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If someone could tell me what the difference is between version 4.18 and 5.0b, and also between 4.17 (from which it evolved), that would be great.

It's unclear what changes were made, and people are saying that some things were strengthened while others weren't. It's a bit unsettling to play without knowing the changes.

Thanks to anyone who can point me to where I can read about these changes.
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If someone could tell me what the difference is between 4.18 and 5.0b, and also between 4.17 (from which the wheel was taken), that would be great.

It's unclear what changes were made, and they say that this was strengthened, and that was not. It's unsettling to play without knowing the changes.

Thanks to whoever can point me to where I can read about these changes.

http://forum.heroesleague.ru/viewtopic.php?t=7029
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I have 2 questions:
Why mod 4.18? Version 5.0b is more than playable without glitches, and the humans and necromancers are balanced there. I suggest using it!
And there are many questions about the draw. I assume that the pairings were determined at the discretion of the organizer, which is complete nonsense. The draw should be completely random, in my opinion.
I ask the experienced players to share their opinions on my questions. It's clear in advance what it's like with the "kindergarten" – they just want simple games in the sandbox.
Version 4.18 is currently optimal for the tournament (as it avoids unsolvable problems in the game). We will introduce version 5.0 as soon as it is properly tested (I think it won't take much time).
The draw was not at the discretion of the organizers. The basis was the HeroesLeague rating according to the standard, since the rating on this site has not been updated for a long time and is outdated. Each group was divided into 2 parts:
- players with a rating from 1st to 15th place
- the remaining players.
Within these groups, the draw was made using a random number generator, and the color of the player in the pair was also determined by lot...
In light of the above, I ask player Vip.rus to explain where the "complete nonsense" is
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Version 4.18 is currently the most suitable for the tournament (as it avoids any unsolvable issues in the game). We will introduce version 5.0 as soon as it has been thoroughly tested (I don't think it will take much time).
The draw was not at the discretion of the organizers. The HeroesLeague ranking was used as a basis, as the ranking on this site has not been updated for a long time and is outdated. Each group was divided into 2 parts:
- players with a ranking from 1st to 15th place
- the remaining players.
The draw was carried out within these groups using a random number generator, and the color of the player in the pair was also determined by a draw...
In light of the above, I would like Vip.rus to explain where the "complete nonsense" lies.

Regarding the mod, I would like to hear the opinion of the players; in my opinion, version 5.0b is more than playable.
Regarding the division, I don't think we need any outdated rankings, which are rarely updated even on the league. We should, as usual, randomly pair all good and evil players. This is, of course, at the discretion of the organizers, but I would also like experienced players to express their opinion. I apologize for the emotions if anyone was offended
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Vip.rus, regarding the ranking: in the league, the ranking is based on the results of the last three major tournaments (with the most recent tournament having the greatest impact on the ranking), so this ranking can be considered quite objective. As for the draw: I also think it's flawed, but since I'm not an organizer, I'm wisely staying out of it – if you want to be in the top 3, you'll have to beat the strongest players along the way. Regarding the mod: in all versions of 5.0*, there are some bugs (for example, with the starting army of heroes), so it is not recommended to play them yet. Since there are 10 days left for the game (plus I think the organizers will add another 2-3 days, totaling 100%), I strongly recommend waiting if you want to play on 5.0*. I personally will be waiting. As the creator and coordinator of the development team, I want to assure you that the update will be released as soon as possible. Thanks to the test games, I hope that most of the critical bugs have been identified and fixed.
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Dear Vip.rus and sir_moz! Perhaps I'm repeating myself, but the tournament draw scheme proposed to all participants may be unsuccessful. BUT! From the very beginning of this topic, the following was highlighted in **bold** and in colored font in the first message: Please share your thoughts on the proposed rules and regulations of the tournament before the registration ends. So why did almost no one express their opinion about the tournament format?! And now, everything that has been done is called "complete nonsense" and "a sham"?:eek:
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Regarding the version, I withdraw my question. As for the draw, it was not indicated anywhere that seeding would be used for the first round; the standard option is a random selection. But I won't argue about it since everyone else seems to be okay with it.

My opponent, dwp, is on vacation, and judging by the timeframe, it might last for 2 rounds. Should we wait?
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I withdraw my question regarding the version. As for the draw, it wasn't specified anywhere that seeding would be used for the first round; the standard option is a random selection. But I won't argue about it since everyone else seems to be okay with it.
My opponent, dwp, is on vacation, and judging by the timeframe, it might last for 2 rounds. Should we wait?
Indeed, it wasn't. Because I was waiting for suggestions from the participants, as all tournaments are made for those who participate in them. There were no suggestions. We applied what we had prepared...
We'll wait until the middle of the second round, i.e., until November 18th, and then a technical loss...
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Okay, the first round is clear, but how will the draw for the next rounds be conducted?
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Yeah, what a great draw! It makes the game interesting for everyone! And then, victories upon victories... although, where will we get so many "good" winners? ))). Anyway, everything is fine, and only the weaklings complain ):smile14:
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Killa, you didn't understand me. I said that I think it's a bad idea, BUT I'm not organizing it and I'm not interfering. Do you understand the difference? I would just ignore such posts. "Were you asked? - Yes, you were asked. Did you stay silent? - Yes, you did. That's it." Relax and run the tournament. Why is it a bad idea? Imagine that in the Champions League, the draw will be "cool" like this: Group 1 - Arsenal, Barcelona, Bayern, Milan; Group 2 - APOEL, Panathinaikos, Anderlecht, Trabzonspor. What do you think all the viewers, experts, and journalists will say about the people who arranged such a draw? And especially the head coaches of the teams from the first group? They will play, but you won't be able to shut their mouths.
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Of course, there is a point to Moza's post. And also, people didn't participate actively enough during the tournament planning phase.
I also support Kill – if anyone has great ideas, join the organizer – he's already having a tough time.
I have a small question – in the main topic, there are links to download templates and schemes, but I don't see a spider there. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place? Please advise.
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Wow, what a great draw! It makes the game interesting for everyone! And then, victories upon victories... although, where will we get so many "good" winners? )))

That's a good idea. Logically, the main thing is that the good guys play against the bad guys. As a result, the winners from the good side should randomly be paired with the winners from the bad side. And then, all the others are randomly paired for the second round. For the third round, first, the good and bad guys with 2 points each play, then those with 1 point each, and then all the rest, and so on. I agree, it's much more complicated to draw such a tournament, but the main thing is the principle of randomness.
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That's a great idea. Logically, the main thing is that the evil factions play against the good factions. In the end, the winning good factions should randomly pair with the winning evil factions. And then, all the others are randomly paired for the second round. For the third round, first, the good and evil factions with 2 points each play, then those with 1 point each, and then all the others, and so on. I agree, it's much more complicated to draw such a tournament, but the main thing is the principle of randomness.
That's what we wanted to do. The main problem is the presence of "complete" pairs. For example, after the first round, mostly "good" factions will win, so there will be fewer "evil" factions with equal points than "good" factions with the same number of points.
For now, there's only one option: to take the "evil" factions with fewer points, naturally taking into account the principle of randomness...
Hmm, I always have problems with the spider: either I put it in the wrong list, or it's not there at all...:smile22:
Technical question regarding the final table. I suggest displaying not points, but the number of wins (+1, +2, etc.) and losses (-1, -2, etc.). One win gives one "+", one loss gives one "-".
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I like everything!
Thank you to the organizer for their hard work and dedication. And if something doesn't appeal to someone, help make it better :)

@Killa
What's the point of displaying wins if there are points? Besides, wins will be "lost" in games that end in a draw.
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