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Offline Happy Life
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anus clenched, bayonet sharpened
butt hurt
These are different things, don't confuse them.
Of course, but I never stated that making the game more complex would be beneficial.
In that case, is there nothing in the second and third paragraphs of post #3365, the second half of the second paragraph, to be exact, because you'll nitpick at any little thing? Are you going to deny that? Will you write "I said something at some point, I wrote something"?
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In that case, were the second and third paragraphs from post #3365, the second half of the sentence in the second paragraph, if we are being extremely precise, completely fabricated? Will you deny this? Will you write "I once said something, I once wrote something"?
I didn't quite understand this part of the post, but never mind, I'll skim through post 3365.
Of course, this is a wonderful position – to demand quotes from dozens and dozens of pages ago, because, as we both well understand, no one will spend three hours digging them up, which means this can serve as a trump card so that people "could not possibly doubt the truth of the words."
What started the current discussion?
I wrote a post with a suggestion to conduct a rather complex game, but I also added that
A few months ago, I already wrote that it would be good to slightly reduce the difficulty of the games.
It's an ordinary, unremarkable message in essence, however, you absolutely had to find something to criticize, you wrote that you don't remember that, literally accusing me of writing about something that didn't actually happen, that is, lying.
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I'll say it again about what I said before – the game needs to be simplified. Fewer non-displayed actions, remove the notes. This time, the roles and features were great, but again – executions based on notes, transparent roles based on the same notes and moves in the newspaper.
Unlike you, I didn't take a wonderful position, claiming that searching for old messages is not a noble thing to do and no one will do it, but I quoted my own post, which I had mentioned before, confirming my words. You continue to babble about something, without providing proof (by the way, this also applies to the second paragraph of your message). What else could be unclear? Everything is perfectly clear.
It is for this reason, by the way, that you hardly did any non-displayed actions in the twenty-first game, not to mention the fact that there was no role at all without non-displayed actions. And you personally wrote that.
The fact that that game was quite complex and there were no roles without non-displayed actions does not contradict my opinion that the game should be simplified. I may have one opinion on the issue as a whole, but I may do things differently, based on other goals. The essence remains the same in any case – I did not express support for making games more difficult.

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If you had responded normally to a normal message, I would have reconsidered my words and accepted the fact that I might actually be wrong here. Deep down, I would still remain true to my memory, rather than to some half-baked, dubious posts from a person who changes their opinions like gloves.
But this:
however, you had to find something to criticize, you wrote that you don't remember it, literally accusing me of writing about something that didn't actually happen, that is, lying
and this:
The fact that that game was quite difficult and lacked roles without non-player characters in no way contradicts my opinion that the game should have been simplified. I may have one opinion on the issue as a whole, but I may do things differently, based on other goals.
is a completely different matter. If you blew five neutral words out of proportion and even thought that you were being accused of one of the deadly sins and sentenced, then words have some meaning. And indeed, the second quote from these two helped to understand what was going on. It doesn't matter what games you play and what guides you when thinking about roles; it doesn't matter what you say here and there without quoting – in reality, everything is completely different from what it seems, and proof of this is one statement out of ten, located in the middle; a post inspired by an obvious overdoing of difficulty in a private game. Someone might call this inconsistency, which is certainly a shameful thing, worthy of reproach, and it's no wonder that you need to avoid even the most indirect accusations of it from anyone; someone might call it multiple standards, but since everything external is just a facade, and the real essence is hidden inside from prying eyes, that very core, the ultimate opinion that a person has always had, and to which one can always refer as a standard to defend against alleged attacks, then yes, in this case I was wrong and I apologize for accusing you of lying with my careless words; I passed a harsh sentence of public condemnation. Next time, when I talk to you, I will be more careful and will carefully weigh every word so as not to accidentally hurt you with seemingly harmless statements.
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I found several posts here:
/post/414271/
/post/493288/
/post/495819/
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Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
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If you blow something like that out of proportion from five neutral words.
I'm getting a little tired of the constant, unfounded accusations and I felt it was necessary to point out to you that it wouldn't hurt to pay attention to what you say. You can express yourself in whatever rough, rural tone you want; I don't care, but if you are going to make an accusation against someone, try to have some evidence. And not just write your very important and relevant opinion here and there.
it doesn't matter that you talk here and there without quoting anything
In this situation, I didn't need to confirm anything with quotes (and yet I found one of my old posts), because you are trying to prove that I previously expressed myself differently than I am now.

Here, thank you, Nebo. A person who seemingly isn't participating in the argument, however, managed to find some posts, which you were unable to do.
http://forum.heroesworld.ru/showpost...&postcount=730
It is difficult to say anything about this message. If we believe the date indicated in the quote (13.06.2009), it was written when Mafia had just appeared on ХВ, and also when Lokena wasn't here, if I'm not mistaken. In any case, back then we only played simple games, and it was quite natural to want to try something more complex.
http://forum.heroesworld.ru/showpost...postcount=1686
A good example, simply confirming my words.
/post/495819/
What I quoted at the beginning of the conversation.

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I'm also tired of a lot of things, but I rarely allow myself to lecture anyone or tell them what they should do. Do you get it?
I have every right to question anyone's words, especially if I do so in a casual tone, not necessarily fully trusting what a person is writing at the moment, especially if I've seen something different before, and without violating the forum rules. Do you have a problem? Maybe you really do have a problem, that you perceived a perfectly normal message as if I had poured a bucket of accusations and insults on you? In that case, these are your personal quirks and your personal paranoia, and I'm not going to take responsibility for that. Especially since I already made an exception, letting your tedious, completely irrelevant, and falsely triggered defensive reaction slide in the end of the previous post, as you may have noticed.

As for the date of the post and whether I was on the forum or not, you could be a little smarter and just look at the date of the post in which this was quoted. And even if the monstrous coincidence turns out to be that I understood your desire to complicate things directly from this post, and indirectly from those other statements, which I cannot be sure of, then it is your fault that, due to your narrow-mindedness, you rush to justify yourself and accuse me in return, without bothering to remember all the aspects.
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It's time you learned to admit when you're wrong, Locken. You haven't provided any evidence to support your claim that I expressed support for making games more complex, which is the main topic of our conversation. By the way, I didn't think you'd cling to such a flimsy argument. It seems to be the only way you can try to justify yourself, because your pride won't allow you to admit you were wrong, right?
You could be a little smarter and just look at the date of the post that was quoted.
It's not at all clear why that post was quoted. Maybe it was just a coincidence, or maybe not. Either way, it doesn't affect the main point, or the original date of the post.
Back then, we were only playing simple games, and it was perfectly natural to want to try something more challenging.
And even if, by some incredible coincidence, my desire for more complexity was directly understood from that post
This shows how you're making assumptions and having a narrow perspective. Based on a single message left three years ago, you formed your own idea of someone else's opinion, and now you're stubbornly insisting on it.

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I acknowledged my possible mistake in post #3378 under specific conditions, which you conveniently ignored, as you only quote selected passages, possibly because your actions, as we have already established, do not align with your stated position. I also provided justification for my thoughts regarding your attitude towards increasing complexity.
I will not allow myself to be accused of attempting a comprehensive assessment of the situation or of something I did not do or did not intend. The rest is just another example of rehashing old arguments and pointless repetition. I have nothing more to say.
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perhaps because your actions, as we have already established, have nothing to do with your position.
Once again, you are distorting the facts. I explained my position regarding the complexity of the settings and why I might have created complex games, in a clear and simple manner.
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I will not allow myself to be accused of attempting a comprehensive assessment of the situation and of something I did not do or did not mean.
Morning
so words have some meaning.
I wouldn't say it's a comprehensive assessment of the situation, rather a very subjective one, as it is based solely on your memories, and as we have already established, they are not entirely accurate.

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Will it be necessary to use voice chat?
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Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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Yeah, ten people in one chat room trying to outshout each other!
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Well, I'm a little embarrassed :З
Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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