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I propose organizing a tournament, something like "Mirror Wars" or "Civil War". The current draft system prevents playing with identical castles. At the same time, several players prefer to choose different heroes from the same faction at the start – this would create an opportunity to compare them in-game: Crag, Gurnisson, Gundula, etc., or Tazar, Bron, and Vistan. The main requirement is to play with identical castles. Dungeon should either be excluded or the Miner should be banned from the start. Naturally, the rules will require some clarifications.

Is it possible to implement my proposal?
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Is it possible to implement my suggestion?
Contact me on ICQ, and we can discuss it.
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I propose organizing a tournament, something like "Mirror Wars" or "Civil War." The current draft system prevents playing with identical castles. At the same time, several players prefer to choose different heroes from the same faction at the start – this would create an opportunity to compare them in the game: Crag, Gurnisson, Gundula, etc., or Tazar, Bron, and Vistan. The main requirement is to play with identical castles. Either remove the Dungeon or ban the Miner from the start. Naturally, the rules will require some clarification.

Is it possible to implement my proposal?
Regarding the main hero, here's the following suggestion: the blue player chooses the starting hero first, but the red player has the right to ban from 0 to 3 heroes, meaning that neither the blue nor the red player can choose them as starting heroes.

This way, not only are situations where one hero is much better than the others eliminated, but also situations where the second-strongest hero significantly outperforms everyone except the first. For example, for the Dungeon, this is Gunnar. For the Rampart, it's Ivor (although we can still consider Enova).

Regarding the Miner and Gosh (maybe someone else), it's worth setting a restriction that if they appear with troops, a restart is required.
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As a member of the OC (Organizing Committee), I propose that we work together with ABI (Academy of Combat Arts) to discuss and vote on implementing a guarantor system for the "novice" category in tournaments...
more details can be found here, posts 82, 84, 86
Question 1
Is such a system needed, or are other systems required to reduce the number of "inactive players" in these types of tournaments?
Question 2
If the results of the voting on the first question are satisfactory, it will be necessary to create a list of forum members who are willing to voluntarily perform the functions of guarantors.
P.S. Waiting for comments from members of the OC, ABI, and, of course, from "Tormoshitel"
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I support the idea of providing a guarantee, but I also want to say:
1. Experience shows that in the first Novice tournament, there were no inactive players, and everything was played within the allotted time with a minimum of controversial situations!!!
2. Viktor (Kash) personally checks each participant and discusses the rules with everyone, and I am very grateful to him for that...
3. There are indeed many participants, and this kind of insurance would be very appropriate...
4. I personally communicate with some of the players, helped them figure out the online system, and I am ready to vouch for at least 10 people, thank you for your attention...
Ушел с героев, пока пряники)
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As a member of the OC (Organizing Committee), I propose that, together with the ABI (Academy of Combat Arts), we discuss and vote on the introduction of a guarantor system for the "novice" category in tournaments...
more details can be found here, posts 82, 84, 86
Question 1
Is "such" a system, or other systems for reducing the number of "ghost accounts" in these types of tournaments, needed?
Question 2
In the event of satisfactory results from the vote on the first question, a list of forum members willing to voluntarily perform the functions of guarantors should be opened.
P.S. I am waiting for comments from members of the OC, ABI, and, of course, from "Tormoshitel".
As an organizer of the tournament, I will allow myself not to comply with the system :)
In other, "adult" tournaments, do whatever you want...
But I don't need extra hassle. Yes, there will be "ghost accounts," it's obvious. But I'm not going to fight them, or involve a bunch of people for that purpose. It will be a Sisyphean task.

Leave me my sandbox.

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Viktor (Kash) personally checks each participant and talks to each one about compliance with the regulations.
Don't exaggerate, Roma. I don't have that much free time to get to know everyone. I see many of them for the first time and have never spoken to them
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As the organizer of the tournament, I'll allow myself to deviate from the system. :)
In other, "adult" tournaments, do whatever you want...
But I don't need extra hassle. Yes, there will be "dead souls," that's obvious. But fighting them and involving a bunch of people for this, I'm not going to do. It will turn into Sisyphean labor.

Just leave me my sandbox.

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Don't exaggerate, Roma. I don't have that much free time to get to know everyone. I'm seeing many of them for the first time and have never spoken to them.


As they say, the old and proven is a good solution. Let's see how it turns out; Kesh has everything under control and at a high level, and the quantity isn't that important!!!:D
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I think all sorts of guarantees are unnecessary. The main point of this tournament is not to play it through and win, but to test your skills online! For some, it might be a tough challenge, while others might not have enough free time, etc. We just need a normal selection process, and from the playoff stage, there will be a real competition! I don't see anything wrong with that. :smile50:
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In my opinion, all sorts of guarantees are unnecessary. The main point of this tournament is not to play it through and win, but to test your skills online! For some, it might be a tough challenge, while others might not have enough free time, etc. We just need a normal selection process, and the playoffs will be the real competition! I don't see any problem with that. :smile50:
Well, yes, it's logical. What difference does it make to the tournament organizers whether someone vouched for a newcomer or not? If they didn't vouch, should they not be allowed to participate in the tournament? And in the "adult" category, of course, only those who have played at least a dozen or so online matches and have somehow proven themselves should be accepted...
Всем удачи ! И Морали !
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Guarantees are a very complex issue. Even in real life, mistakes happen often, and in our virtual world...

In my opinion.
If a player I respect contacts me, as a tournament organizer, and asks me to vouch for a new player, help with activation, saying that he knows him, has been playing with him for 5 years, and he's from [resource name], my reaction will probably be clear. Such a guarantee is both necessary and useful – for the player and for the organizer.
Or, again, a good acquaintance of mine says about an unknown player – I've played with him more than 10 times – everything was fine, and this will be significant for me.
But recently, something like this happened. A new player registered for the tournament, asked a lot, and promised. He referred to another player, whom I've known for over a year – a fellow countryman, we've been playing together for a long time... The result – both played half of their games and disappeared. Without explanation or apology. Should both be put on the "Black List" for disrespecting the tournament?
A year ago, many players would have readily vouched for a well-known player from two resources.
If you set a goal, you can deceive anyone, regardless of their level of trust/naivety/vigilance.

And I've already discussed this with Vitya. Yes, the current "Newcomer," especially in light of recent events, causes serious concerns for the AC, not so much because of "smurfs," but because of clones and cheaters. But how will Cash check this now? He's already overwhelmed with work. I would definitely help ABI, but I have no ideas at all... We'll have to work on it as the tournament progresses. Therefore, both the organizers and the AC insist on attaching saves to the reports.
Maybe in the future, we can include in the regulations conditions for participants – registration on the forum for at least 1 month, at least 5 and no more than 50(?) games in the season?

Then, how will new players find a guarantor? When I joined the forum, I didn't know anyone. One or two games with well-known players don't prove anything. Personally, I won't be able to take responsibility for any of the new players.

"Mentorship" for new players is a good thing, and ABI has been doing this for six months. I know that they help, advise, teach, and find opponents... Should we involve more people in this?

In general, nothing useful comes to mind on how to organize this. If you, Alex, come up with something, even if it's not very strict, some kind of scheme, it would be good. But making such a guarantee mandatory is unclear, and it's hard to see how it could be done.
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What makes you want to complicate things so much? :) Even though Pete is writing everything to the point, I wasn't insisting on mandatory save attachments, and there's nothing about it in the rules. Sorry, but I won't be looking at all the saves :smile38: It will be enough for me if the most suspicious players send them to me in a private message, and suddenly they realize that they are playing with this cheater that everyone is trying to catch. And I'll also say right away that I won't look at saves if the game hasn't ended in one of two ways: there is a result of the game, or the players have completely messed up and don't intend to continue. I will insist on that everyone does that.
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...I wasn't insisting on attaching saves, and there's nothing about it in the rules.
Sorry, but I won't be looking at all the saves :smile38:
I will insist on everyone doing it, though...
I meant not just the "Novice" tournament...
I try to get players used to this in my tournaments, but even I often forget to attach my own saves:rolleyes:
And I don't look at all the saves either. But sometimes, after reading a report, it's interesting to take a look, especially if it was a good game, to learn something, and asking players to send saves is a bit awkward; they might think there are some suspicions... But if the save is there, you can download it whenever you want... It's convenient.
In general, I would like it to be...
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I didn't just mean the "Novice" tournament...
In my tournaments, I try to encourage players to do this, but even I often forget to attach my own save files:rolleyes:
And I don't review all the save files either. But sometimes, after reading a report, it's interesting to take a look, especially if it was a strong game, to learn something, and asking players to send save files feels awkward; they might think there are some suspicions... But if the save file is available, you can download it whenever you want... It's convenient.
In general, it would be nice if everyone attached their save files. But they also need to be taught how to do it :) Let them learn to create save files first, and then we'll teach them to attach them after the initial selection process...
Sing, you're right, it would also be good if everyone attached their save files. But they also need to be taught how to do it :) Let them learn to create save files for starters, and after the initial selection, we'll teach them to attach them.
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We coordinated with the organizers and here is what we came up with:

Preliminary schedule of tournaments and contests for 2010.


On January 8th, the official "2010" tournament starts. /Host: Javdet, real prizes have been announced, registration is open; we hope to gather a large and strong group of participants. Depending on the number of participants, we will decide on awarding medals under avatars to the Winner and prize winners, and providing tickets to FB-3/

The Best Report Contest 2009 has started - Host: KostyaN

In January, we will hold competitions in the following Nominations:
Player of 2009 - Host: KostyaN
Novichok 2009 - Host: Kash
For contribution to the development of the Heroes community - Host: Dirty_Player
What other suggestions are there for Nominations?

February-March - InterPortal
February-May - FB-2-spring10 (Best final) - Host: Dubrovin Pavel
March-June - OFB-3 (selection for FB-autumn) - 2-3 tickets to FB-3

Our players want a Cup. I have long wanted to organize it using the Full Double Elimination system; I plan to start registration in March, just as "2010" group games end and people from the Cup will be eliminated on the Portal by that time.

April - Tournament on TE - Host: StickyFingaz.

June-August - Summer Novichok 2010

August-November - FB-3-autumn 2010
September-December - OFB-4 in spring 2011
September-December - another Very Big tournament, for example, Favorites-3 with tickets to FB4.

November - Seasons

? Team Tournament
? Clan War
We talked with Tanya. Previously, there were 2 team tournaments and 2 clan wars organized per year. Now there are many other tournaments. After the summer clan war, people did not express a desire to play a team tournament. Perhaps, to increase interest, we should hold one team tournament and one clan war per year? What deadlines?
It would be possible to start the team tournament in April, when InterPortal ends, and the clan war - in October.

Also planned are permanent tournaments:
Sergeant - loi is going to continue; there is interest and activity in the first tournament.
TK3 - Volodya wants to take a break, then depending on the players' activity, he will decide on the timing of the next one.

There will probably be more small tournaments; I kindly ask organizers to distribute their organizational efforts evenly throughout the year.
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