Posts from Мафия 25. Under The Jolly Roger!

Execute Slonysh - 1 vote (Imaris, the Moon Wolf)
Execute Wishmaster - 2 votes (Hermit)

5 votes are needed for execution.

Another thought occurred to me: the compass might not have been pointing north because there was something metallic nearby, and WishmasteR has Iron Maiden in his signature!

Hmm. If we assume that, then it turns out that the boatswain was the one who killed in the first night, which I don't see the point of. And yes, let me explain why I think the conspirators are dead:
1 - Registrа mentioned the role of the person killed by the maniac in the first night back in the first night.
2 - Aziral'. The description of his execution contained the following phrase:

He drew his saber.

In the list of roles, you can see that the saber is only possessed by the captain (which Aziral' clearly wasn't), the boatswain, and the conspirators. And considering this phrase at the end of the night's summary:

After the last phrase, the boatswain grinned maliciously.

he can't be the boatswain either. As a result, he is clearly a conspirator.
3 - Neyra Drake (or Morning, which I think is less likely). It is clear that one of the players in this pair was a conspirator, and the other was a cannoneer, since the cannoneer's ability does not affect the boatswain, the witch, or the maniac, but it clearly worked in this case.

Not a mafia member, but I can't prove it, just like everyone else except you.

Does anyone even need that? You don't need proof; you're all certified psychoanalysts, it seems. And the way you start dissecting the evidence is just… disheartening.
How many people have you already identified as Kyle's killers? Three or four?

Should I brew some coffee so you can practice reading coffee grounds, or is anyone here still interested in logic as a tool for investigation?

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While reading the page, I was tempted to quote and start arguing, but what's the point if you don't want to think anyway.

Some kind of, IMHO, barbarian clue on Visha.
Damn, we still haven't executed anyone!

In my opinion, either Vishmaster or Slonysh should be executed. Better Vishmaster.

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What other reason could there be for the compass not pointing north? Only because there was something metallic there! I think that's the only explanation...

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Hmm. If we assume that, then it turns out that the boatswain killed someone on the first night, which I don't see the point of.

No, it's not that meaningless - anyway, on the first day, usually no one is executed, nothing is clear yet, who, for example, is a musketeer, a cannoneer, if someone else besides the boatswain goes - there is a risk of getting caught.

What other reason could there be for the compass needle not pointing north??? Only because there was something made of iron there! I think that's the only explanation...

For example, for the simple reason that the compass was broken, Mr. Sherlock. A broken leg can't walk, and a broken compass can't point in a direction.

So, on the first night, Arandor killed:
Imaris (broken compass)
Neyra (also a broken compass)
Aziral (rat on the ship)
Vishmaster (iron)

On the second night, Kayla killed:
Slonysh (diadem)
Imaris ("Black Pearl")
Neyra ("Black Pearl")
Aziral (love potion)
Lizard (pearl earring)

Did I forget anyone? Have I listed all the results of frantic back-and-forth thinking iron logic? Or do we still have a couple of killers lurking somewhere?

Maybe we should stop shooting in the dark at our own and try to put the picture of the game together? :mad:

For example, because the compass was broken, Mr. Sherlock. A broken leg cannot walk, and a broken compass cannot indicate direction.

But why even write that it wasn't pointing north? It's important that it wasn't pointing north! What does it mean to break a compass? If you fix the needle in place, what difference does it make that it wasn't pointing north???

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I'm also starting to doubt you, because a pearl can indeed point to the Wolf...

Yes, that's exactly what I was afraid of. With Morning's death, we've entered a real chaos.
And common sense has completely disappeared here.

I'm betting that Morning was the cannon, and Naira Drake was the conspirator (especially considering the long wait for ND, although it could be a coincidence).

In principle, I didn't suspect either of them (except that Naira tried to drown me at the beginning of yesterday, but it seemed to me that she was sincerely mistaken, and not trying to eliminate me like in Mafia).
But if I had to choose, Morning seemed more trustworthy to me. Although, of course, in the last Mafia game, I also trusted Arandor almost to the very end... that is, until the head of the Mafia. If Morning was Mafia, I take my hat off to him, it was a subtle game. Everyone listened to him, and he was 100% not suspected; I didn't even look at his profile after the nights.

But about the long wait for ND - Zedzi, are you serious or pretending? :mad: I was checking the forum all day and checking the topic. Naira was there late at night, in the morning (Moscow time), and during the day. I decided that now, with only one ND - from the Mafia, we could easily identify the Mafia by their presence on the forum.
So, almost all of us were on the forum during this time, but we couldn't identify the Mafia. Because the GM wasn't on the forum. I left home at 6 PM Moscow time, and according to the information on the main page, Zubr hadn't been there since 2 AM. That's why the night didn't end.

Didn't you notice that, Zedzi? And the presence of Naira, Imaris, Vishmaster, Slonysh, Lizard, Plesen? Or are you deliberately trying to confuse us?
You and Morning were practically unanimous in everything. Is that because you were on the same team? And which team?
However, I admit that you were just joining Morning's opinion, because following a trusted peaceful player is a very good way to deflect suspicion.

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But why write that he didn't point north? It's important that he didn't point north! What does it mean to break a compass? If you stop the needle, what difference does it make that it doesn't point north???

To break a compass (and any object), in my humble opinion, is to make it inoperative. The function of a compass is that a magnetized needle always points north. If it doesn't point there, it's simply impossible to determine direction.

I vote for the execution of **Slonysh**, because the suspicions still haven't been cleared.

And in general, Hostor also found the clue "a rat on the ship." Just one rat, even though there were two murders. If the mafia as a whole was implied, there would be "rats." The saying goes: "rats are fleeing the ship," but here it was about one rat – an interesting hint, in my opinion.

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If we accept Hermit's version, then we have four different mafia killers for all the nights. And also, the boatswain "in action" on the first night!

Are all the mafia members crazy and behaving as absurdly as possible?
Or are we just randomly accusing anyone?


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I vote to execute Slonysh because the suspicions still haven't cleared up.

And you and Vegtam are sitting nicely on the sidelines.

Quietly and peacefully. No one will vote for your execution, even if a pendulum and a charred book are lying at the scene of the murder – you're not behaving suspiciously, are you?

You're not behaving at all. You're not looking for clues, you're not hanging the mafia.

Keep it up, good job.

But regarding the long wait for the Night Duel – Zedzi, are you serious or just pretending? I was checking the forum and the thread all day. Neyra was there late at night, she was there in the morning (Moscow time), she was there during the day. I decided that now, with only one Night Duel – from the Mafia – we could easily identify the Mafia members by their presence on the forum.
So, practically all of us were on the forum during that time, but we couldn't identify the Mafia members. Because the GM wasn't on the forum. I left home at 6 PM Moscow time, and according to the information on the main page, Zubr hadn't been there since 2 AM. That's why the night didn't end.

Didn't you notice that, Zedzi? And the presence of Neyra, Imaris, Vishmaster, Slonysh, Lizard, Plesen? Or are you deliberately trying to confuse us?

Zubr's night visit was approximately at two o'clock; I decided to check the profiles later. (I don't remember the exact time of the check, but judging by my schedule, it was probably between three and four o'clock). And at that time, the only one who hadn't visited the forum during the period from the beginning of the night until Zubr left was Neyra Drake. Although there was also Vegtam, about whom I couldn't find out, as his time was between Zubr's departure and my test, and I couldn't determine it from the messages.
But again, I don't consider this to be proof; I consider it just another detail that may also explain the reason for the delay. And I wouldn't base my judgment on this alone, as it's impossible to rule out the possibility that Zubr had urgent matters or the Mafia took a long time to choose a target and a killer, and it's also impossible to rule out browsing the site in guest mode, especially considering that, according to the rules, Night Duels should be sent via ICQ.

I think most people are just panicking and are ready to hang anyone. On the first day, they didn't want to hang anyone based on the evidence; today, they decided to hang someone even without any evidence. Whoever the Mafia was last night – Neyra or Morning – they didn't participate in the second or third nights; the evidence from those nights doesn't point to them. We can assume a few scenarios. 1. Neyra killed on the first night (compass), Azi on the second (love potion), and on the third (Lenin), and then Neyra again on the fourth. I don't understand why they made this switch. I always thought that the Mafia uses one killer until there's so much evidence against them that it becomes impossible not to reveal them. Here, they completely unreasonably eliminated Azi instead of continuing with Neyra. If neither of them is the Boatswain or the Witch, then there's no point in replacing one with the other based on the role's characteristics. But, of course, anything is possible... 2. Azi killed on the first night (rat), on the second (potion), and on the third (Lenin). As far as I've noticed, the GMs usually simplify the evidence against a player if they see that it's not being understood for several nights in a row, so I'm not surprised about "Lenin." Then, on the fourth night, the Mafia calmly eliminated Neyra, who hadn't been exposed yet – but here, their streak of luck ended, and they got a good response. If these were two conspirators, then this behavior is quite logical – they first used one expendable player to the fullest extent, and then switched to the second, deciding to save the more complex roles. 3. Vishmaster killed on the first night, Slonysh on the second, Azi on the third, and Neyra on the fourth. Perhaps there's some logic to this, but to me, it looks like a suicidal attempt to expose all the Mafia members. Without sorting out the actions of the previous nights and finding a consistent pattern in the Mafia's behavior, we'll be executing people randomly, and, as I see from my own example, mainly our own people! Who will you execute tomorrow, the day after tomorrow? Will you flip a coin?

In reality, the mafia can have different tactics. And sending several people to commit murders can be done to divide the votes among them during the daytime voting, so that none of them are hanged, although this is risky. I won't rush for now. There's no reason to hang Slonysh and Vish yet, and other candidates for shark bait are also questionable.

I would like to clarify with the GM whether night falls today at 19:29 Moscow time.

Execute Ple-Senya.