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Seeing how long the post was, I was horrified and didn't even bother reading it :D

I imagined this situation: at school, they assign reading "War and Peace" or "Crime and Punishment," and Vovochka says, "Oh, Marya Ivanovna, I won't read this huge book."

That's exactly why I didn't read this nonsense in school.

To be honest, I don't understand why schools force students to read this nonsense, and in such large quantities. Everyone should read the books they enjoy. If I happily read Dale Carnegie because I see practical value in it for myself, then I deliberately haven't read "War and Peace," etc.

Perhaps they are trying to instill an appreciation for the works of great authors and provide at least some understanding of culture. If not, then the entire school literature curriculum should be scrapped. Probably.

Well, the school curriculum wasn't developed haphazardly; it aimed not only to distract children from sex, smoking, and alcohol for 10 years but also, perhaps, to nurture them as individuals, teach them to analyze their environment, and encourage them to think for themselves, or maybe just to train their memory... Not every child aged 7-10 (and often even 15) is capable of consciously choosing a path for their development and, consequently, what to read to achieve it. That's why parents are at home and teachers are at school: to "guide them on the right path."
However, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, it would probably have been worth revising this very curriculum in light of the sharp change in the development vectors of now-independent states. I think Dale Carnegie and John Maxwell could help instill respect for oneself as an individual, and who knows, maybe even teach people to respect others. And since we now have capitalism, it would be worth giving future builders of this capitalism at least basic financial literacy (at least so that their salary doesn't run out by the 10th of the month).

War and Peace was written by Tolstoy under the influence of the Bhagavad Gita he had read.

In War and Peace, there seems to be a passage of about 40 pages in which Tolstoy describes the flight of a bird during the lull before the battle. I think only heavy drugs could inspire something like that.))

In school, they "force" you to read in order to somehow instill a love of reading in general.

For most students, the school curriculum only instills a dislike of reading.

the school curriculum was not developed randomly.

The current literature program was developed about 50 years ago and has hardly changed since then.

it set itself the goal of not only distracting a child from sex for 10 years.

LOL, what???

In my opinion, it's been a long time since it was time to change not only the school curriculum; this one change is not enough. First of all, the teaching methods themselves need to be improved by the teachers. After all, who is the average school teacher these days? A woman who graduated from university and doesn't know where to go to work. A self-respecting man would never go to work as a school teacher (although I believe that this profession is primarily a male one). And why is that? Because the low salary and social status of a teacher are practically equal to the salary and status of a janitor. Well, what can such an average teacher teach children, let alone instill a love of literature? I think that changes in this regard should not be expected in Russia for a very long time.

Low salary

That's quite low, especially not in the two capitals.

Ihtiandr:

That's exactly why I didn't bother reading this nonsense in school.

This is written by someone who was frothing at the mouth, trying to "prove" the thesis about the superiority of "men" as individuals over "women." Ha-ha.

E-t' - to hammer:

"In 'War and Peace,' there's a passage of about 40 pages where Tolstoy describes a bird's flight during the lull before a battle. I think you can only come up with something like that under the influence of heavy drugs."

This belongs in a collection of "nonsense"!

Honestly, I don't understand why they force us to read this garbage in school, and in such large quantities. Everyone should read the books they enjoy.

Here's a secret: the school literature curriculum is designed for a very "average" teenager. Those who were considered advanced in the humanities read two or three times as much. And in addition to that, they managed to do a lot...

Familiarizing yourself with literature is not like going to McDonald's. If a work is written by a person who has experienced war, seen death, and risked his life (Tolstoy, Hemingway), then it simply cannot be adequately perceived by a 14-year-old brat, dreaming of Big Macs or a late-night Dota session. And that's the "messianic" aspect of literature lessons, and teachers in particular, to gently nudge the young idiot out of his "naive-realistic universe."

This is written by someone who was frothing at the mouth while typing, trying to "prove" the thesis about the superiority of "men" as individuals over "women."

I had already forgotten about this, but it seems this thesis still bothers you. I wasn't trying to prove anything to anyone, I was just expressing my point of view, and judging by the tone of your posts, you're the one spitting saliva at the monitor.

How many hours of real time does it take an average high school student to read "War and Peace"?

Tolstoy is quite easy to read; many from my Russian-speaking circle have read him, even if they didn't finish the fourth volume. However, Dostoevsky and Platonov required more effort and mental concentration.

I read it in 2 weeks, and although I didn't read it non-stop, it was mostly a tedious read, in my opinion.

I had already forgotten about it, but it seems this thesis still bothers you. I wasn't trying to prove anything to anyone, I was just expressing my point of view, and judging by the tone of your posts, you're the one spitting venom at the monitor.

My thesis is that a man who seriously asserts a chauvinistic position (this is what you wrote about) is significantly inferior in all respects, except for physical strength (not always), to a very "average woman" - in terms of breadth of thinking, life skills, sound perception of the world, ability to achieve goals, and simply pleasantness in communication.

just pleasant in communication..

Oelm teaches people to be pleasant in communication LOL

Literature is an art, and it seems that everyone has long forgotten what art is. It should bring a person moral and aesthetic pleasure. But everyone finds pleasure in different things, and in particular, in works of art. Everyone has their favorite book, favorite movie, favorite song. But that doesn't mean they should be liked by everyone. A person who enjoys a work of art experiences a connection with the author, as if communicating with him immaterially. If a person does not feel close to the author, why should he delve into his creation? Why force people to read what they find repulsive? Undoubtedly, someone may have "War and Peace" as their favorite book, but why should this apply to everyone?

In addition, the question arises: how is the value of a work of art measured? I believe that the purpose of art is, first of all, to achieve maximum perfection in a certain area. And what does approaching perfection mean? It is the creation of something that produces the maximum effect WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF RESOURCES. Roughly speaking, you can put the produced effect in the numerator, and the resources spent on creation in the denominator. Take, for example, some symphony by Bach for orchestra. The effect produced on listeners is great, but how much effort is needed for this! Or take the song by Queen - We Will Rock You. The effect, of course, is not so great, but the resources for performance are minimal. Therefore, the value of these two works is approximately equal.

So, perhaps "War and Peace" produces a strong effect on someone, but considering how much ink the author spent writing it, and how much time it takes to read these volumes, in my opinion, the value of this work is not very great.

Hello everyone, I'm from SC2TV. I often watch Heroes of Might and Magic streams and read your forum. I was simply struck by how Ikhtiandr speaks about pedagogical activities, so here it is: I am a mathematics teacher in a secondary school. Ikhtiandr's message: “In War and Peace, there is a passage of 40 pages in which Tolstoy describes a bird flying during the lull before the battle. I think you can only come up with something like that under the influence of heavy drugs.” Your criticism only shows your ignorance and stupidity. Obviously, your upbringing is to blame. When everyone blames teachers, saying that they are bad and should educate, etc. Isn't that ridiculous? A teacher is NOT an educator. A teacher TEACHES and PROVIDES MATERIAL ON THE SUBJECT. Parents, kindergarten teachers, and the vice-principal for educational work educate. THAT'S IT. You are a completely culturally illiterate person. A prime example of the boorish society of Russia. I watched your streams. Every five words, there's a swear word, your communication is unpleasant, and your speech is exactly like that of street thugs. Of course, you won't like Tolstoy's work. This man achieved more in his life than you will achieve in three of your lifetimes! The whole world knows about him. It is truly an art to describe this bird before the battle, yes! You, an ignorant person, will not understand this. Let's move on. Ikhtiandr's message: “The school curriculum instills in most students only a dislike for reading.” That's a strange statement. Very strange! Is it scientifically substantiated? Statistics? Or is it because all your friends are as boorish as you are, they don't like to read, and therefore you take them for the majority? Ikhtiandr's message: “The current literature program was developed about 50 years ago and has hardly changed since then.” This is just RIDICULOUS. Just so you know: every year, the Department of Education reports on the changes and development of the program for any course, every subject. Development takes place year after year, always. Just so you know, in my regular school, children sit at laptops in literature lessons and read, discuss various genres with the teacher, even those that seem meaningless and talentless to me, such as "fantasy." Ikhtiandr's message: “I think it's long overdue to change not only the school curriculum, but even this change is not enough. First of all, it is necessary to improve the teaching methods for the teachers themselves. After all, who is the average school teacher these days? A woman who graduated from university and doesn't know where to go to work. A self-respecting man would never go to work as a school teacher (although I believe that this profession is primarily a male one). But why? Because the salary and status of a teacher in society are practically equal to the salary and status of a janitor. Well, what can such an average teacher teach children, let alone instill a love for literature? I think that in Russia, changes in this regard should not be expected for a very long time.” Don't put yourself in the position of the government or the Department of Education. People are smart without you, and they change things every year. Our teachers teach very well; in our schools, the average age of a teacher is 35-40 years. This is already a lot of experience. There are real, talented teachers! Women who graduate from pedagogical universities go to work at schools, often because they want to and love it! The work of a teacher is the work of a kind soul and love for children; more often than not, such people come to us than evil and callous ones. I am a man, and I will soon be 30 years old, and I came to work at a school MYSELF, and I respect myself. Now you have deeply offended me, but I perceive this only as a fact that you are a boy with little development, who would benefit from a good life lesson. And I can teach children everything that I know myself, and give them kindness and love. I have 24 students in my class, I am the class teacher, and they all love me, ALL! Each of them would go for me. I instilled a sense of love, responsibility, and friendship in them all. Someone else wrote that “That's a low salary, but not in the two capitals.” Yes, the salaries of teachers in Russia are indeed low. It is a myth that we get "a lot," believe me. Our salary consists of hours. Teachers of foreign languages and, of course, the principal earn a lot. The salary of a vice-principal at a school is 20,000 rubles. The salary for class teaching is now a bonus, about 3,000 rubles. The salary of a mathematics teacher without work experience with 18 hours is approximately 18,000 rubles. All this is for Moscow and per month. So, I came to school and received about 16-18 thousand (+income tax). Over time, the salary increases slightly due to an increase in the grade, which still needs to be defended. Here is the truth, you ignorant people. You have shamed and humiliated our school. How can you not be ashamed! You should play less and develop yourselves more! Shame on you!