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#848
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I just noticed a small flaw in the victory conditions:
Humanitarian Doctors: there are no Killer Doctors and no Doctors killing the Mentally Ill.
Killer Doctors: there are no Humanitarian Doctors and no Doctors killing the Mentally Ill.
The Mentally Ill are all killed. Even Rodfilg Lonsish gets a kill when only one remains. So, it's a complete genocide.

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#849
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Lorelei, I'm really glad, I'm finally seeing real arguments. :) They won't betray us because if they really wanted to, they would have done it tonight after yesterday's events. Yesterday, several players strongly expressed their opinion about the possibility of an alliance. They are already in a winning position; if they wanted to betray us, they would have done it already, and nothing prevents them from winning. Besides, the current, more or less acceptable situation, and the relatively good position of the town, is the merit of the Psych Mafia, not the town. The town only argues and repeats "Gil is making things up" endlessly. But they helped us for three nights in a row. Without their help, we would already have only one choice: to interfere with whichever Mafia wins, just for the sake of it. :/ But I'm not sure if this is an argument for you, so I'll go a slightly different way. In your scenario with the execution of Hos, firstly, there's an interesting mistake. 7-2(3)-3-1. Not 2(3), but a clear 3, if Hos is Radonar. And he's not Radonar, lol. But okay, I won't base anything on this; let it just be a guess. If he's not Radonar, then it's 7-4-3-1. Secondly, Benno's sexual frustration, the simple murder of a Psych Mafia member, recruiting villains/killing villains - and that's the minimum. Do you think they will just kill each other? Is there potential luck in that? But you should understand that they are all reading this and understand that by eliminating each other, they are simply handing the victory to the town. Just please, don't call this a guess - it's simple logic; with 7-3-3-1, you need to bring the 7 down to their level, not reduce your own numbers. What do you say? Wissy, don't be upset and don't cry; pawns sometimes become queens. x)



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#850
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"Revan"
will lead to defeat. From the psychics.
What are you talking about? Do you think that's what you're saying? What defeat from the psychics? They gave their word, they have honor.
Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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#851
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Knyaz_OMEGA
I just noticed a small flaw in the victory conditions:
The insane ones kill everyone. Even Rodfilg Longsh receives a kill when only one remains. So, it's a complete genocide.
Not a flaw. There are Neutral Developments that prevent using Neutral Developments/killing until the end of the game.



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#852
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I won't be able to contribute any further to this topic today. I won't be removing my vote from Hostor.
Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!
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Apparently, I need to explain it with another example, since you don't seem to understand that two pawns don't equal two queens; the logic is logical.
There are three groups: Schoolchildren#1, Thugs#2, National Bolsheviks#3.
They couldn't agree on something, all three factions, ALL THREE *swear word*.
But... two groups (one large and strong, the other small but also strong) decide to unite (it doesn't matter that one group came to the park to get drunk on cheap booze and beat up some schoolchildren, and the other hates thugs) and they gang up on ONE SMALL GROUP with TWO GROUPS. Curtain, a clear and beautiful victory.
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#854
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Hermit
I won't be able to contribute any further to this topic today. I won't remove my voice from Hostor.
Are you deliberately choosing a losing strategy instead of aiming for a draw?

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Vissy, are you comparing yourself to "national Bolsheviks"? x) Then you definitely need to be taken down, yes, by two groups. x)



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#855
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they are ganking with TWO GROUPS against ONE SMALL group
Give Vissy an injection; he's defending his small, offended, and humiliated team too aggressively.
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#856
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Didn't want to post it, but...


Here's a summary of our conversation:

Gil: Look, this is how it will be.
Vissy: No, it won't.
Gil: It's a beautiful game, a draw, I calculated everything, it's all good.
Vissy: But it's not a draw, it's a loss, everything is relative.
Gil: Vissy, don't cry and don't get upset :D :D :D :D :D :D :D //_\ //_\ //_\
Vissy: Well, since you don't understand, here's another example.
Gil: Ahaha, you're like a national Bolshevik, haha)))000
Suddenly, Hossi: You're all noobs, Vissy is the biggest noob, lol lol.
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#857
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In your scenario with Hos's execution, there's an interesting mistake, firstly. 7-2(3)-3-1(0). Not 2(3), but a clear 3, if Hos is Radonar.
I didn't quite understand the comment. The second number is the number of villains. 2 - if they didn't injure the surgeon, 3 - if they injured the surgeon or our pharmacist tries.
Do you think they will just kill each other? Is this a potential stroke of luck?
This is one of the possible scenarios. It has the same right to exist as all the others (including an "alliance" with the crazies). An alliance with the crazies is the same as hoping for luck.



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#858
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Vissy, you forgot the beginning of the dialogue, where all your replies consisted of "nyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanya". ^_^

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Loreley
I didn't quite understand the comment. The second number I have is the number of villains. 2 - in case someone other than the surgeon was injured, 3 - the surgeon was injured or our pharmacist will try.

This is one of the possible scenarios. It has the same right to exist as all the others (including an "alliance" with the crazies). An alliance with the crazies is the same as hoping for luck.
Ah, I see. You said "after the execution," not "after the night," so I thought you made a mistake. And if we're talking about "after the execution," then the injury isn't taken into account yet.
One of the possible scenarios? That the crazies and doctors will cut each other up, without affecting us? Hmm, I don't think that's luck, and that it's really realistic. Think about it, why would they? Or do you think they'll just make a mistake?



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Just like this, I won't let go
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All your contributions consisted of "nyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanya." And I simply presented them in a more relaxed and accessible form, so as not to confuse those around us. By the way, if you consider the entire "dialogue" as a form of mafia game, then "nyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanya" appeared somewhere in the middle and in only a couple of posts.
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#860
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11. Are you still on about spending DD? //_\ You'll be torn apart while you get rid of one half of a DD, then the second half of a DD, and then start executing Radonar. How can you hope to survive long enough to engage in such elementary harassment?

I agree with you. There is no point in wasting executions just to figure out Ranodar.
The probability that Hos is Ranodar is 16%, if the priest's note is a fake (although mafia isn't a chess match, it's quite realistic to calculate moves based on known nights and anticipate someone's actions one move ahead (the luck factor doesn't go anywhere. What if someone has the "Elven Luck" perk? You never know :D ))
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One of the possibilities? That the psychos and doctors will slaughter each other without touching us? Hm, well I don't think that's luck, and that it's actually realistic. Think about it, why? Or do you think they'll just make a mistake?
I must admit that this option doesn't please me either. I agree that it's better to already be alone with one mafia group where there are suspects (the moves of one side are easier to calculate), than to end up with two fully capable mafia groups (psychos are very dangerous even without Ranodar, but let's not say the surgeon is all white and fluffy, nor the recruited killer), who are set against the city, plus a man on top of that.

Gil, I do not agree to the alliance, as I don't trust the psycho-mafia. But being in a situation where something can still be controlled is better than getting caught in the "fire" of clashes between two mafias who won't be tearing each other's throats out (I think they realize that).

Cancel Hostor's execution.
Execute Visstrit

In any case, my vote doesn't mean anything.



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#861
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I agree that it's better to be alone with one mafia, where there are suspects (it's easier to predict the moves of one side), than to be with two fully capable mafias (psychics are very dangerous even without Ranodar, but it's also not worth saying that the surgeon is white and fluffy, and also a recruited killer), who are hostile to the town, and also have a mason in the mix.
Is it better to be alone against a completely unharmed, organized mafia, which can avoid execution twice, and one of the roles cannot be executed at all, than against two damaged mafias that are not playing in the same interests?
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#862
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Don't underestimate it; it might actually be important.
Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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