Lord of the Rings vs. Ring of Darkness — Books

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#16 4/3/2007 12:26 PM UTC

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I haven't read "Wanderings of a Mage" (I know the plot in brief), but here I meant not the plot of one book, but a series.

Try reading it; I couldn't, although I rarely abandon what I've started. And isn't "Wanderings of a Mage" part of some series, at least in the sense that it features the Necromancer Fess?

And here, I wasn't talking about the superiority of Perumov's role-playing games over Tolkien's. I was talking about the excessive harshness of judgments; I don't participate in role-playing games, but I often visit the Internet.

I've never seen bison, but I've read a lot about them; I'll go hunting for them. Something like that?

I also laughed; I meant not the forum chatter (as it usually happens with us), but the competition that took place on Litforum.

You used the word "dispute," not "competition." This is called misinformation, or simply, babble. It's interesting how this competition looked and who participated in it.

How do I respond to such an attack? In no way. Because you didn't respond to mine either, completely ignoring the words about logical coherence, beautiful turns of phrase, and examples.

There are several things that I really understand. Logic is one of them. So, there is very little logic in Nienna's work. And if you didn't notice that, then you are either not very demanding or not friends with logic at all. Regarding the turns of phrase, I will also answer. This style of writing is over 500 years old; it developed in women's novels back in the Renaissance era and has never been an example of beautiful language because it lacks naturalness and aesthetics. It's just the absence of deep meaning draped in the pomp of phrases.

By the way, can anyone share "The Ring of the Nibelungs"? I would be very grateful.

2 Kyle I would advise you to search the internet; you will easily find many versions that differ not only in translation but also in plot and size. I've read about 5-6, and they are all different; some even have very large differences. And you choose the one that you like.

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#17 4/4/2007 4:22 AM UTC

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Try reading it, I couldn't, although I rarely abandon what I've started. And isn't "The Wanderings of the Mage" part of some series, at least in the sense that the Necromancer Fess is there?

“The Wanderings of the Mage” is part of some series, but that doesn't mean there should be a complicated plot (I meant a complicated plot in the sense that the cycle combines several book series into one, and if you follow the individual plots, there are unexpected twists; if there were such twists in each book of the Perumov series, he would be not just a good writer, but an excellent one).

I've never seen bison, but I've read a lot about them, and I'll be hunting them. Something like that?

Absolutely not. I've never seen an Amur leopard, but I've read a lot about it and know that it's endangered. If I started discussing with you the intricacies of creating an RPG in the conditions of the Moscow region, without ever participating in it, I would be wrong, and I'm just drawing certain trends that are not so difficult to identify.

You used the word "dispute," not "competition." This is called misinformation, or simply, babble. It's interesting how this competition looked, and who participated in it.

http://www.litforum.ru/index.php?showtopic=10617
If you're interested, read it in full; the 3rd post convincingly proves that this is not empty babble, but a discussion with a hint of objectivity.

There are several things that I really understand. Logic is one of them. So, there's very little logic in Nienna's work. And if you haven't noticed this, then you're either not very demanding, or you're not friends with logic at all.
I'll also answer about the rhetorical devices. This style of writing is over 500 years old; it developed in women's novels back in the Renaissance era and has never been an example of beautiful language, because it lacks naturalness and aesthetics. It's just the absence of deep meaning draped in the pomp of phrases.

The ability to present the main negative character as the main positive one requires a certain skill; yes, there are some inconsistencies, but they are not very noticeable.
The pomp of phrases – well, yes, I like beautiful expressions.

I remind you once again that I am not a big fan of Nienna and Perumov, and I suggest ending the discussion, because the interesting arguments have been exhausted, and it's just nitpicking.

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#18 4/4/2007 5:03 AM UTC

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Fair and Sar, don't you think your argument (or debate, or whatever you want to call it) is pointless?... Everyone has their own point of view... And everyone likes or dislikes a work, but "there are as many opinions as there are people"... Each of you is partly right... But criticizing someone for liking something that you don't like is simply unnecessary and pointless.

Ничего нет только у мёртвого - у живого есть хотя бы жизнь...

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#19 4/4/2007 5:16 AM UTC

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You are right, I suggested finishing it (it has run its course). Although truth is born in debate (although with some, it dies, but this isn't about you, Fair).

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#20 10/6/2008 9:29 AM UTC

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Unfortunately, I haven't read "The Dark Eye"(( But I do know the story of "The Lord of the Rings", so for me, "The Lord of the Rings" is the best:D. Although I'm sure that "The Dark Eye" is just as good))

Графомания путешественника

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#21 12/24/2008 4:41 PM UTC

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I have a neutral opinion about Perumov; I've read almost all of his works, and more than once (Chronicles of Hyervard, Keeper of Swords, Therna, and yes, Ring of Darkness). By the way, I also didn't like Adamant, although it seems he's planning to rewrite it.
While listening to your argument, I forgot what the dispute was about.
For those interested, in short, the ending of Keeper of Swords is that almost everyone dies. And that's it!

Тому, кто сражается с монстрами, нужно сильно постараться, чтобы самому не превратиться в монстра.
Клан "Вершители Асхана" - "Masters of Ashan"

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#22 2/5/2009 11:01 AM UTC

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It's a complex thought... No, Perumov's works are interesting in places, "Chronicles of Hjedvard" is even captivating... but "Ring of Darkness"... ugh...
Flaws:
1) REPEATING DESCRIPTIONS! Including BATTLES!!!
2) A certain... disdain for the professor... well, like the Favorite of the Gods feels towards Ashan... it's everywhere (we are Perumov's hobbits...)
3) Naugrim, the black dwarf. Tell this idiot!!! NAUGRIM means "dwarves" if translated from Quenya!!! Russian Petrov Ivanovich, damn it...
So, Perumov is sometimes good. But "Ring of Darkness" is not one of those times...

Yes, and I'm grateful to Perumov for Kamshu.

"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ

"Мы не поклонники честной игры, если ее можно избежать. Девиз Отряда – максимальная эффективность при минимальном риске." Костоправ

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#23 12/12/2009 9:30 AM UTC

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Turns out, I haven't written anything here yet. I read both. I'd rather read "The Lord of the Rings" 10 times than read "The Children of Húrin" once. It's just awful. There's too much dreary "sublime" stuff, like the Great Staircases and all that, everyone is doing some nonsense because they were told to by the Valar (the gods in that world), that what is written in fate cannot be changed, and all that other nonsense. I think the same will be true of "The Silmarillion." There's much less of that in "The Lord of the Rings." Added after 20 minutes. And in general, "The Lord of the Rings" is noticeably better than "The Children of Húrin." It's more interesting, richer.

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#24 2/19/2011 7:17 PM UTC

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Speaking of Perumov, from everything I've read about him, "The Ring of Darkness" is his best work, although it only stands out due to the well-developed world, which he simply expands upon. As fan fiction, it's not bad, but as a book, it's terrible. Some moments are interesting, for example, the plot is decent (honestly, I didn't realize they were the Rings of the Nazgûl). There's also the lack of a clear division between good and evil, and other things...
But his other books...
1) Each book contains a hint of Christianity, and it's a negative hint. In "I, Vseslav," they are the main antagonists, and in "Chronicles of the Rift," he subtly alludes to the Church of the Savior.
2) Perumov is not only Perumov, but also obsessed. Almost every book contains pornography. It's getting annoying! You think you're reading a decent fantasy novel, and then, suddenly, it's there again!
3) I'm annoyed by the attempt to create his own language in "Chronicles of the Rift." It's a meaningless collection of sounds, and the spelling is bizarre. Why write three vowel letters in a row in each word, based on the Russian "A" but with different diacritics?
Conclusion: "Chronicles of the Rift" is the last book by Perumov that I will pick up.

А что я здесь делаю то?

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#25 3/23/2011 4:09 PM UTC

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I have "The Dark Elf Trilogy" sitting on my shelf, and it's been there for a few years now. I started reading it twice, and the first time I managed to finish the first book out of the three. Overall, it's quite depressing, but it's not bad as a sort of fan fiction. He should have just left it at that and not written "THE CONTINUATION OF THE ARDA STORY."

Tomorrow holds no promises
Except the ones we've made

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#26 3/23/2011 4:20 PM UTC

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Ah, schoolchildren, you're right about the ORDAs!!!!

My sword, my trusted ally, unphased by my aspect.

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#27 3/25/2011 8:39 AM UTC

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2) Perumov is not only Perumov, but also obsessed. There's almost porn in every book. It's getting annoying! You think you're reading decent fantasy, but no, here it is again!

That's why I stopped reading our fantasy authors. They're supposed to be the best - Lukyanenko, Zhorich, Perumov. But their texts are like "Dom-2."
What can you expect from the really young ones who don't learn from the Strugatsky brothers and Bulychev, but from them.

For now, foreign science fiction is more adequate; you can read it without feeling disgusted.

Every book has a hint of Christianity. And it's a negative hint.

This is a negative hint about the author, not about Christianity. IMHO.

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#28 3/25/2011 8:10 PM UTC

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What is it comparable to?

My sword, my trusted ally, unphased by my aspect.

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#29 3/25/2011 8:19 PM UTC

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Adequate.

Tomorrow holds no promises
Except the ones we've made

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#30 3/27/2011 9:38 AM UTC

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well, Fyodor Mikhailovich,

Added after 22 hours and 42 minutes
you know what the problem is, I apologize.

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