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Posts from DISCUSSIONS on “Rules for online games in HoMM3 and formulas for calculating player rating.”Auto-translated
It's interesting. Some "minor violations" appear. Why do I play strictly according to the rules? Even when I have a fast unit, I spend extra movement points to kill the guards, even though they can be defeated without losses in a quick battle? And someone will say: "Oh, why bother fighting, they'll be defeated without losses anyway, I won't waste movement points. It won't affect the outcome of the game." Why do I dismiss Mullich, a level 3 unit? And someone will say, "What difference does it make?" No, it doesn't. There are rules – follow them. Or let's create a gradation of what can be violated and what cannot. I think this is fair and normal.
Are you also complaining about a player who clearly won the game and spent several days using the freed-up Isra to gather resources without engaging in battles?
Are you also complaining about a player who won cleanly and then used the freed-up Isra for several days to gather resources without engaging in battles?
I'm all for it! Because I will be counting the days of Isra's existence, and why should my opponent have to think about other things? Personally, I wouldn't demand a tech loss in such cases, but I would understand if the judge awarded me the loss.
One option is to define violations, where a Player's transgression would not result in a technical defeat.
The second option is that for any violation of the rules, the winning side (which committed the violation) receives a technical defeat (unless the losing side agrees to annul the match), provided, of course, that the losing side raises the issue of sanctions.
In my opinion, the second option is preferable because, otherwise, there are prohibitions, but they don't mean anything. Why even write them down then?
Dubrovin, Darth – have you never watched football? When an attacking player is fouled, but the attack continues, a good referee doesn’t blow the whistle but lets the play continue. Even though it’s against the rules. And according to your original logic, after such an episode, the match should be annulled because the rules were broken. So, what’s the point of having rules if they aren’t followed?
For: - Reducing restarts (from 111 and 113 to 3 days, or even better to 2). There's even a decent argument: the blue player (by color :D) seeing a complete disaster on 111, but having a restart available on 113, will wait until the last moment, hoping the opponent takes a restart, and will even move slowly, creating an aura of "oh, what a nightmare!". This is an unnecessary "time-stalling" tactic, of which there is already too much in Heroes. This way, seeing it's bad, they immediately take a restart, saving themselves and their opponent half an hour of time; - Restart due to a block or 1 road in ГО; - Starting with Necropolis not as Galthran; - Using Muliq and Isra with expert Necromancy as scouts without fights. - Banning multidefiting and all game bugs that can later be verified.
Against: - Hit-and-run. Specifically as Vic wrote - after any cast; - Banning the war camp. Where that came from is completely unclear; - Banning digging for the Grail. Why are you all so afraid of it? How many people have actually dug it up online? Only ban building it in Tower and Conflux, as the bonuses there are too strong, but allow digging from 111. Personally, for me, this would be + to fun. :smile20: - Banning scrolls of 4th and 5th level even with the Mage Guild built (i.e., against a ban on scrolls altogether). In general, it would be nice to unban all mages except Solmyr, Aislinn, and Dimer. What's bad about Loins being able to cast Prayer without the Mage Guild? - Informing the opponent whether I broke through zone guards or not. This is completely absurd, imo; if it's unclear whether a passage is breached or not, just attack yourself and be done with it. I will not inform my opponent of anything, even if this heresy gets voted in.
Dubrovin, Darti – have you never watched football? When an attacking player is fouled, but the attack continues, a good referee doesn't blow the whistle but lets the play continue, even though it's against the rules. And according to your original logic, after such an episode, the match should be annulled because the rules were violated. What's the point of having rules if they aren't followed?
Valentin, you are constantly trying to answer for other people and present your invented answer as their true opinion. In your football example, I wouldn't stop the game either. You are drawing incorrect parallels.
When an attacking player is fouled, but the attack continues, a GOOD referee doesn't blow the whistle but lets the play continue. Even though it's not according to the rules.
What is this white-hot rage? This is exactly according to the rules. Just as it is that if the ball is intercepted immediately, the game should be stopped.
I don't understand what the argument is about. The person deliberately left Vedomina with expert-level Necromancy, knowing that it's forbidden. If they didn't want to fire her, they could have asked the opponent – if he didn't mind, she could have continued playing. But as it stands, the rules were broken, and what she was doing there isn't really important. You could just as easily say, "Well, I opened a Cartographer, what's the big deal, he didn't have much of a chance anyway..."
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
I don't understand what the argument is about. The player deliberately left Vedomina with expert necromancy, knowing that it's forbidden. If they didn't want to fire her, they could have asked the opponent if they were okay with it. Otherwise, the rules have been broken, and what she was doing isn't really important. You could just as easily say, "Well, I opened the cartographer, what's the big deal, he didn't have much of a chance anyway..."
Okay, I don't see the point in arguing further. If someone thinks that rules are just there to be followed and to nitpick them after losing, that's their business. I stand by my opinion and am fully confident in my rightness. Wlk777
A player demanding a technical victory on such grounds doesn't deserve any respect, nor do the judges or the arbitration committee if they award such a technical victory in the event of a complaint from such a player. I myself have used freed forbidden heroes (Isru, Vidomina, Mullich) as scouts, without engaging them in any battles, and I haven't received any complaints from opponents about this. If I did, I would tell them to go away, and maybe even very far away :D
The argument is over; let everyone stick to their own opinion.
The argument is over; let everyone stick to their opinion.
We won't argue. But to conclude, I want to refresh the public's memory with one post. After reading it, let everyone draw their own conclusions. /topic/at/313401/ It's easy to reason from the sidelines, but when a tournament result is at stake, perspectives change, and all these words become meaningless!
Golden words, Yuri Venediktovich!Wlk777
In the future, if anyone wants to win an online Tournament, they should learn to study and follow its rules.
It's easy to talk from the sidelines, but when a tournament result is at stake, your perspective changes, and all those words become meaningless!
The example is incorrect. The opponent didn't show up for the game, and they were repeatedly reminded about it – that's their problem. This has nothing to do with the game itself, if it had taken place. By the way, there's an opinion that if the game had taken place, I would have definitely lost – I don't agree with that; look at the result of the game in FB-2. I just think that if a person didn't have enough time to play, there's no point in extending it.
5.14. Bugs:
5.14.1. It is forbidden to sell Artifacts or Scrolls on the Artifact Market (Tower, Conflux, Dungeon) at prices that do not correspond to their actual value.
5.14.2. It is forbidden to use the bug that allows viewing an opponent's hero.
5.14.3. It is allowed to use the bug that allows viewing an opponent's towns.
All bugs will be fixed in the new HD mod version; perhaps you could replace point 5.14 with "we are playing on the HD version" (at least for tournaments)?
Wlk777
