Mafia 29. Witch Hunt — Mafia

Wistrit

15 years ago

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From day one, I was 80% sure that the town would lose, with such a herd mentality, victory was out of the question. I was 70% sure that Gill was Mafia; someone who eliminates players so early on is either a newbie or Mafia, haha. Regarding recruitment... it's a silly skill. You're playing as the town, and suddenly you get recruited, which is not cool at all. In this game, it was even more unfortunate because the town already had little chance of winning, and then it had no chance at all. When I found out that the Demon Worshippers were Gill, Jack, Arko, and Slonysh, I immediately stopped playing seriously because there was no intrigue or meaning left. The Demon Worshippers are dominating, and the town is losing.

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Hermit

15 years ago

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Aves

I should have eliminated someone during the night and then resurrected them at the end, but I didn't think of it because I was inexperienced.

They did think of it, but it was too late (and I think it's more correct to say "kill at night"), and it was indeed risky - because if someone had killed the Marshal, that would have been it...

Aves

But overall, Hermi, do you really think we played very badly?

Unfortunately, yes. We had excellent chances, especially after we killed Nera and I switched to your side, and we squandered them :( The biggest mistake was that we were protecting each other while the Marshal and Magister were still alive :( If we had killed someone (the Marshal, the Magister), the suspicion would have started after the resurrection, and we wouldn't have known who it was, maybe it was an innocent Prior :(

Нэйко

15 years ago

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In my opinion, it's long overdue to remove recruitment from mafia teams. IMHO, it makes the game for mafia players feel like cheating. Although, a recruiter-maniac—like Morni was, for example—isn't that bad, though still cheaty. In general, based on my experience, I believe recruitment should be banned because it makes the game boring and uninteresting. Plus, I'm tired of throwing ND because of this.

Town, don't take offense, but you played terribly. Well okay, I can understand that you didn't recognize Arandor's mafia status (although he, in turn, rarely votes on the first day, especially when everything is so blurred and unclear regarding my role), but how could you not notice the obvious same-teaming of Gil and Jack? It's funny, but from the very beginning I was sure that Arco and Gil were on the same team.
Overall, the mafia are lolks; yes, even before my execution I had exposed almost all of them, only I was wrong about Morni (took him for a Templar, yeah, my bad), Volk (thought he was just a stupid townsfolk who doesn't really know how to play and thus messes up) and Amka (although the thought occurred that he might be a Temp, yes). Characteristically, I immediately realized that Vissi was peaceful (though there was also a thought that he might be a mafia member deciding to look clean at my expense).

By the way, if anyone is curious, I was planning to compare Gil with Amka if I hadn't been dumped so stupidly and brainlessly.

It was unpleasant that I was dumped on the very first day, without being given any chance to defend myself. Almost all of you know perfectly well that with my time zone it's hard for me to be active and convincing, but that doesn't mean I can just be dumped while people annoy me with their stupidity (dumping a player on the first day, knowing that this leads nowhere good, suggests that most of you have complete abnormalities in your heads). Although, I admit, given the mafia votes I had no chance, but it would have been more pleasant for me if there were as few peaceful players as possible among those who voted against me, because then it would mean that normal players are playing for town, not some slowpokes.

P.S.: a message to the mafia: well, which of you ~~idiots~~ knew who they were dumping when I was executed? Just be honest; it's stupid now to pretend that you are the only ones who, as a crowd across different teams, guessed that I am the Count.

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Oh yes, applause to the demon worshippers, you deservedly snatched victory. (this is sarcasm, yes; you won only because of the cheaty recruitment)

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And also thanks to the blunders of Gur, who has long served as a parasite player who almost always harms the team he plays for.

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Mestear

15 years ago

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Neira, although you expressed it very emotionally, you are still right. I don't know how anyone could have missed such obvious Mafia behavior from Gil. Jack played very well; I believed until the very end that he was Mafia, but, damn, there were so many giveaways. Moreover, Gil constantly tried to find out what my role was; every conversation ended the same way: "What's your role?" "Are you a Witch?" etc. Also, there was a lack of posts with logical content, no analysis of clues. Constant deflection. Damn, the town was completely blind! On the other hand, I'm glad the town didn't win because that would have been... Well, it was fun, but throughout the game, I had the feeling that I was playing against three people.

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I also don't understand why Imaris and Hermit are so self-critical. Guys, compared to the town (I don't want to offend anyone), we played well. We figured out a lot of things; we just couldn't implement many of them because there were no active town members. The same thing happened with the resurrection of Slonysh; we figured everything out, didn't we? You just need to understand that no one really investigated or delved into things. Who could have supported us? The Mafia? :) Don't be upset; at least we got to the truth, and... We had fun, isn't that the most important thing? I enjoyed playing with you.

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Oh, I completely forgot about you, Amko; you left so quickly... I love you all three ^___^

Нэйко

15 years ago

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I agree with that, the Tampa Bay team didn't play that badly. By the way, Gil was quite convincing with his request to resurrect Slonika)).

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Hermit

15 years ago

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Aves

Oh, I completely forgot about you, Amko, you left so quickly... (I love all three of you ^___^

:) :cool: And we love you too! :cool: :)

Happy Life

15 years ago

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Regarding the Templars, it was amusing to watch their attempts to defend the witch, a potential murderer of an inquisitor, by mentioning Nera as an argument.
Yes, she failed, and it might even be a very newbie-like failure. What's next? Retreating to the Neutral Zone with three city guards? Waiting for the accused to be officially revealed as a member of the Mafia, because taking risks is not an option?

Regarding recruitment... it's a silly skill. You're playing as a city, and then suddenly you get recruited, which is not cool at all.

I agree, switching factions is a bit much.
And regarding the angel, for example, it only received a voice, and could even be healed, although yes, it was still overpowered.

Where is the log?

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Registr

15 years ago

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Thanks to everyone for the game!

Ta Kotoraya...

Yes, by the way... The team played very poorly. For the first few days, they were still discussing who was who and how to kill them. As soon as my teammates were killed, they didn't try to continue the game, leaving me to fend for myself :(

I apologize to my team... Unfortunately, I couldn't play properly... An unforeseen event occurred :(
Usually, when I play as the Mafia, I stay with my team until the very end. But here, I was effectively out even before I was killed...

Leang

Players who are eliminated should not help those who are still playing. That's my opinion.

The rules don't prohibit such communication.

Leang

Okay, I'll put it another way: let's say there's a Mafia team consisting of three new/not very good players and one Hostor. If Hostor is eliminated, the Mafia is likely to lose, but if he continues to help them even as a ghost, the situation will change for the worse for the town.

Well, to maintain the intrigue and to slightly reduce this high probability of the Mafia losing, the hints from this player will be very useful ;)
And in general, there's no need to be afraid that one good player will be giving hints to the Mafia. It's not as critical as it seems at first glance.

P.S. Hmm... The Hunter played very well in this game :rolleyes:

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Mestear

15 years ago

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Morning

As for the Templars, it was amusing to watch their attempts to defend the witch, a potential murderer of the Inquisitor, by mentioning Neira as an argument.
It's a fail with her, yes, maybe even a very newbie-like one. What's next? Retreating to the Neutral Non-Violent Village with three city dwellers? Waiting for the accused to be officially exposed as a Mafia member, because you can't risk it?

I agree, switching Factions is a bit much.
And as for the angel, for example, it only received votes, and could even be healed, although yes, it was still overpowered.

Where is the log?

I confess, I was confused by the rules because they were a bit convoluted...

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Neira Drake

I agree with this, the Templars didn't play that badly. By the way, Gil was quite convincing with his request to resurrect Elephant))

I don't even know, maybe it's just me, but I immediately understood that something was wrong here. First, Gil took a lot on himself, thus calling for a resurrection... And it looked like a monologue.

Imaris

15 years ago

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Eliminated players should not help those who are still playing. That's my opinion.

Okay, let me put it another way: let's say there's a Mafia team consisting of three new/not very good players and one Hostor. If Hostor is eliminated, the Mafia is likely to lose. However, if he continues to help them even as a ghost, the situation will change for the worse for the town.

Generally, I agree with this; it's more correct this way. You kill a player, you kill their brain. We're not necromancers to communicate with spirits, and we don't preserve heads like in Futurama.
Although, we (the Tampa players) actively discussed all the actions. Except for Amka; he kind of quickly withdrew and offered little advice, although sometimes he did.

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Hermit

15 years ago

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Leang

Players who have been eliminated should not help those who are still playing. That's my opinion.

And mine too...

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Wistrit

15 years ago

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I believe that the classic scheme – city-mafia-maniac – is the most suitable among the mafia game formats.

Dgak

15 years ago

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1. Less emotion from the Neural Network) There were 9 Mafia members. They deserved to lose so they wouldn't interfere. I think everyone knew by the second half of the day that you were the Count among the Mafia, and that was better for everyone. 2. The Mafia's ability isn't just about killing and not voting against each other; it's also about strategizing. That's why they get to know each other. Their task is to deceive everyone around them and eliminate them. If they don't strategize, they're not a Mafia; they're just individual killers. 3. "Cheating recruitment"??? Do you even hear yourselves? Should I start analyzing all the possible scenarios for every role? Do you want me to outline all the possibilities so well that even your Prior will play better than your Guru? (Okay, I'm exaggerating, but blaming the Demons' victory on recruitment is nonsense, I'm sorry.) As already mentioned, no overpowered abilities can win without a professional player, personal qualities, and the gift of persuasion, logic, etc. Honestly, there were lucky breaks and failures on the part of all the opponents, but I didn't see any major mistakes. You're criticizing Guru. I'm criticizing him only for his professional gameplay, for being so good that after his messages, he writes with "Guru, Guru," etc. Yes, he killed Morny. Yes, Imaris could have killed him too. But Guru doesn't pay much attention to the game, and he blames everything on Obum. Continuing about recruitment: overall, you're right; we only had 5 players throughout the game! BUT! Ara and Gila identified the Elephant and sent him to feed the worms. And how do you suggest we win without recruitment? Especially since we only had two successful recruitments in all the days!!! I'm grateful to the whole team for discussing the game. It's clear that they care about it, and that's nice. The only thing is, I feel bad for Morny. He tested me, and two players took him out. Morny, would you have betrayed me? And another question: did you suspect me before the test?

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Слоныш

15 years ago

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Dgak

1-Neyra has fewer emotions) There were 9 Mafia members. They deserved to lose so she wouldn't interfere. In the second half of the day, I think everyone already knew from the Mafia that you were the Count, and that was better for everyone.

Exactly... I remember very well how Gil and I discussed eliminating Neyra: we didn't care who she was, because at the beginning of the game, it was beneficial for us to eliminate any non-demon worshippers, but the fact that everyone fell for it and considered her Mafia was something we couldn't miss. We weren't even the initiators; we just quietly joined in and, as a group, overwhelmed her.

Arandor

15 years ago

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Ah, yes, applause to the demon worshippers, you rightfully snatched the victory. (This is sarcasm, you only won due to cheating with recruitment).

I absolutely disagree. Because we played better than everyone else (maybe I'm out of the loop, but all those plans and so on were in the chat). Regarding the recruitment in this case, it's also funny, because out of such a large number, you have to guess 4 peaceful roles that can be recruited, and with a 50% chance!!! If the recruitment fails, you have to figure out why. Either the role is wrong, or the 50% chance didn't work. I'd like to see how you would recruit anyone. If someone else was in our place, they would definitely have lost and been defeated, I'm 99% sure. Our mafia had small chances, even the occultists had more, because they can block and have a double kill.
As for the game of the others, the occultists played well, they just lost quickly. The Thugs and the Town played poorly, except for a couple of Town players.
And yes, we knew you were the Count. Or rather, we suspected, because you gave hints in the thread and there was something else, I don't remember.

Let's get back to recruitment. So, in this mafia, it was difficult, because you can only recruit four, so don't exaggerate. In the other mafias, everyone was recruited, and in the 21st, there were no clues left after recruiting the angel, not even a hint in the newspaper, if I'm not mistaken. Here, there were also no clues, but that would be too much in this case. In others, clues are needed, as in my mafia, for example, or in the 20th.

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I think that the classic scheme, i.e., Town-Mafia-Manic, is the most acceptable of the mafia schemes.

I don't think so, because in such a game, the Town usually wins, and the game becomes more thoughtful, psychological, and drawn out. With two mafias, it's much more dynamic, although sometimes it turns into a bloodbath. So, it's difficult to give a definitive answer here

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