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People want to create a story that completely satisfies them. A story where we are the strongest and most noble, and our enemies are miserable wretches. And the only way to defeat us is through treachery, and even then, they try to slander us afterward. People try to escape reality into their quasi-reality, and usually, this reality is not created by them. And such people are very easy to control – through various myths. So, we need to fight against these myths, tell people the truth, and make them think!!!
History is rewritten each time to suit the victors, and this has happened in all eras.
Твой дом там, где твоё сердце.
Все люди - братья, но в каждом из нас спит волк.
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If there was an explosion, then something huge exploded, but where did this something come from?
I don't know, the explanation is extremely simple, but very vague – "God has always been." But think about it, if we approach it scientifically, what was there before the explosion? I discussed this topic with a very experienced and respected atheist psychologist:
Me: Well, if God didn't create the Earth, then where did it come from (smiling)?
Her: There was a big bang, from which all the stars and planets appeared by combining particles. I don't know too much about it, though (laughs).
Me (making an interested face): And how did this explosion happen?
Her: Before the explosion, there were other planets and galaxies that ran out of energy and exploded.
Me (in a tone like a child asking questions, like "where do babies come from?"): And how did that universe come about?
Her: Also from a big bang.
Me: And where did that explosion come from?
Her: From another universe.
Me (now seriously): Okay, I understand. But where did all the explosions, all the universes, and all the galaxies come from in the first place? What started it all?
Her (uncertainly): Well... there was a big bang...

That's how it is :)
Бог есть любовь
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She (hesitantly): Well... there was a big explosion...

That's the point. :)
The thing is, no one will give an answer, just like no one knows where God came from; He didn't create Himself, did He!
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Even not all Christians understand this – God has always existed.
Бог есть любовь
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However, in many religions, gods are by no means eternal or primordial. Even in early Christianity, Jesus was not considered to be eternal.
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I am an Orthodox Christian.
I am also a believer. But I don't like people who shout at every corner about the evidence of God's existence, even if it's indirect, while providing false facts and portraying themselves as almost exposing a global conspiracy of scientists. The existence of God does not require proof - a person either believes or does not. And to be a believer, it is not necessary to go to temples, read prayers, and perform rituals. Faith is not about that.

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And in many religions, the gods are not eternal and not primordial. Even in early Christianity, Jesus was not considered pre-eternal.
Jesus is not God, but the son of God.
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I am also a believer. But I don't like people who shout at every corner about the evidence of God's existence, even if it's indirect, while providing false facts and portraying themselves as almost exposing a global conspiracy of scientists. The existence of God does not require proof - a person either believes or does not. And to be a believer, it is not necessary to go to temples, read prayers, and perform rituals. Faith is not about that.
This is exactly what the Gospel is about - people needed proof that Jesus was the son of God, which they constantly demanded. To which he replied: "Believe!" And they only believed in him after the miracle he performed!
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Apparently, ancient people understood the scripture too literally: why should light appear as a large flash or something like that? There is something to think about here. I don't remember exactly, but if you look closely at the first chapters, it turns out that scientific theories about the first life originating in the ocean confirm what is written in the Bible.
They understood it too literally. What if we apply the 7 days of creation to the scale of the entire Universe?
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Actually, in Christianity, one of the symbols of faith is the Trinity of God. This means that Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit are one. Therefore, they all existed from the beginning. But the problem is that this symbol of faith was adopted around the 6th century. And before that, there were such disputes among Christians that blood flowed like a river.
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The Ancients once again took the sacred scripture too literally. :)
The Ancients were much more intelligent than one might think. For example, the idea of an ether permeating the entire world seems like nonsense. However, modern mass theory (about where mass comes from) operates with the Higgs field (or rather, 2 fields), with which particles acquire mass when interacting. In essence, the field is similar to the electromagnetic field, but unlike it, when the energy of the Universe tends to a minimum, the field does not tend to 0, but has some value different from 0, while permeating the entire Universe. There you have it, the Ancients...

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Nowizard;57294
I don't know, the explanation is extremely simple, but very vague - "God was always there." But think about it, if we talk scientifically, what was there before the Big Bang? I discussed this topic with a very experienced and respected atheist psychologist:
Me: Well, if not God created the Earth, then where did it come from (smiling)?
Her: There was a Big Bang, from which all the stars and planets appeared, by combining particles. True, I don't know much about it (laughs).
Me (making an interested face): And how did this explosion happen?
Her: Before the explosion, there were other planets, galaxies that were depleted and exploded.
Me (in a tone, like a child asking questions, like "where do babies come from"): And how did that universe come about?
Her: Also from a Big Bang.
Me: And where did that explosion come from?
Her: From another universe.
Me (already seriously): Okay, I understand. And where did all the explosions, all the universes, and all the galaxies come from? Where did it ALL begin?
Her (uncertainly): Well... there was a Big Bang...

That's how it is :)
Very instructive.
According to modern Big Bang theory, there was no mass before it, only energy concentrated in a small volume. Where it came from is unlikely to be answered by anyone.

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In fact, one of the symbols of faith in Christianity is the Trinity of God. This means that Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit are one. This means that they all existed from the beginning. But the problem is that this symbol of faith was adopted around the 6th century. And before that, there were such disputes among Christians that blood flowed like a river.
Fanatics have always existed, and religion has been (and still is) used by many for purposes other than its intended purpose.
Твой дом там, где твоё сердце.
Все люди - братья, но в каждом из нас спит волк.
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Regarding the Big Bang, I believe that initially there was the Absolute (an unpersonified accumulation of energy), and the Absolute created the universe. The Christian God is a more personified representation of the Absolute (possessing traits of character and intellect), the Islamic God is another aspect of the Christian God, and Buddhist beliefs are about worshipping the balance of the Universe. Pagan gods are also personifications of narrower aspects of the Absolute, or personifications of people's own missions created by them. I hope I won't be burned at the stake for this?:)
I am a believer myself.
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Regarding the Big Bang, I believe that initially there was the Absolute (a non-personified accumulation of energy). The Absolute created the universe. The Christian God is a more personified representation of the Absolute (possessing the traits of character and reason). The Islamic God is another form of the Christian God. Buddhist beliefs are about worshipping the balance of the Universe. Pagan gods are also personifications of narrower aspects of the Absolute, or personifications of people's own missions created by them. I hope I won't be burned at the stake for this?:)
In the days of the Inquisition, a torch would already be reaching for the pile of firewood under your feet :D. But those times are over, so don't worry :).
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It is not for us to judge the origin of the universe. We still have much to learn about ourselves.
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It is necessary, it is necessary to explore the universe. It is necessary to explore oneself. And one should not set any boundaries for oneself in the pursuit of knowledge. And one should not live by stereotypes. By the way, I was thinking about something today. All the countries of the world have long understood that building their society according to the Western model is destructive. Nowhere is democracy and capitalism built voluntarily, only if under the threat of American bombs. And only Russia stubbornly tries to imitate. We have such a percentage of Westernizers that it is simply astonishing. I wonder, what is the reason?
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