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We need to explore the universe. We need to explore ourselves. And we shouldn't set any limits for ourselves in our exploration. And we shouldn't live by stereotypes.
By the way, I was thinking about something today. All the countries in the world have long understood that building their society based on the Western model is destructive. Nowhere is democracy and capitalism built voluntarily, only under the threat of American bombs. And only Russia stubbornly tries to imitate. We have such a percentage of Westernizers that it's simply astonishing. I wonder, what is the reason?
The reason is in the small, green pieces of paper ;) .
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There are many small green pieces of paper everywhere. And we had a lot of Westernizers and Western-minded people even before these papers appeared. The first Westernizer was Gostomysl, who called upon the Varangians. And even now, no other country has such a large number of people eager to imitate the West. It's a paradox.
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There are plenty of little green slips of paper everywhere. Even before these papers, we had many Westernizers, West-philes, and West-oids. The first Westernizer was Gostomysl, who called for the Varangians. And to this day, no other country has so many people wanting to monkey around. A paradox.
More like a habit.

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Consumption will be concentrated in Siberia...
For this, a higher population density in Siberia than what exists now is necessary (this density would have to approach that of the European part) => currently such concentration is possible only if Siberia separates from Russia.
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Production will be concentrated in Siberia as well...
This is entirely possible.
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There will be an influx of new labor from the European part of the country to Siberia.
Few people from the European part of the country are burning with desire to go live in Siberia. You wrote yourself how it was settled. Unless they come just to make a quick buck and then leave back home.

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The produced product will be distributed according to the labor invested in it.
Dreams, dreams... and not just yours.

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Power in the country will pass into the hands of younger Siberians. A harsh national policy will be conducted, up to the forced eviction of all illegal immigrants.
In general +1.

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Despite the proclaimed principle of the right of ethnicities to self-determination, Russia has no intention of observing it. An example is the ongoing war in Chechnya. Russians cannot understand that their ethnic rhythm does not match the Chechen one and never will.
Simply put, other Caucasian ethnicities would have followed Chechnya. And a dozen Caucasian states would have been formed, which would hardly live in peace (just remember Georgia with its Abkhazia and South Ossetia). Russia is simply liquidating a small pocket of war to prevent it from spreading.

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But I understand that if Siberia wants freedom, the Chechen scenario will repeat itself. And just as Russia now fights for Chechen oil, covering itself with the slogan of preserving the territorial integrity of the country, it will also fight for Siberian riches, covering itself with the same slogan.
The thing is, Russians believe that Siberians are also Russians. And the people are unlikely to agree to wage such a war, which would be doomed to failure as well. I think politicians understand this too. Therefore, the most likely scenario here is a series of contract killings of activists advocating for Siberia's separation from Russia.
Moreover, the political situation now differs from that in the early 90s when the Chechen war began.

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Lomonosov was right when he said: "Russian power will grow through Siberia." Russia indeed grows rich from Siberian wealth. And only miserable crumbs remain for Siberia itself.
And very little remains for all of Russia too. The bulk of the money settles in the pockets of a handful of people.
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But these riches play a double role – they ruin both Siberia and Russia. Siberia because it is ruthlessly exploited. Siberian resources are extracted by the labor of Siberians, which are then sent to Russia. Siberia gets poorer and poorer. But these riches also ruin Russia. It becomes accustomed to living at others' expense, producing nothing, only consuming.
And what do you understand by production? Only the extraction of resources? Production also consists of manufacturing finished products from raw materials. Simply put, climatic conditions and, to a greater extent, population concentration make it more economically viable to locate such production in the European part of Russia.
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It becomes accustomed to living at others' expense, producing nothing, only consuming.
I want to note that Siberia consumes food resources produced in the southern part of European Russia.
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But these riches play a double role – they ruin both Siberia and Russia. Siberia because it is ruthlessly exploited. Siberian resources are extracted by the labor of Siberians, which are then sent to Russia. Siberia gets poorer and poorer. But these riches also ruin Russia. It becomes accustomed to living at others' expense, producing nothing, only consuming.
The Russian political power today is busy lining its own pockets (largely at Siberia's expense), and remembers ordinary people when elections are just around the corner.

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From the very moment Siberia joined Russia, it was used as a colony. Local tribes were burdened with tribute, and the conquerors gained the right to collect it. The only leniency for Siberia was the absence of serfdom, a forced measure related to vast territories and low population density. At that time, no one yet thought about Siberia's minerals. It was used as a penal colony for exiles and as a supplier of timber and fur.
What, was the capital of Russia supposed to move there immediately?
Quoting: "a forced measure related to vast territories and low population density." Add climatic conditions to this, and you will understand why it was used exactly as you wrote.

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But at the end of the 19th – beginning of the 20th centuries, mineral development began. By now, this process has reached a catastrophic scale.
In what sense—that they extract wherever possible? Or did you mean something else?
This problem cannot be solved by separation.
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From the above, it is clear that Siberia is used by Russia as a colony, a raw material appendage. And this is all despite the proclaimed equality of all ethnic groups in the country. Siberians are viewed as inferior people whose lot is to feed Russians. Russia buys the most talented Siberians and leaves the rest for Siberia.
The thing is, Russians believe that Siberians are also Russians. And for those in power, we are all just trash under their feet, regardless of where we live.
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In this regard, I will allow myself to contradict L. N. Gumilev. According to his theory, the Russian ethnos should currently be in the inertial phase of its ethnogenesis. But from my point of view, everything indicates that the Russian ethnos is in the same obscuration phase. I can make such an assumption based on the Russians' attitude toward nature – ruthless exploitation; toward education – increasing its cost and preventing large layers of the population from accessing it; toward culture – mostly compilations. Such acceleration of the ethnic process is linked, in my opinion, to the increased speed of people's movement (the gene pool of ethnicities) and information exchange (it's easier to propagate new ideas). In this connection, I believe that the Siberian ethnos, born at the end of the 19th century, is now entering the peak of its power – the acmatic phase.
I am superficially familiar with Gumilev's theory, but perhaps you are right here.

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The European part of Russia produces almost nothing and lives by robbing Siberia. Oil, coal, iron, diamonds, and much more are taken from there. If we go by market laws, these resources must be paid for. In real life, it is not that simple. Resources are mostly exported to Europe, and the resulting profit mainly settles in the European part of the country.
They do pay for them, only the laws in the country are such that resources belong to whoever extracted them, not to whoever's land they were extracted from, upholding the interests, again, of a small group of people (these laws are complete nonsense).
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Moreover, Russia pursues a conscious policy of eradicating Siberian ethnic self-awareness. Words are heard everywhere: "We are one nation! We are Russians! Down with regional separatism!" These words destroy in the young generation the awareness that they are Siberians, not like Russians. And most current teenagers do not consider themselves Siberians, but consider themselves Russians.
This policy is aimed not at Siberia, but at uniting all peoples living in Russia.
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Moreover, Russia pursues a conscious policy of eradicating Siberian ethnic self-awareness. Words are heard everywhere: "We are one nation! We are Russians! Down with regional separatism!" These words destroy in the young generation the awareness that they are Siberians, not like Russians. And most current teenagers do not consider themselves Siberians, but consider themselves Russians.
Russia does not want to understand that Siberians are not Russians. But as soon as this is mentioned, accusations of unpatrioticism, separatism, and nationalism begin.
What difference does it make if you are Russian, Siberian, Tatar, American, Chinese, or anyone else. Maybe stop shouting that WE ARE THIS AND THAT and that we cannot go the same way with you others. How many more wars and victims do you need to understand that these statements about ethnic difference (I mean everyone who says this worldwide) only lead to interethnic hatred and no one becomes better off from it. Maybe stop seeing a person's national affiliation and start seeing the human being instead?
Of course I understand: biological laws for protecting one's genes in subsequent generations still play a main role in human behavior, but humans have become more of a social being and it is time to start teaching children to think of humanity as a single whole, not as a gathering of mismatched nations who have nothing better to do than shout about their uniqueness.

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Russia does not want to understand that Siberians are not Russians.
And who makes up the Russian ethnos?

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Therefore, the average salary in the European part far exceeds the average Siberian one, although the cost of living here is higher because conditions are harsher.
And what is the average salary in Siberia?
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The Russian ethnicity consists of: Slavs + Turks + Ugro-Finns + other small groups. The composition of the Siberian ethnicity is generally the same, but:
1 - As a result of various natural-climatic and geographical conditions, a special "regional type of Russian nationality" was formed (not my phrase, this is P.A. Slovtsov - the first Siberian historian).
2 - Because the most active elements of the Russian ethnicity (and others as well) ended up in Siberia — Decembrists, Cossacks, exiles, etc. — the Siberian ethnicity overall became more passionary and energetic.
All this leads to the difference between Siberians and Russians. Plus, add the psychology of a colony population.

Average salary across Siberia: 5-7 thousand. At the same time, keep in mind that costs for heating, winter clothing, etc., are much higher than in the European part. For example, in Yakutia, one set of winter clothes requires spending 15-20 thousand. That's how it is.
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The average salary in Siberia is 5-7 thousand. Keep in mind that expenses for heating, winter clothes, etc., are much higher than in the European part. For example, in Yakutia, you need to spend 15-20 thousand on one set of winter clothes. That's how it is.
And the same is true for us (I live 100 km from Moscow): 6-7 on average, and in villages, there is almost no money at all. Although our winter is not as cold, winter clothes are still needed for everyone. Heating costs, of course, vary.

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The Russian ethnic group consists of: Slavs + Turkic peoples + Ugro-Finnic peoples + other small groups. The composition of the Siberian ethnic group is generally the same, but:
1 - As a result of various natural, climatic, and geographical conditions, a special, "regional type of Russian nationality" has formed (not my phrase, this is P.A. Slovtsov - the first Siberian historian).
2 - As a result of the fact that the most active element of the Russian ethnic group (and others) ended up in Siberia - Decembrists, Cossacks, exiles, etc. - the Siberian ethnic group as a whole turned out to be more passionate and energetic.
All this leads to the difference between Siberians and Russians. Plus, add the psychology of the population of a colony.
Thank you for the explanation.
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You're welcome. I'm glad that this topic interests not only me. In general, quite a lot was written in the second half of the 19th century about the differences between the Russian and Siberian ethnic groups. These were: Slovtsov, Shchapov, Potanin, Yadrintsev, and others, the so-called regionalists. However, almost all of them ended up in a bad way. There were also the so-called Eurasianists, who simply stated that Russia is not only made up of Russians. Russia is Eurasia, populated by Eurasian peoples who are close in spirit.
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Alright, fellow necromancer enthusiasts...
What do you think, is Death a she or a he?
Страшней драколича зверя нет!
Жаль, не лебедь я...

Сандро (не)жив! :D :D :D

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В сказке грусти синей я один, как бог... (с)
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Death is she, life is she, the unknown is she, the mystery is she... in general, it's all like a woman who seduces with her unknowability and whom you strive to understand in one way or another.
Настоящие герои - не те, пред кем мы преклоняемся, а те, кого мы оплевываем...[/COLOR]
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"So much has gone
and little is new"

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So, you're saying I'm not Hamlet?:) Who knows... We're all a bit like Hamlet because we're concerned about life, in a philosophical sense, and also about death... otherwise, questions like the one above about the Dracolich wouldn't arise. And that's because death can be understood, or it can't, but sooner or later, well, you know...
Настоящие герои - не те, пред кем мы преклоняемся, а те, кого мы оплевываем...[/COLOR]
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"So much has gone
and little is new"

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Hamlet is a generalizing figure here... I think this is the key theme of Shakespeare's play, and that's why this play still resonates with people so deeply.
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"So much has gone
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It’s not a state, it’s a moment. And then, it’s the afterlife.
I’ve always just thought of Death as being male. :)
Страшней драколича зверя нет!
Жаль, не лебедь я...

Сандро (не)жив! :D :D :D

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One night, I was pondering who is stronger: Heaven or Hell! I reasoned that neither could ever win – neither Heaven nor Hell. If there were a continuous struggle between them, every person would feel the consequences. If evil ruled, people would feel like slaves and suffer under oppression; if good ruled, people would feel well-being and joy. But as it is, there is no advantage for either side. Therefore, all of this is controlled by a third force – Death! The transitional stage between life and the choice of Hell or Heaven; that which brings balance to Earth and the universe; that which truly reigns on Earth! After all, on Earth, some do not want to die, while others do, but most do not think about it. The world is full of both justice and injustice: everything is in balance!:cool:
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