lower-ranked" players.
That's another thing.

Therefore, the main thing is to decide what the purpose of the tournament is. If the goal is to identify a winner, use the original version. If the goal is to train players for future, higher-level tournaments, use TE.

Too bad Offa isn't here.
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Offline Quiescent
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I've been playing HOMM since the game's release, and TE since version 4.8 (I'm not a pro player, but an enthusiastic amateur). I can confidently say that it makes sense to start playing on the TE mod right away. All the shortcomings of the original become obvious as your skill level increases; I wouldn't play the original now, as it's not interesting. I suggest organizing a tournament, like a "New Recruit Training" tournament, on the TE mod.
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I've been playing HOMMV since its release, and TE since version 4.8 (I'm not a pro player, but an enthusiastic amateur). I can confidently say that it makes sense to start playing with the TE mod right away. All the shortcomings of the original become obvious as your skill level grows; I wouldn't play the original now, it's not interesting. I suggest holding a tournament, like a "New Recruit Course," using the TE mod.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. I haven't met anyone who, after understanding the TE mod and playing enough games, went back to the original.
The tournament should be for beginners, using TE. If not enough people participate, so be it. In general, Leolopus's idea is the right one: with two groups – beginners and experienced players. The winners of each group compete in the final. Ban the "veterans" from this tournament. :smile13:
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Offline Leolopus
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Ban the "dads" in this tournament. :smile13:
Better send the "dads" beyond the Moscow Ring Road. :) But seriously, "dads" can and should be used (in a good sense of the word) for their intended purpose. I am 1000% sure that any "dad" is interested in having as many top-level players as possible, so that the overall level of players increases and grows, because they, the "dads," are definitely interested in playing against strong opponents. Victories in such games are twice as meaningful, and defeats hurt their gaming pride even more. So, if you organize a tournament with two brackets - advanced and beginners, you can attract the "dads" to the tournament as mentors. For example, a "dad" takes patronage over 1 or 2 beginners (depending on the number of participants), conducts training sparring sessions with them, sharing experience, giving advice, and generally preparing his protégé for a sparring match with another beginner, who is being trained by another "dad." Ultimately, the games in this bracket will become not just a clash of lambs, but a competition of schools of skill. The idea is a bit rough, but as an option, it is quite viable and feasible, if there is a desire.
"Шанс есть всегда, но не везде." ;)
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That's exactly what I'm saying. I've never met a person who, after delving into the TE mod and playing enough games, went back to the original.
A tournament should be made for beginners, on TE. If enough people don't sign up - so be it. In short, Leolopus's idea is just what's needed. With 2 groups - beginners and experienced players. The winners of each group face off in the final. Ban the Fathers in this tournament. :smile13:
In my opinion, all kinds of tournaments are needed: separately among Beginners, separately among Experienced, separately among Fathers, separately among Beginners and Experienced, separately among Experienced and Fathers, separately among Beginners and Experienced and Fathers, and so on. And this brings us to the LEAGUE OF HEROES. In my opinion, we need to unite everyone into a single community of players from the three main Heroes sites (League, HeroesWorld, Portal) for holding regular tournaments. At the same time, just don't touch the "independence" of each resource individually. I think such an idea is feasible if there are like-minded people and the desire...
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In my opinion, we need all sorts of tournaments: separately among Newcomers, separately among Veterans, separately among Fathers, separately among Newcomers and Veterans, separately among Veterans and Fathers, and separately among Newcomers, Veterans, and Fathers, and so on. And this leads us to the LEAGUE OF HEROES. In my opinion, we should unite everyone into a single community of players from the three main Heroes sites (Liga, HeroesWorld, Portal) for holding regular tournaments. At the same time, we should not touch the "independence" of each individual resource. I think this idea is feasible if there are like-minded people and a desire...
Well, by and large, de facto, all TE players are already united, no matter which resource they spend more time on the forum:) As for tournaments, I think it's quite realistic and, most importantly, practical, for all fans of Heroes 5 to take part in a tournament, and the format of the tournament can be anything, as long as there is imagination:) But TE must be promoted without a doubt, there is no way back for us, let the original stay on Ubi:)
"Шанс есть всегда, но не везде." ;)
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In my opinion, various tournaments are needed: separately for Newcomers, separately for Veterans, separately for Veterans and Newcomers, separately for Veterans and Fathers, separately for Newcomers, Veterans, and Fathers, and so on. And this brings us to the HEROES LEAGUE. I think we need to unite everyone into a single community of players from the three main Heroes sites (League, HeroesWorld, Portal) for holding regular tournaments. At the same time, we must not interfere with the "independence" of each individual resource. I believe this idea is feasible if there are like-minded people and the desire...
Well, they still exist now, you know that as a tournament organizer. ;) The thing is, people seem not opposed to playing TE, but they don't have enough experience yet, and for some it's completely new. Hence the corresponding proposal - to give an opportunity to try out TE without a clear winner. Moreover, one should not underestimate newcomers - some play quite well, they just aren't registered on various forums and don't participate in tournaments.
The original here is 100% inappropriate - it is far too unbalanced (anyone who has tried TE will understand, I think)
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