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Suggestion for tournament organizers: don't allow players who have played less than 10 tournament games or 20 ranked games to participate in the tournament. If this is known to everyone, it will become clear who is striving to participate in tournaments and who is not. And don't give discounts to cheaters.
Good luck!
MMM... how will you calculate that?? :rolleyes: I, for example, have probably played only 1 or 2 ranked games in total. (well, I don't play often - nothing can be done about it!).
And I don't play in tournaments very often... maybe I've played about ten games... in total :) Although I'm not even sure.

So - should I not be taken seriously? Should I not be allowed to participate in the tournament? And how will I get those 10 tournament games then??? :smile10: No... such a criterion, IMHO, is not correct in all situations.
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
Лидер клана "Из многих единое"

Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
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For example, I've probably played only 1 or 2 games in the rating system in total. (Well, I don't play often – nothing can be done about it!).
If a person rarely plays regular games (due to lack of time), it's unlikely that they will suddenly start playing tournament games often (at least, not on time).

So, should I not be taken seriously? Should I not be allowed to participate in the tournament?
Yes.

But how will I then get those 10 tournament games??? :smile10: Nooo... this criterion, in my opinion, is not valid in all situations.
I meant that at the time of introduction (if it happens) of such a rule, some people will have played the required number of tournament games, and others will have played rating games...
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The One Who... she's a quiet, gentle angel, why are you acting like this? And by the way, I hope you remember that all angels always deal maximum damage? :)
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I don't want to go off-topic, but I have to say something...
Those who have been playing for more than a year know who she is – "ThatOne," and even if this rule is introduced, it's unlikely to apply to Tatiana...
Sorry, guys, for their ignorance, good luck...
Ушел с героев, пока пряники)
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Let me summarize some of the interim results of the survey. About 30 people have already actively participated in it. Regarding the first question – about the nominations. Players clearly support the "Rookie of the Year" and "Player of the Year" nominations, and there is also a desire to reward someone who has made a significant contribution to the development of online HOMM3 throughout the year. The "Clan of the Year" nomination did not receive support. Perhaps we will return to this issue at some point. The "Best Player for each of the 9 races in Heroes3" nomination is of interest to almost everyone; we still need to think about it and discuss it. Similarly, rewarding active participation in online tournaments – we still need to consider this. Let's start with the "Rookie-2008" nomination. We discussed the details with Kash yesterday. ABI is ready to start working on it and will soon determine the competition rules and create a topic in the Tournament section. Personally, I envision the award here as a Golden Chalice under the avatar – you can take a miniature from the game – a helmet-chalice, and the image – a beautiful, shiny golden chalice with the inscription "Rookie-2008". I'm not very good at drawing, so I won't undertake to materialize the idea. And the nomination can be called "Golden Chalice - 2008". Other suggestions for the award would also be interesting. Please suggest them. We could announce a competition for the description of the image and the image itself. The fourth question – defining a rookie. This is what I'm trying to figure out for ABI ;) – Kash, take note, maybe it will be useful. There are some interesting ideas.
Kluka
"a rookie is someone who, on average (playing with medium-strength castles, on a standard map), cannot capture Utopia on the 4th week."
Last summer, I had the idea to organize a tournament where the condition for winning the game was to capture Utopia as early as possible. Perhaps ABI will come up with something sensible and interesting about this.
Psyche_7
A person who: - is not in the TOP-10; - has not been in the top 3 in any tournament (or a larger range, depending on the number of participants); - has played less than 20 ranked games or 10 tournament games; - has never won against more than 1 player from the current TOP-10 or the winner of any tournament. This applies to HW; it is also necessary to check other resources.
Dirty_Player
A rookie is a person who has played less than 10 online games or has a rating below 1400 after 10 games. (Something like that. The numbers need to be clarified!)
ZYbr
a player with little or no experience playing online.
Деконтаминатор
a rookie is someone who has recently appeared on the Heroes3-online forum and is not a regular on other similar sites.
A.S.
a rookie is a person who has been playing HMM against the computer for 6 years and has only recently realized that you can also play it online, and he is in a state of shock when he learns how it works. In short, in my opinion, an HW rookie is a person who is not familiar with online HMM but is well familiar with HMM itself.
Alex_R
An HW rookie is a user who has less than 3 wins against players who are not HW rookies.
Smoke_mk
a rookie in online/offline games is someone who has not only just come to the forum but also does not know the rules and intricacies of online/offline games.
SpiriTT
4. A rookie is a player for whom it is important to know his level of play, who has questions during the game: "Why...", but who cannot answer them himself due to inexperience and lack of knowledge of many tricks. Moreover, this player should not be afraid to ask such questions to players of the following "categories": middle-level players, top players, legends.
Regarding the second and third questions – about the main tournament and rewarding the winners – I haven't summarized the results yet.
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Sorry if this is off-topic; I rarely visit the forum, so I'll just say what's on my mind... 1. If a topic is being discussed, it means we really need it! 2. The fewer prizes, the more valuable they are. Let's say "Rookie of the Year" and "Player of the Year" would be more than enough. 3. Medals are only for champions!!! There are many tournaments now, and there will probably be even more. We'll be drowning in medals, and they will lose their significance. Now about the upcoming main tournament of our forum. In brief: 1. There may be even better tournaments, say, games between the elites of several forums, etc., but in terms of the ratio of "player level + participation," the new tournament should be unmatched. 2. Players should make a gentleman's agreement to promote our forum. Players like Pete, LeBron, Mizrael, Scorp, VBN, Alex R, Джавдет, Dubrovin Pavel, Decontaminator, Dreamcatcher, etc., a total of 15-20 people, should confirm their participation to the organizers, thereby raising the level of the tournament to the highest level. We all know each other well, so we can take some time for such a tournament without letting our friends down. 3. New players will also be interested in participating in such a tournament, as they don't know the strength of many players, and it would be interesting for them to compete with the veterans. In general, we can easily get about 30 people this way. 4. Then, we will definitely contact friends from our forum on other resources, such as Neo, Captain, Rebelius, Cobra, Stinger, and offer them to participate in a major tournament. I think they won't refuse. People with a lot of gaming experience will take it seriously if the tournament is well organized. 5. As always, many completely new people will join. There may be "hidden" experienced players and complete beginners, you can't guess. 6. Tournament format. The first tournaments were in groups of 4 people; it's enough to remember Adelaide's seasonal tournaments and Eugene's tournaments. They are convenient because you can't cheat. For example, if 40 people sign up, say, 8 groups of 5 people. Therefore, this is 8 mini-tournaments. And here you can immediately see who played the matches quickly and conscientiously, and who is dragging things out and cheating. Let's say, a month for the games, and after a couple of weeks, it's already clear who will play fairly and who will fool around. The Swiss system is also good; I advocated for it at one time, but there are more opportunities to cheat here. A naval term - the fleet moves at the speed of the slowest ship, so all 40 people are waiting for the slowest pair, in the next round they are waiting for the slowest again, and most likely it is a different pair. But with group tournaments, you are given a month - so plan your 3-4 games. And from the viewer's point of view, it is more convenient to watch the games in groups. 7. The weak point of group tournaments is the draw. When 3-4 strong players end up in one group, and in another, there is only one. I remember cases when no one could get out of some groups. Therefore, as in Krasnodar and St. Petersburg, there was an artificial draw. For example, 8 groups, 40 people, 5 tiers are created, as in club football and basketball tournaments. 1st tier - say, the strongest guests, for example, Cobra, Paladin, Neo, Vitalik, Stinger... 8 guests. 2nd tier - the strongest players from our forum - Mizrael, Scorp, Pete, LeBron, VBN, Alex R... also 8 people. 3rd tier - just strong players who did not make it into the first two tiers. 4th tier - new players who have performed well. 5th tier - just complete beginners. Of course, everything written is just a template, but the essence is clear. 8. Who conducts such a draw? Judges. Let's say, in group A, a player from tier 1 is drawn, then from tier 2, etc. As a result, 8 groups of approximately equal strength. Of course, we will not achieve perfect equality - some of the newcomers may turn out to be strong players, and some of the favorites may not be in good shape... but these will rather be exceptions. But we need to recruit responsible judges. Just as the best players are needed, so are the best judges, and it would be even better if they don't play, but only judge. Eugene immediately comes to mind. In the worst case, I can offer myself. Also, Джавдет, Sticky, Loy - there are many candidates. I asked AK a question, and I will be grateful if the members of AK write their opinion on the issue of holding a major tournament. Of course, this cannot be done right away; people are resting now. But by the beginning of October, the players will fully return to the game; if we clear up the backlog of other tournaments by that time, then everyone will participate.
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Thank you to everyone who participated in the survey; there were over 30 participants. We discussed a lot in ICQ, and there were some very interesting ideas. Often, completely opposite opinions were expressed. We tried to find a compromise solution and take all wishes into account. Summary: 1. The prevailing opinion is that too many awards under the avatar are not needed, as this will devalue them. However, it is possible to award prizes to the winners (2nd and 3rd place) depending on the number of participants (e.g., more than 30) and the tournament regulations. This will be further refined when discussing the Tournament Rules. 2. The idea of awarding prizes by category was supported. Here's what we came up with: ANNUAL NOMINATIONS WITH AWARDING OF AN AWARD UNDER THE AVATAR (determined by voting of HW users in January of each year for the past year): PLAYER (criteria - active play, successful participation in tournaments, victories, and authority; in short, the pride of our forum). NOVICE (criteria - registration on HW without experience in online HOMM3 games, significant progress in the game during the year, achievements on our forum, active participation in games, tournaments, and forum life). FOR CONTRIBUTION TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE HEROES MOVEMENT (candidates may include tournament organizers, active forum members, game promoters, "coaches" (i.e., in the words of KostyaN, those whose educational posts with advice, tactics, and screenshots have helped the most and are most memorable), developers of various game enhancements, users with rich imaginations who organize all sorts of polls and tests and don't let anyone rest peacefully at the computer, developers and moderators of various rankings and statistics... Thanks to these people, the Game has been alive and has been attracting new fans for many years). For 2008, the discussion and awarding will be conducted by: Novice-2008 - Kash is already working on it, For contribution to the development of the Heroes movement in 2008 - Dirty_Player, Player-2008 - Dubrovin Pavel. RAPER is already working on the design of the awards. There is a suggestion from SpiriTT - in the design of the "Player" award, use the image of George the Victorious - a rider piercing a snake with a spear, and for "Contribution" - bricks, which make up the atmosphere on the forum. Suggest more ideas for implementation or ready-made images. SEASONAL NOMINATIONS "BEST PLAYER FOR ONE OF THE 9 CASTLES". An award under the avatar will not be given; the title will be temporary and awarded for 3 months. It is proposed to have a beautiful signature with a picture (KostyaN suggested a mini-image of a level 7 dwelling from this Castle) at the bottom of the user's messages. The person who is awarded the title places the signature in their profile and enjoys the fact that their favorite Castles are the first to be crossed out by their rivals for the entire next season. The winners here will be determined based on seasonal ranked games.
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We plan to start voting for the nominations around July 15-20. So, there isn't much time left to nominate yourself. The moderators are waiting for you:smile01:

And now, a little history. I haven't gone into too much detail; I hope that if needed, I will be supplemented. I recently discovered that on July 17, 2008, that is, about a year ago, Adelaide created an interesting topic for tournament curators on HeroesWorld, in which it was discussed that it was time
Adelaide
to put the tournament and, in general, the gaming activities in order
It's a pity that Adelaide practically disappeared from the forum after a while, and the topic gradually faded away without a moderator, but the ideas expressed there are very important.
It turned out that by creating the Tournament Committee, we have already begun to solve many of the issues raised by Adelaide and other tournament moderators on our forum.

Firstly, Adelaide "allowed herself to come up with a list of curators" - in HoMM 3 on-line, this is Evgeny. Starting from the New Year, Evgeny had some problems, and he could no longer devote that incredibly large amount of time to the forum as before. And we immediately felt it.
Our section has been developing very well lately, many new players are appearing, there are interesting ideas about tournaments, and connections with other resources are strengthening. Therefore, life dictates its own conditions. It is simply impossible for one person to cope with such a huge amount of work, especially since there are also various things happening in real life. It's very good that we have found responsible people: Javdet, StickyFingaz, Dirty_Player - who continued the organizational activities. But, of course, the work must be coordinated. This is why we created the Tournament Committee, which was approved by the Creator.

Secondly, it was discussed what kind of tournament should have Official status. Many players on our forum have also asked this question.
Apparently, in our new conditions, such a status should be given to a tournament approved by the TC and held according to the Tournament Rules. The TC is responsible for such a tournament. If the Organizer encounters problems, the TC should solve them together.

Thirdly,
Adelaide
To ensure impartiality and objectivity in judging tournaments, I propose to introduce independent judges as a mandatory requirement.
Indeed, ideas are in the air... We already have an Arbitration Committee, and there is a place to turn to in case of a dispute.

Adelaide also raised the issues of creating a "Wall of Shame" and awarding valuable and virtual prizes. We will discuss this further when we refine the Rules.
There was also a question of awarding medals under the avatar for 2nd and 3rd places. We also discussed this issue and decided that such an award is possible only in a very large tournament.
Adelaide
4. It is necessary to introduce a schedule of tournaments, and that fan tournaments are also taken into account in this schedule. This is necessary so that tournaments can gather their quotas of players and do not suffer from the fact that a similar tournament is taking place at the same time, so as not to overwhelm players with frequent tournaments, but also not to allow large breaks in the forum's gaming life.
Our Organizing Committee should deal with this.
We have traditional tournaments, and we know the approximate dates.
July-August - Clan War
Autumn - Seasons. Zhenya, will we hold a Seasons of the Year tournament in the fall, and approximately when?
December - Interportal

What else? Let's discuss what we want...
Perhaps ABI will want to hold another tournament - "Winter Novice", because new players will come to us, won't they?
Is another Clan War or Team Tournament planned for the fall?
I really want to hold the "Favorites - in Battle! - 2" tournament. Decontaminator reminded me. An interesting topic, and there are already those who want to participate. Maybe Loi will return? We could start registration in early August.
Javdet, are you not going to come up with something original, when, finally, the finalists of Jebus decide on the scarf?
Maybe there are other ideas from potential organizers? Share them.
And most importantly. There are proposals for organizing a VERY LARGE tournament. We are planning it from September. We are still thinking about the regulations, and the poll showed that such a tournament should take place.

So, friends, a very important question for everyone:
In which tournaments would you like to participate this year? What topics are you interested in?
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Maybe potential organizers have other ideas? Share them.

I had an idea a while ago – don't laugh:) – to hold atournament with a 2-minute time limit, like ablitz. Some strong players already supported this idea in the chat. And it's not necessarily the case that only complete newbies will sign up! Maybe even the "veterans" will remember their youth and their games in clubs with a 2-minute time limit;) And Sting himself said, "fast-clicking is also a part of skill" (quote):cool:.

If anything, I'll be the organizer (I wouldn't participate anyway, because with my "talents," I can't do anything in less than 6 minutes:D).
Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)

Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:
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I had an idea a while ago – don't laugh – to hold atournament with a 2-minute time limit, like ablitz. Some strong players already supported this idea in the forum. And it's not necessary that only complete newbies will sign up! Maybe even the "veterans" will remember their youth and their games in clubs with a 2-minute time limit. And Stinger himself said, "fast-clicking is also a part of skill" (quote).

If anything, I'll be the organizer (I wouldn't participate anyway, because with my "talents," I can't do anything in less than 6 minutes).

Good idea about the 2 minutes; I would gladly participate in such an unusual tournament.
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Autumn - Seasons of the Year. Zhenya, we'll be holding the "Tournaments" in the autumn, and roughly when?
I really want to hold "Favorites in Battle! - 2".
And most importantly, there are proposals for organizing a VERY LARGE tournament. We plan to start it in September. We are still thinking about the rules, and the poll showed that such a tournament should take place.

Petr, this is a serious task; all three tournaments are important and will attract many players, but...
1. It is important that they do not overlap with each other, or at least overlap slightly, for example: one is already in the final four, while the other is just starting.
2. Organizational resources should be properly distributed because the tournaments will require a lot of effort.

Regarding the seasonal tournament on fixed maps. Considering that Mr. Kobra will be helping, there will be the best, proven maps + possible participation of players from St. Petersburg from other resources, which is significant. And it wouldn't hurt our new players to get acquainted with such maps as Duel, Guardians, and LoM - maximum excitement. It is clear that the tradition of holding it in the autumn will be preserved. In principle, it shouldn't compete much with random maps; it may overlap in terms of timing with the "Big Tournament".

"Big Tournament" - with proper organization and agreement within our community, it can attract up to 50-60 players, perhaps, if only at the end of September, because not everyone will have returned from vacation and their gardens.

By elimination, "Favorites in Battle-2" remains; if organized, it should be now to finish before autumn.
Many people may gather for such a thematic tournament, since the main tournaments are over, and the clan war will be approximately halfway through, so the leading players will not have a severe time crunch.

This is where the benefits of the AK will become apparent because organizing the tournaments, proper organization, and judging are a great benefit.
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Good idea about the 2-minute matches; I would gladly participate in such an unusual tournament. :smile54:
Let's do 1 minute each, why waste time? :D
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Are there any plans for another Clan War or Team Tournament in the fall?
Yes... A TEAM tournament is planned. It will start, presumably, in October.
Pit for LM


I really want to hold the "Favorites - into Battle! - 2" tournament. Decontaminator reminded me. It's an interesting theme, and there are already people who want to participate. Maybe Loi will return? We could start registration in early August.

Great!!! I've been thinking about this for a long time (since early spring). It was an excellent tournament!! I would like to repeat it....

Pit for LM


When will the Jebus finalists finally decide about the scarf?
:rolleyes: This also worries me! It's been summer for a long time.... :D I feel like they're dragging it out until winter.... so they can have it for the season:smile40: The scarf is waiting for its rightful owner! And we are all waiting for the winner of the tournament... I wish the finalists would finish the game.
Pit for LM


Maybe potential organizers have other ideas? Share them.
And most importantly, there are proposals for organizing a VERY LARGE tournament. We are planning it from September. We are still thinking about the regulations, and the poll showed that such a tournament should take place.

I think there are quite a few tournaments planned in the end. The main thing is not to overdo it, as the respected Nagan rightly said.
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
Лидер клана "Из многих единое"

Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
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We seem to be a bit late with awarding our nominees; I'm not doing a very good job as the "Procrastinator":smile41:

I ordered a huge number of various awards from our designer, RAPER, and I even feel bad for burdening him so much... But he promised to deliver, thank you!

We also decided to award the Best player for each faction based on the season's results. vbn promised to calculate it over the summer.
And you can see what the award looks like in RAPER's signature: RAPER. I've already started to feel a bit envious of our Best players – in my opinion, it's turning out very beautifully...
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I finally finished the awards for each category! Soon, they will be given to their rightful owners!

1) “For Contribution to the Development of the Heroes Community in 2008” - Nagan-4


Thanks for everything you’ve done for our portal and its members! :smile12:

2) “Player of the Year 2008” - Dubrovin Pavel


May this golden Pegasus bring you even more luck and victories! :smile54:

3) “Rookie of the Year 2008” - Pit for LM


A rookie who is not inferior to the monsters in the game!:smile19: We need more rookies like this! :smile20:

Congratulations!

P.S. I also added an award for the best player of the season in Castle to my signature. I think it turned out better than the one for Conquest; I will continue to refine it (when I have time, of course, as this was my first time doing this ^^). Miniatures for the awards are included! (in the corresponding order)

Sincerely.
играю на уровне AI !!:smile32: ;)