- Comparison of creatures from Heroes 5 with creatures in Heroes 3. — Polls

Vlad

12/5/2006 4:52 PM UTC

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Darth Saruman;51150

The Empire strikes back:

1. Djinn. So what if it looks like it's from a cartoon? We all used to be kids, and if you were 5 years old, you'd be totally obsessed with a 3-year-old djinn! And besides, it has a head!
2. Gargoyle. It turned out wrong; these things deny and ruin the gargoyle series in Heroes!:mad: Let's remember Heroes 2, 3, and 4! That's where there are NORMAL gargoyles! And what about here?! ah...
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3. Well, it's obvious here! A Titan is actually from Greek mythology, and even in fan art, they definitely weren't LIKE THAT(!)
The Heroes tradition regarding creatures has been violated again (the best Titans are in Heroes 2 and 4!)! And the Nival developers are promoting our favorite Californian politician! It would be okay if we saw him in some action game, but he's completely unsuitable for Heroes!
4. Vampires! I won't express any dissatisfaction here, but it would be nice if they were like in Heroes 2 or 4, i.e., intelligent aristocrats:)

The Necromancer faction rises!!!!

1.) Like in a cartoon? What are you talking about???? This is a serious game... one of the few. It's played not only by children but also by adults... and it's precisely because of its seriousness!!!!!!! I think you understand that yourself... if Heroes becomes full of cartoonish characters, people definitely won't play it... except maybe children...:o
2.) As you know, Heroes 5 isn't exactly a continuation of the series!!! It's a completely new world!!!!!!! So the priorities are different there!!!!! And the series has nothing to do with it! Don't forget!:cool:
3.) Yes, but it's not a bunch of muscles with a sword!!! It's a more intelligent and powerful creature, possessing not only strength but also knowledge!!!!!! :p :p
4.) We've already discussed the vampires...:) :)

I think you're mistaken, Darth Saruman.

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Darth Saruman

12/5/2006 5:03 PM UTC

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Xaker;51164

Necromancers are rising!!!!

1.) Like in a cartoon? What are you talking about? This is a serious game... and there aren't many of them. It's played not only by children but also by adults... and it's precisely because of its seriousness!!!!!!! I think you understand that yourself... if Heroes has cartoonish elements, people definitely won't play it... except maybe children...:o
2.) As you know, Heroes 5 is not exactly a continuation of the series!!! It's a completely new world!!!!!!! So the priorities are different there!!!!! And the series has nothing to do with it! Don't forget!:cool:
3.) Yes, but it's not a bunch of muscles with a sword!!! It's a more intelligent and powerful creature, possessing not only strength but also knowledge!!!!!! :p :p
4.) We've already discussed vampires...:) :)

I think you're mistaken, Darth Saruman

Okay, let's end this silly debate, because some people like one thing and others like something else; for example, I love the fourth game, but some people don't (what a disaster!:( )

P.S. I knew you rebels were just undead...:D

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RomaShSh

12/5/2006 5:06 PM UTC

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Xaker;51127

Alright! I'll answer you, point by point:
1.) Let's compare the Djinn from Heroes 3 and Heroes 5:
I don't want to say anything bad about Heroes 3, but the Djinn in it resembles... well, it's like an Aladdin adventure (a cartoon for kids, in case anyone doesn't know!).
But in Heroes 5... even though he's headless, he looks very imposing in his large hat!!! Don't you agree? If you don't, then draw it the way it should be!:D :p Can't you?:cool: :p
2.) Gargoyle of unclear origin:
Of course, it doesn't look like the familiar character... but who said that it's not beautifully drawn????? In my opinion, it looks quite beautiful, even with the tombstone.
3.) Titan - Governor of California:
I think the Titan looks great! Steel skin, lightning around... ah, it's beautiful, and as you probably know, in India (which is what the entire race is based on), they are used to decorating any part of the body with colorful, bright fabrics or items! So it's fair that he has these trinkets on his arms!
4.) Vampire-Samurai:
Tell me, my dear Magnus, how do you imagine a vampire? Is it a hunched-over, old, wrinkled man with two yellow teeth that he can barely use to bite his victim? With a sword, he looks much better! And besides, this is an army, not some random guy from the street:) :) I think you understand me.
Well, we've looked at all the aspects that you didn't like. Whether you agree with me or not is up to you, but I want to tell you!
The fact that most of the skins are drawn incorrectly is quite understandable!!! BUT YOU SHOULDN'T SAY THAT THEY AREN'T BEAUTIFUL!!!
You understand that we are talking about completely different things!!! So, if you want to prove your point, provide other arguments!

Let's not shout, okay? Everyone has their own point of view... so we should respect everyone! You are both right! Heroes 5 is beautifully drawn, but not realistically (not everything in it is)

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Magnus

12/5/2006 5:09 PM UTC

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Xaker;51164

1.) Like in a cartoon? What are you talking about? This is a serious game... and there aren't many like it. It's played not only by children but also by adults... and it's precisely because of its seriousness!!!!!!!

Let's start with the fact that djinns should have heads, and there isn't a djinn in Heroes 3 like in a cartoon. Remember and look it up, instead of making unfounded statements.

Xaker;51164

I think you understand it yourself... if Heroes has a cartoonish style, people definitely won't play it.

But right now, it already has a cartoonish style and so on.

Xaker;51164

2.) As everyone knows, Heroes 5 isn't exactly a continuation of the series!!! It's a completely new world!!!!!!! So, the priorities are different there!!!!! And the series has nothing to do with it! Don't get confused!:cool:

Then, a counter-question: if it's not a continuation of the series, why does it have the title Heroes of Might and Magic 5? They could have named it something else.

Xaker;51164

3.) Steel skin, lightning around... oh, what beauty,

Where did you read that titans have steel skin? And besides, they are alive, if you know that.

Xaker;51164

and as you probably know, in India (which is what the entire race is based on), they are used to decorating any part of the body with colorful, bright fabrics or items! So, it's fair that he has such decorations on his arms!

It is also known that in India, they also put dots on their foreheads, and their gods have 6 or more arms. Therefore, the titan should also have 6 arms and three heads and a dot on his forehead. But the race is not only Indian, it is Eastern, Arabic. Look at the symbols on the flag, the symbolism of the castle - a crescent moon, creatures from Arabic fairy tales, a hookah, and other attributes.

Xaker;51164

Tell me, my dear Magnus, how do you imagine a vampire??!!!!!!!

Heroes 3 or like in Heroes 4.

Xaker;51164

Is it a hunched, old, wrinkled man with two yellow teeth that he can barely use to bite his victim?!!!!!!!

That fits the description of a vampire.

Xaker;51164

And besides, this is an army, not a random guy from the street!!!!!!!

Then, give liches, necromancers a sword, armor, and other attributes:D :D

AlexeyPank

12/5/2006 5:19 PM UTC

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The original game is sacred. The way the units were depicted there – may everyone strive to do the same. In the original game, all creatures looked like they belonged. They couldn't be separate from each other; the race was monolithic. But in the fifth game, the individual unit pictures turned out well, but they don't seem connected to each other. It's beautiful there, and it's beautiful here, but together, it's a mishmash.
Yes, many of the fifth game's units look better, but titans, gargoyles, and djinns don't look like creatures from the same city. And then there are the goblins with arquebuses.
Consider this my personal opinion, but in the fifth game, the individual beauty of the units was achieved by sacrificing the unified concept of the race.

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Necronix

12/5/2006 5:25 PM UTC

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Three! I've always been a fan and will remain one – just wait until Heroes 6 comes out:)
The fifth game is inconsistent. I like Inferno. But the Tower was definitely designed after a long period of… well, you get the idea. In general, Heroes 3 and In the Wake of Gods are the best games in the entire Heroes series, and they probably will remain so. And the plot in the fifth game is terrible.

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Vlad

12/5/2006 5:37 PM UTC

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RomaShSh;51176

Let's not yell, okay? Everyone has their own point of view… so we should respect everyone! You are both right! Heroes 5 is beautifully drawn but unrealistic (not everything in it is)!

I’m not just yelling for no reason! I am simply defending the merits of Heroes 5.
And a question to you! Why should a fantasy game be realistic?????

Magnus

First, genies should have heads, and there isn't a genie like in the cartoon in Heroes 3. Remember and look, don't make unfounded conclusions.

For your sake, when I was answering, I specifically opened the game and looked at everything carefully again!!!!

And what are these monsters???? In general, our tastes are definitely different....

Magnus

But now it's more like cartoons and stuff.

No, now it's much more serious!!!!!!!

Magnus

Then a counter-question: if this isn't a continuation of the series, why does it have the title "Heroes of Might and Magic 5"? They could have named it something else.

Oh dear, do you still not know???? Because Ubisoft bought the brand and is making the game in that direction, and they have their own vision of the world of Heroes!

Magnus

Where did you read that titans have steel skin? And besides, they are alive, if you didn't know.

I spoke metaphorically, and you misunderstood me; of course, titans are alive...

Magnus

It is also known that in India, people put dots on their foreheads, and their gods have 6 or more arms. Therefore, a titan should also have 6 arms and three heads and a dot on its forehead. But the race is not only Indian; it is Eastern, Arabic. Look at the symbols on the flag, the symbolism of the Castle – a crescent moon, creatures from Arabian fairy tales, a hookah, and other attributes.

I didn’t say it was just Indian! It really is a mix!!!!!!! You actually answered your own question!
:); ;)

Magnus

Heroes 3 or like in Heroes 4.

No, Magnus, you won't get away with such an answer… I am talking about Heroes 5… how would you imagine a 3D vampire for part 5… but something from other parts wouldn't work!!!!

Magnus

That fits the description of a vampire.

No, it doesn't fit! Quite the opposite!

Magnus

Then give liches and necromancers swords, armor, and other attributes.

Their strength lies in knowledge!! So they don't need cold weapons!!!!
Now imagine a mage with a mace!!! That's hilarious!:D :D

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Tengro

12/5/2006 5:41 PM UTC

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I agree with Alex (in some ways)
Magnus, and then I showed up and started hammering away with criticism
1) In 3, the genie is v-v-v-very similar to the genie from Aladdin. In 5 — less so...
Regarding it looking like a toy — khmmmm... I disagree
2) ENOUGH ALREADY!!! The gargoyle has an anti-gravity device in its hands (:):)). And overall — it's not such a bad unit and looks decent
3) The Titan, even from your favorite 3rd game, Magnus — is a STATUE ANIMATED BY MAGIC, i.e., a golem, but more powerful...
4) ???? And you just shoved centuries of mythology into ****?
1. A Vampire, an undead, usually a young aristocrat, forced to drink blood to sustain life...
So...

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Magnus

12/5/2006 5:48 PM UTC

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Xaker;51220

And what kind of monsters are these?????? In general, our tastes are definitely different....

These are normal genies that fit the definition of genies.

Xaker;51220

Oh, you still don't know?????? Because Ubisoft bought the brand and is making the game in this direction, and it has its own views on the world of Heroes!

I know that. And you, in your own words, confirm that Heroes 5 is a poorly made game, a parody.

Xaker;51220

No, you won't get away with that answer from me... I'm talking about Heroes 5... how would you imagine a 3D vampire for Heroes 5... and something from other parts won't work!!!!

Well, I'm Magnus

Xaker;51220

No, it doesn't fit! Quite the opposite!

Open a mythological dictionary and read the definition of a vampire; it definitely doesn't say a samurai with a sword.

Xaker;51220

Their strength is in knowledge!! So they don't need cold weapons!!!!
And imagine a mage with a mace!!! That's hilarious!!!!!:D :D

You yourself said

Yes, and besides, this is an army, not some random guy from the street!!!!!!!

, so I gave you an example of what happens if you look at your words and there's no need to attack people IMHO
Sincerely, Magnus I

AlexeyPank

12/5/2006 6:00 PM UTC

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Yes, there were some mistakes with the mythology. Titans are beings that are as powerful as gods. But here, they are portrayed as minor characters. They should have been given a different name. Djinns are beings that don't have a physical form; they are not even creatures, but spirits. But gremlins with guns are just ridiculous.

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Darth Saruman

12/5/2006 6:13 PM UTC

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AlexeyPank;51237

But goblins with rifles – that’s just ridiculous.

Yeah, they should also give them AWP, USP, a knife, and grenades...:D

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Magnus;51229

These are normal genies that fit the definition of genies.

I know that. And you are confirming with your own words that Heroes 5 is a poorly made game, a parody.

Well, I’m Magnus

Open a mythological dictionary and read the definition of a vampire; it definitely doesn’t say samurai with a sword.

You yourself said it; that’s why I gave you an example of what happens if you look at your words and there’s no need to attack people, IMHO
With respect, Magnus I

Magnus is AWESOME!!!! You’re the best! Here’s a badge: “Best Isengard Pioneer of the Year!”:D

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Vlad

12/5/2006 6:19 PM UTC

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AlexeyPank

Yes, there were some mistakes with the mythology. Titans are creatures that are not inferior in strength to gods. But here they are dealing with such trivial things. They should have been named differently. Djinns are creatures that do not have a single form; they are not even creatures, but spirits. But gremlins with guns are just ridiculous.

I don't know what you found unremarkable about the titans... in my opinion, they fit perfectly into the mythology.
Djinns don't fit in either part... we don't even need to argue about it!
Gremlins... it's bad with the guns... not mythology, but they fit into the race!

magnus

These are normal djinns that fit the definition of djinns.

Quite the opposite!!!!

magnus

I know that. And you are confirming with your words that Heroes 5 is a poorly made game, a parody.

No, it's quite the opposite; Heroes 5 is a rebirth of the universe. And it's a completely natural one... NWC only managed to make a great Heroes game on the third try (not counting a bunch of add-ons)... let's wait for at least two more from Nival!!!!!!!

magnus

Well, I'm Magnus.

Sorry, I made a mistake... But you didn't answer the question....

magnus

Open a mythological dictionary and read the definition of a vampire; it definitely doesn't say "a samurai with a sword."

But it doesn't say "a hunched old, wrinkled old man with two yellow teeth that he can barely use to bite his victim," either?

magnus

You said it yourself.

Magnus, a sword is needed by those whose stat is strength, not intelligence! Don't you understand that yet?

magnus

Here's an example of what happens if you look at your words and don't jump at people, IMHO
With respect, Magnus I.

If you don't understand my words, then excuse me, step aside!
And sorry for being so active... I'm not attacking you or anyone else; I just decided to remember the past... just kidding... few people know about what happened!
Anyway, it doesn't matter; we can end our conversation, even though it's on topic, otherwise we'll make too much noise!!!:)

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Night

12/5/2006 7:51 PM UTC

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I wonder who is degrading more: the monsters or our forum users?! STOP THE OFFTOPIC[/SIZE]!!!

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gamehuntera

12/6/2006 4:54 PM UTC

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By the way, the djinns from the 3rd game are a perfect fit for the role of djinns. After all, all their attributes are present: blue skin, a vortex of magical energy instead of legs. And these attributes are not so much from the cartoon – there are films in which the approach to depicting djinns is exactly the same. Therefore, the djinns in the 3rd game are quite normal, and most importantly, they fit into the Castle.

Xaker;51164

I think you understand everything yourself... if there are cartoon-like characters in Heroes, people definitely won't play it... unless they are children...:o

I cannot agree, because in the 5th Heroes, the graphics are most similar to children's animation and cartoons. More precisely, the similarity lies in the absence of human proportions and other body proportions in half of the races. Or mega-long ears...

But in the 3rd game, there is classic fantasy graphics with minor distortions. Goblins, for example. But almost all creatures are made in one, realistic style; you feel the world. And Heroes 5 is a mishmash – each race has a new way of depicting a unit. And some of them are not very beautiful – the Haven gnomes, as the first and most striking example.

Xaker;51220

And the question is: why should a fantasy game be realistic?????

That's a silly question. If the game is serious and for a relatively adult audience, then the graphics should also be made in a realistic manner. The same Dark Messiah Of M&M made the most positive impression and rehabilitated the world of Ashan in my eyes after the incoherent and too contrasting style of graphics in Heroes 5. In other words, immersion in the world is provided by that very realistic graphics, in contrast to the disproportionate chaos (to some extent) in Heroes 5.

Magnus;51181

Then give liches, necromancers, a sword, armor, and other attributes:D :D

By the way, skeletons wear swords and armor. Zombies wear axes (which is illogical, by the way). And liches wear armor and staves. Knowledge is knowledge, but you can't win much with it alone...

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Silvanis

12/6/2006 9:49 PM UTC

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Magnus;51229

Open a mythological dictionary and read it.

That would definitely be helpful! Both for Hacker and the developers, and for you, esteemed Magnus!:D
Djinns are malevolent desert spirits, not blue guys (let alone blue girls). The fact that they've lost their minds is bad, of course, but their legend quite simply explains that they don't need a head and aren't comfortable with it:D
Titans were poorly drawn golems in Roman armor, and now they're Schwarzenegger doing the St. Vitus dance (or what else could make him twitch so much that he jerks every second?). There's no improvement. Titans are generally forces of chaos (hello to Heroes 4), they are immortal (hello to all heroes in Heroes 2), and they have nothing to do with lightning (again, hello to all heroes in Heroes 2).
Gargoyles – and this is simple – look at any Gothic cathedral and you'll see that neither in Heroes 3 nor in Heroes 5 is a gargoyle a gargoyle. And in general, it's not a mythical monster.
Vampire... guys, if not with a sword, then how will he break through the armor of, say, a knight? With his teeth? Then he'll have to go to the dentist... if he can even make it after being beaten with a sword:D He definitely needs to have some kind of magical attack, like in Heroes 4.
What's samurai about him?:confused: I've been racking my brains about this, and I only found a black tail. There's NOTHING samurai about the vampire in Heroes 5. Magnus, you should probably read some history books too:)

By the way, why is everyone only criticizing the various monsters from Heroes 5? As if they were perfect in Heroes 3? They were just as ugly there.

The angels there are just awful, not angels at all (I'm tired of proving why – see my posts in the discussion about the level 7 unit in Heroes 5). And they die in a way that's not very angelic.
The vampires there are hideous. Some kind of crazy mix of our Slavic upyr and a Western European literary character.
Djinns – I agree with Hacker! – are no good; they look like they came straight out of a Disney cartoon.
The zombies there are also ugly. In Heroes 5, they're neither better nor worse than in Heroes 3.
The gremlins in Heroes 3 are unclear who they are, but in Heroes 5, at least they look like the characters from the movie:)
The elf archers in Heroes 3 are more attractive, but not significantly.
The dendroids in Heroes 3 are hideous. A pole with legs. In Heroes 5, at least they're original.
Golems... it's hard to say. In Heroes 3, they were made by very lazy mages who couldn't be bothered to give them weapons, and in Heroes 5, they were made by sloppy workers, and it seems, not without the help of glue (I mean the glue for making golems, not for stimulating the creative process; although the mages in Heroes 5 might use it for that too;)).
The crossbowmen and archers of the humans are much better. The peasants are better; they may not be handsome – far from it – but they're still not ragged, whimpering with every step (that's just too much) and not hideous (that's a diagnosis, not an assessment:)) like in Heroes 4.