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If you don't feel any negativity after watching this garbage, then you need to see a doctor. If you found humor in it, then the height of humor for you is jokes like, "Dad, is it true that the internet makes people stupider? Heh-heh, son, lol."
P.S. I would give you a "-", but I never do that.
Why be so harsh on people right away? Trash is a perfectly valid genre where things are allowed that aren't allowed in regular movies. I don't personally enjoy watching these kinds of films, but if I had to choose between awful trash and some purely festival-oriented, depressing film that no one is interested in except for elderly film academy members, I would choose trash. Peter Jackson, for example, started with this and then made Lord of the Rings.
Армия баранов под предводительством льва сильнее армии львов под предводительством барана.

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Will we burn inside the fires of a thousand suns...
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What, for example?
Jumanji, I remember it being completely awful.
Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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If you don't feel any negativity after watching this garbage, then you need to get treatment.
Lol, what?
If you found humor in it, then the height of humor for you is jokes like, "Dad, is it true that the internet makes people dumber? Heh-heh, son, lol."
Stereotypes are stereotypes. You don't need to judge everyone by yourself and then talk about it. It's just easier, lol.
P.S. I would give you a "-", but I never do that.
What "generosity," you're just amazing :O
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Lol, what?

Stereotypes are stereotypes. You don't need to judge everyone by yourself and then talk about it. It's just easier, haha.

What "generosity," you're just amazing :O

Well, yes, stereotypes... It's a whole film of stereotypes. And who are we supposed to judge by? I can't inhabit the body of another being, so I have to judge based on my own feelings. How do you do it? Do you judge by others and stay silent? Then whose opinion are you expressing?
And the fact that I didn't give a negative rating wasn't an act of generosity. I just wanted to give a negative rating for variety, since everyone only gives positive ratings.
ДУРАКОВ ОЧЕНЬ МАЛО, НО ОНИ РАССТАВЛЕНЫ ТАК ГРАМОТНО, ЧТО ВСТРЕЧАЮТСЯ НА КАЖДОМ ШАГУ.
Прошу прощения у Arandor-а. Я слишком резко отреагировал. Просто очень люблю спорт. Извини...[/SIZE]
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Lol what?
Cure for bad taste.
I wanted to give a negative rating just for variety, since everyone only gives positive ratings.
That's right! We need to rebel against society!
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Vayshan
Why be so quick to criticize, trash is a perfectly valid genre where things are allowed that aren't allowed in regular movies. I don't personally enjoy watching these kinds of films, but if I had to choose between a terrible trash film and some overly pretentious, boring film that no one is interested in except for elderly film critics, I would choose the trash film. Peter Jackson started with this, and then he made Lord of the Rings.
There are just a few things I don't understand, for example: "How can you watch these kinds of movies?"; "How can you play the same map over and over again in Heroes?"; "Where do the kiosk vendors go to the bathroom?".
ДУРАКОВ ОЧЕНЬ МАЛО, НО ОНИ РАССТАВЛЕНЫ ТАК ГРАМОТНО, ЧТО ВСТРЕЧАЮТСЯ НА КАЖДОМ ШАГУ.
Прошу прощения у Arandor-а. Я слишком резко отреагировал. Просто очень люблю спорт. Извини...[/SIZE]
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Well, yes, stereotypes... A whole film of stereotypes. And according to what should we judge? I can't inhabit the body of any other creature, so I have to judge based on my own feelings. And how do you do it? Do you "measure" by others and stay silent? Then whose opinion did you express?
O_o What are these talks about inhabiting bodies? I expressed my opinion about the film, without imposing it on anyone. Let's learn some basic politeness. I could also say, "You're sick, go get treatment, if you don't like this film, you moralizing jerk!", but I don't. I didn't even think about saying that, because I am familiar with the concept of "politeness." One should express their point of view delicately, and not in a rude way. If you don't like the film, write what you don't like, instead of ranting about the fact that people are watching it. You can add a bunch of "blah-blah-blah" to your liking, I won't limit you.
And the fact that I didn't give it a negative rating wasn't an act of generosity. I wanted to give it a negative rating just for variety, because everyone else only gives positive ratings.
So, you should have! Why hesitate and do other things. Turn on your inner troll, put on a smirking face, and give it a negative rating, then laugh!
Treatment for bad taste.
Oh, you know, I can watch films of any genre, by any director, with any actors, and I absolutely don't get upset, like some people do. And I even feel sorry for these people, because limiting yourself for such stupid reasons... is BAD, Loki. BAD.

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What? I'm clarifying the words that Andryusha didn't understand.
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Gentlemen Morning and Vayshan! I still haven't understood how your discussion about the movie "Inception" ended (although, as I understand it, the true meaning of the movie's title is more likely "Insertion"). If you wish, I suggest that we work together to resolve the remaining controversial issues. Specifically, the following remains unclear to me: 1. Did the heroes on the first level of the dream actually complete all the work in a few hours, and not in a week? And if so, why did they need those 10 hours of sleep = that week in the dream? (Hypothesis #1: due to the preparedness of Fischer's subconscious projections, they had to drastically reduce the time to complete the task. It is quite possible that they planned to spend several days on the first level, preparing Fischer (torturing him longer or something else), so that he would have no doubts about the reality of what was happening, and only on the last day go to the other levels). 2. Regarding waking up at the end of the flight: either we simply weren't shown how they spend the remaining week on the first level, hiding from Fischer's army (by the way, Fischer himself should have thought that this was reality and disbelieved everything that happened, waking up after that in the plane, if, of course, he remembered anything, and such a vivid dream should have been remembered), or, as Morning rightly noted, they spent the rest of the time without dreams, which should not happen due to the special sedative, which was administered in order to see a shared dream for 10 hours. 3. After the van falls into the water, Vayshan, the participants should have ended up on the first level, and not woken up completely (note that a person wakes up completely when he falls off a chair in the real world (experiments during preparation), i.e., the ejection occurs to the level on which the fall occurs from a deeper level), and they probably woke up completely because the sedative (which is quite specific, since Fischer only sipped the glass that was given to him, and therefore the concentration in his body was significantly lower than in the heroes who drank it completely + the physiological characteristics of each organism are not taken into account) expired. 4. You cannot exit Limbo through an ejection - otherwise, the hero and the old man would not have had to do anything - the explosion of the building would be their ejection. It is unclear why this explosion is needed at all! 5. The hero claims that by the time he leaves Limbo, where he was with his wife, they both aged together in it. But they lie down on the tracks young! paradox! 6. As soon as the train runs over them, they immediately wake up in the real world (this is clearly shown). But when Fischer and the girl-architect die during the mission in Limbo, falling from the balcony, they wake up on the previous level. Why? Or is everything that is happening just the 3rd level of Cobb's dream, and his wife, jumping out the window, went to the 2nd level? unlikely. 7. Cobb stays in Limbo to find Saito. How and why does he end up in the ocean when Saito's guards pull him out? The ocean is the entrance to Limbo, and he was already in it. Furthermore, after shooting themselves, they should, like Fischer and the girl-architect, end up on the previous level, but it is already destroyed... Moreover, Saito is dead on the previous level and is not revived with a defibrillator. So, they immediately wake up, as they once did with his wife? 8. Why does the Asian man mine the elevator when, in zero gravity, he can push this group of people with his hands somewhere in the corridor with acceleration = acceleration of free fall? 9. When the van flips over during the chase, the Asian man is thrown against the walls in the hotel, although instead he should simply wake up in the van, since the flip and fall of the van is a real ejection (besides, the driver is warned: drive carefully, on the 2nd level everything is extremely unstable... amazing care and amazing stability) => and those sleeping in the hotel are also thrown => these are real ejections for them. Why don't they wake up in the hotel, and then in the van? (by the way, with such a consideration, the need to blow up the elevator disappears, since the feeling of falling should pass through all levels. in essence, zero gravity is the feeling of falling, and they should wake up in the hotel as soon as the van starts to fall from the bridge, and then in the van itself. and the Asian man should definitely have woken up as soon as the van started to fall, not having time to blow up the elevator, he was on the second level). 10. A person wakes up, as can be clearly seen in the experiments with the Asian man on the chair, at the moment the fall begins, and not when he has already crashed to the floor. => why do the heroes wake up in the elevator when it hits the end of the shaft, and they hit the roof of the elevator, and not when the elevator is moving with acceleration from the explosion? Perhaps, that's enough for now. I apologize if the topic is old and has been discussed many times, but I still hope that all the misunderstandings will be clarified in favor of the film and it will turn out to be even better than it seems after watching it. Sincerely.
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Gentlemen Morning and Vayshan! I still haven't figured out how your discussion about the movie "Inception" ended (although, as I understand it, the true meaning of the title is more likely "Implantation"). If you are interested, I suggest we make a joint effort to finally resolve the remaining disputed points. Specifically, the following remains unclear to me: did the characters on the first dream level really manage all their work in a few hours rather than a week? It's unclear why they needed those 10 hours of sleep = that week in the dream (guess #1 - because of the preparedness of Fisher's subconscious thugs, they had to sharply reduce the time to execute the plan; it's quite possible they intended to spend several days on the first level preparing Fisher (torturing him longer or something else) so that he would have no doubts about the reality of what was happening, and only go to the other levels on the last day).
Well, the entire plan on the first level consisted only of kidnapping Fisher and connecting him to the shared dream; I think they would have had to spend a week on the first level if there hadn't been a kick.
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2. regarding waking up at the end of the flight: either we simply weren't shown how they spent the rest of the week on the first level hiding from Fisher's army (by the way, Fisher himself was supposed to think it was reality and lose faith in everything that happened upon waking up in the plane, provided he remembered anything at all, and such a vivid dream should be remembered), or as morning correctly noted, they spent the rest of the time without dreams, which shouldn't happen due to the special sedative administered specifically to see the shared dream for 10 hours.
Perhaps it wasn't shown, and they hung out on that level for a week and then simply woke up in the plane (which is exactly why ten hours were needed - this seems to be the duration of the sedative)
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3. After the van fell into the water, dear Vayshan, the participants should have ended up specifically on the first level rather than waking up completely (note that a person wakes up completely when they fall off a chair in the real world (experiments during training), i.e., the kick sends you to the level where the fall occurred from a deeper level) but they woke up completely, apparently, because the sedative wore off (very specific, since Fisher only sipped the glass he was given and therefore the concentration in his body was significantly lower than that of the heroes who drank it all + individual physiological characteristics are not taken into account)
Hm, indeed, so everything is correct.
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4. you cannot exit limbo via a kick - otherwise the hero and the old man wouldn't have had to do anything - the explosion of the building would have been a kick for them. It's not clear why this explosion is even necessary!?
I've re-watched this part of the movie several times - I couldn't understand why this explosion is needed; maybe due to the dubbing, the meaning of the explanatory phrases was slightly altered.
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5. The hero claims that by the time they left limbo, where he had been with his wife, they had grown old together in it. But they lie on the tracks as young people! A paradox!
More likely a conscious movie blooper for dramatic effect. It wouldn't be as dramatic if the train crushed some frail old people.
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6. as soon as the train runs them over, they wake up immediately in the real world (this is clearly shown). But when Fisher and the girl architect die in limbo during the mission, falling from a balcony - they wake up on the previous level. Why? Or is everything happening just Cobb's 3rd dream level, and his wife, jumping out the window, moved to the 2nd?.. unlikely
In my opinion, the movie didn't show that they woke up in reality immediately after being run over by the train. Perhaps they lay under the train in limbo, then jumped from a skyscraper on the third level, then shot themselves on the second, and then woke up on their own.
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7. Cobb stays in limbo to find Saito. How and why does he end up in the ocean when he is pulled out by old man Saito's guards?? The ocean is the entrance to limbo, but he was already in it. Furthermore, after shooting themselves they should, like Fisher and the girl architect, end up on the previous level, but that one is already destroyed... Moreover, Saito is dead on the previous level and isn't revived with a defibrillator. Does that mean they wake up immediately like he once did with his wife?
The fact that he ends up in the ocean again is likely just an effective directorial move; he can't exactly run around limbo on foot searching for Saito, who could be anywhere. After the suicide, they transferred to the first level because the others simply no longer existed.
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8. why does the Asian guy mine the elevator when in zero gravity he could just push this group of people by hand somewhere in a corridor with an acceleration = free fall acceleration?
Probably the kick is a sudden movement of the body downward under the influence of gravity and with free fall acceleration. And that's a very large value; he wouldn't have enough strength to push them like that, and besides, there would be no acceleration in zero gravity—the bodies would simply be given an impulse and the speed would be constant since there is no acceleration.
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9. when the van flips during the chase, the Asian guy in the hotel is thrown against the walls, although instead he should just wake up in the van because the flip and fall of the van is a real kick (moreover, the driver is warned: drive carefully, everything is extremely unstable on the 2nd level... amazing care and striking stability) => those sleeping in the hotel are also thrown => these are real kicks for them.
It seems that this fall was not enough for a kick; essentially, the bodies were just spinning rather than falling. I think the kick is not the fall of the van itself, but the moment it hits the water, because relative to the "van" reference system, the bodies are absolutely stationary during the fall, and from the strong impact on the water, there is a sufficiently strong movement in the direction of the fall (as in the elevator on the second level)
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Why don't they wake up in the hotel, and then in the van? (by the way, with this view, the need to blow up the elevator disappears entirely, since the feeling of falling should pass through all levels. essentially, zero gravity is the feeling of falling, and they should wake up in the hotel as soon as the van starts falling from the bridge, and then in the van itself. and the Asian guy especially should have woken up as soon as the van started to fall, before he could blow up the elevator, since he was on the second level)
No, zero gravity is not a feeling of falling but simply a feeling of absence of gravity. To understand that you are specifically falling, you need to be falling relative to the reference system you are in. Roughly speaking, a person falling from a roof falls because they see themselves moving down relative to the house. A person placed in a diving plane will not experience a feeling of falling because relative to the plane, they aren't moving anywhere (I saw it on TV, zero gravity can be simulated in large transport planes flying in a parabola)
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10. a person wakes up, as clearly seen in the experiments with the Asian guy on the chair, at the moment falling begins, not when they've already hit the floor. => why do the heroes wake up in the elevator when it hits the bottom of the shaft, and they hit the roof of the elevator, rather than when the elevator moves with acceleration from the explosion?
The bodies themselves are stationary; at the moment the charges explode, the elevator itself moves, but at the moment the elevator hits the floor of the shaft, the bodies themselves move.
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Perhaps that's enough for the first time. My apologies if the topic is old and well-worn, but there is still hope that all misunderstood things will be clarified in favor of the movie and it will turn out to be even cooler than it seems after watching ))) Respectfully.
Nolan wanted to make this movie for ten years; I think over those ten years he certainly thought through the script carefully. It's possible that the things we don't understand have an explanation, it just doesn't occur to us)
Армия баранов под предводительством льва сильнее армии львов под предводительством барана.

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Will we burn inside the fires of a thousand suns...
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Vayshan, thank you for the quick and informative response. I agree with many points. So, only the explosion of the building on the 3rd level remains. And the next point: You claim that the surge is precisely the moment the truck hits the water, but according to the film's plot, remember – this is already the second surge, and the first was the beginning of the truck's fall from the bridge – and they missed it. Let's say they could have missed it on the 3rd level, where it wasn't so noticeable. But how did the Asian man in the hotel on the 2nd level miss it (forgive me, I forgot the actor's name and his character's name...), because, as I understand from the film, the surge is an uncontrolled awakening during the fall of a sleeping body?

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Regarding the architect, I don't remember who didn't deal with her, but it seems that everything is as follows: she created all the levels and showed them to those whose dreams each level should be during the operation. She was not supposed to participate in it at all according to the initial plan, and Cobb only orders her a ticket because she convinces him that he cannot handle the projection of his wife. I know for sure that the first level is the dream of the truck driver who made the sleeping pills (at the very beginning, he is told "– you forgot to pee before going to sleep?" because of the rain), the second is someone from those sleeping in the truck, and the 3rd level is, according to the plot, the dream of Fischer himself. Here, it is unclear, firstly: why is it his dream that is the labyrinth created by Ariadne, and secondly: why is the 3rd level filled with his subconscious if it is his dream. And another addition: why are all the dream levels filled only with Fischer's subconscious? Where is the subconscious of the other participants (except for Cobb's wife and the train)? Why, after years of working in this field, couldn't they train their subconscious to fight and, in response to Fischer's thugs, simply roll out tanks?
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Vayshan, thank you for the quick and informative response. I agree with many points. So, only the explosion of the building on the 3rd level remains. And the next point: You claim that the surge is precisely the moment the truck hits the water, but according to the plot of the film, remember – this is already the second surge, and the first was the beginning of the truck falling from the bridge – and they missed it. Let them have missed it on the 3rd level, where it wasn't so strongly felt. But how did the Asian guy in the hotel on the 2nd level miss it (forgive me, I forgot the name of his character...), because, as I understand from the film, the surge is an uncontrolled awakening during the fall of a sleeping body?
At the beginning of the truck's fall from the bridge, it breaks through the bridge barrier with its rear, that is, the bodies of the main characters, due to inertia, try to move to the rear of the truck, but the backrests of the seats prevent this. Nevertheless, this impact was felt on all levels, but the force was apparently not enough to awaken them.
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[/U]Regarding the architect, I don't remember who didn't deal with her, but it seems that everything is as follows: she created all the levels and showed them to those whose dream each level should be during the operation. She was not supposed to participate in it at all according to the initial plan, and Cobb orders her a ticket only because she convinces him that he himself will not be able to handle the projection of his wife. I know for sure that the first level is the dream of the truck driver who made the sleeping pills (at the very beginning, due to the rain, they reproach him with "– forgot to pee before going to sleep?"), the second is someone from those sleeping in the truck, and the 3rd level is, according to the plot, the dream of Fischer himself. Here, it is unclear, firstly: why is it his dream that is precisely the labyrinth created by Ariadne, and secondly: why is the 3rd level filled with his subconscious if it is his dream. And another addition: why are all levels of the dream filled only with Fischer's subconscious? And where is the subconscious of the other participants (except for Cobb's wife and the train)? Why couldn't they train their subconscious over the years of working in this field to fight and, in response to Fischer's thugs, simply roll out tanks?
The third level is the dream of Ems (the one who can transform), the second level is the dream of Arthur ("Asian" in your terminology, although I didn't notice anything like that, just a normal eye shape), and the first, yes, is the dream of the chemist. As for the subconscious, they didn't even know that Fischer was trained to resist such intrusions; this came as a surprise to them on the first level. Apparently, you can't just create armies at will.
Армия баранов под предводительством льва сильнее армии львов под предводительством барана.

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Will we burn inside the fires of a thousand suns...
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Recently, I watched the bizarre musical "Genetic Opera." The actors are good, but overall, the spectacle is strange, absurd, and inexplicable. Black humor? Grotesque? Parody? OR ARE THEY SERIOUS?? It's amusing, though. I wouldn't recommend it. But I do recommend the animated film "Despicable Me." I've watched it three times myself, and I'll watch it again. The plot is, of course, cliché – a villain softens under external influences (in the form of three orphaned girls) and becomes a good guy (well, almost). But the humor! And Yarmochnik's dubbing! Overall, watch it; you won't regret it.
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I watched the cartoon about the three bogatyrs. Overall, I liked it; it has a decent number of funny moments. Alyosha is the funniest, but I like Dobrynya the most. And yes, now I just need to watch the cartoon about Ilya, because I haven't seen it yet. Does it even exist?

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I've watched the first three heroic animated films. To be honest, I liked the one about Dobrynya the most, and the one about Ilya the least. In my opinion, Muromets is portrayed as a rather stereotypical positive hero, and the prince is completely neglected. And the pink elephant. What does the pink elephant have to do with it? Although, overall, the film is still good, but it's not as good as the first two. Again, that's just my opinion.
 

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