Haven faction discussion. — Haven

=Feel999=

15 years ago

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The champion will be a holy avenger; the developers promised unusual riders. ;) Or, as already mentioned, a Paladin with a two-handed weapon.
Or, judging by the known units, we could make Seraphim the champions (this is what I would like).

Достоинство человека определяется тем, каким путем он идет к цели, а не тем, достигнет ли он ее.;)
Демократия есть одурачивание народа при помощи народа ради блага народа.(Уайльд Оскар)

Победитель

15 years ago

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Hmm, I don't think a warrior with a two-handed weapon or a cavalry unit could be stronger than a seraph. The archer in a chariot sounds more interesting, but how would that fit with Elrath?

Daughters of Light also can't be champions. I hope it will be angels after all.

Карты для Heroes of Might and Magic V
Цикл "Закадычные враги": "Особенное гостеприимство, "Супероружие", "Меж молотом и наковальней"
"Падение Шантири"

Кампания для "Кодекса Войны"
"Выбор Сагиттеля"

=Feel999=

15 years ago

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No one is saying that, here people are just expressing their opinions about the potential champions. Daughters of Light are definitely not champions – at most, they are elite.

Достоинство человека определяется тем, каким путем он идет к цели, а не тем, достигнет ли он ее.;)
Демократия есть одурачивание народа при помощи народа ради блага народа.(Уайльд Оскар)

5p74

15 years ago

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I really want them to bring back the Paladin and make him similar to the one in King's Bounty, but larger in size. On the other hand, I'd like to see cavalry as well. I wouldn't mind if the Paladin was on horseback and was a champion! He would deal powerful blows with a charge and resurrect units!

I like the angels that were in Heroes 5 and here, but I would like to see an angel in the champions that looks more impressive, in powerful armor and with a spear (similar to the one in Disciples 2)!!!

Happy Life

15 years ago

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Here's another interesting option: an angel-mounted knight!

My sword, my trusted ally, unphased by my aspect.

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Победитель

15 years ago

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Morning

Here's another interesting idea: an angel rider!

Considering your reaction in the "HoMM6 units" thread, I won't even comment :smile15:. Seriously, a simple warrior can't be stronger than an angel! I'm not against having both cavalry and paladins with two-handed weapons (I liked their animation in King's Bounty :)), but they should be elite! It's just absurd that a holy warrior is stronger than the helpers of God! And angels look quite impressive for a champion. By the way, have they announced any new units yet?

Карты для Heroes of Might and Magic V
Цикл "Закадычные враги": "Особенное гостеприимство, "Супероружие", "Меж молотом и наковальней"
"Падение Шантири"

Кампания для "Кодекса Войны"
"Выбор Сагиттеля"

Happy Life

15 years ago

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There's no way a simple warrior can be stronger than an angel!

Are you implying that a basic supernatural creature, equivalent to a demon of average strength, can't be weaker than someone else?

My sword, my trusted ally, unphased by my aspect.

King_Arniel

15 years ago

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Griffins are a bit weak, but the other creatures are incredibly powerful.

А нехрен было вкусные звериные трупы жрать на ночь в таком количестве!
Макс Фрай, Sweet Plum
http://www.lordswm.com/?rid=513038

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Победитель

15 years ago

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Morning

So, you're implying that a simple supernatural creature, equivalent to a demon of average strength, can't be weaker than someone else?

A simple supernatural creature :D... Are you talking about angels? I mean, they're God's helpers, so they must be stronger than ordinary mortals, right? But that's just my opinion. We just need to wait for an official statement from the developers.

By the way, where did you get the idea that an angel's strength is equal to the average strength of a demon? In "Heroes 5" (and "Heroes 3" as well), angels are the opposite of devils, not all demons in general; they are even stronger than devils :).

Карты для Heroes of Might and Magic V
Цикл "Закадычные враги": "Особенное гостеприимство, "Супероружие", "Меж молотом и наковальней"
"Падение Шантири"

Кампания для "Кодекса Войны"
"Выбор Сагиттеля"

Майор Вихрь

15 years ago

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Shouldn't they be stronger than ordinary mortals?

Angels are "ordinary mortals" in the game. Yes, they are physically stronger and larger than a human, and possess a couple of magical properties, but that's it. However, this does not mean that a human alone is unable to defeat an angel.

O God of Earth and Altar,
Bow down and hear our cry,
Our earthly rulers falter,
Our people drift and die,
The walls of gold entomb us,
The swords of scorn divide,
Take not thy thunder from us,
Take away our pride.

G.K. Chesterton: English Hymnal

Happy Life

15 years ago

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Shouldn't they be stronger than ordinary mortals?

Not necessarily ordinary mortals. But why not, if that's the case? Of course, we're not talking about a peasant with a pitchfork, but about someone impressive. In the main menu of the original Heroes 5, a pathetic, ordinary mortal inquisitor overcomes the devil.

By the way, where did you get the idea that the strength of an angel is equal to the average strength of a demon? In "Heroes 5" (and "Heroes 3" as well), angels are the opposite of demons, not all demons in general; they are even stronger than devils.

And why didn't you mention the fourth game?
This opposition is a game convention. 3DO really wanted to give players in the third part a strong super-unit for the humans, and they put an angel on the seventh level. Well, that's fine, but making the Devil a common unit is clever, of course. I hope XEL doesn't run in here now and start quoting from the lore.

My sword, my trusted ally, unphased by my aspect.

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korrag

15 years ago

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Winner

Just a simple supernatural being :D... Are you talking about angels? I'm saying they are God's helpers, shouldn't they be stronger than ordinary mortals? But that's just my opinion. And again, we just need to wait for the official statement from the developers.

By the way, where did you get the idea that an angel's strength is equal to the average strength of a demon? In "Heroes 5" (and "3" as well), angels are the opposite of devils, not all demons at once, they are even stronger than devils :).

We are talking about the game, not the real world. And anything is possible there. For example, I don't understand how a griffin can be weaker than a monk in "Heroes 5"?

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Повелитель Блэк

15 years ago

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Angels are essentially "ordinary mortals" in the game. Yes, they are physically stronger and larger than humans, and possess a few magical properties, but that's it.

However, this doesn't mean that a human alone is incapable of defeating an angel.

An angel is a loyal follower of Elrath, so it's worth considering whether they are simply immortal or something more complex!

Победитель

15 years ago

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No, even in "Heroes," angels are not ordinary mortals. They should be stronger than humans. For example, even in the death animation, they don't die but fly back to Elrath.

We are talking about the game, not the real world. Anything is possible there. For example, I don't understand how a griffin can be weaker than a monk in Heroes 5?

Yes, this puzzled me. Indeed, it's illogical :confused:. But I hope that in the case of the angel, the developers will consider how logical it is for a paladin to be stronger than a seraph! By the way, in the intro, the inquisitor is only fighting an archdevil. No one defeats anyone there. It's just unclear why they chose a priest as the opponent instead of an angel? Although, I remember, I liked the intro, and I even watched it to the end several times :):rolleyes:.

Карты для Heroes of Might and Magic V
Цикл "Закадычные враги": "Особенное гостеприимство, "Супероружие", "Меж молотом и наковальней"
"Падение Шантири"

Кампания для "Кодекса Войны"
"Выбор Сагиттеля"

Майор Вихрь

15 years ago

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The loyal angel is a close associate of Elrath, so it's worth considering whether they are simple or complex immortals!

Actually, yes, I refreshed my memory by reading the description of angels in Heroes of Might and Magic V. It states that "they are immune to death," although this does not negate the vulnerability of their physical form.

O God of Earth and Altar,
Bow down and hear our cry,
Our earthly rulers falter,
Our people drift and die,
The walls of gold entomb us,
The swords of scorn divide,
Take not thy thunder from us,
Take away our pride.

G.K. Chesterton: English Hymnal

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