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The core argument in favor of the Grail is that such situations will be extremely rare. Furthermore, how do you envision this working? First, the player visits the obelisks, and then what, they run into unexplored territory to dig? If they run to an already explored location, why couldn't they achieve the same result fairly? By the way, there are other bugs that are difficult to control.
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Popados, it's a powerful Mage with Arcomage and riding a bird.
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Oelm
The gist of the argument for the Grail is that such situations will be extremely rare. Besides, how do you envision this? First, the player visits the obelisks, and then what, runs to dig in unexplored territory? If he runs to an already explored location, why couldn't he have achieved the same honestly? By the way, there are other bugs that are difficult to control.

On template L, I think it's not that hard to find the right spot... places 3 weaklings on tiles, one on a spot where he knows for sure the Grail is, and two as decoys... and digs it up... how do you prove he didn't know and just got lucky?

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Oelm
That's a loss — a leveled-up Mage with Armageddon and on a Bird.
Yeah right, one who will do his job anyway...
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Homunculus, sorry, but you wrote that in a silly way. The difference is huge.
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Restart after meeting on turns 115-116-117, depending on the speed of the roads: if players make direct contact with each other within the specified timeframe (i.e., any battle occurs between them), one of them has the right to demand a restart. If both players agree to continue, that is their right.
So, if an empty Castle of the opponent is captured on turn 116 without a battle, is this grounds for a restart or not? This is a crucial question if one wants to avoid a restart based on the meeting rule.

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I haven't seen anyone dig up the Grail yet.
I dug it up. One obelisk at a time (there was only one lava zone on the map, so I found it quickly). IMO, on week 6, it doesn't play a big role, as the probability that the game will last for a few more days is very low. Although, the +30% to Necromancy helped me then.

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I suggest bringing Mullich back into the game! Let him be! ;)
Can you imagine Mullich with a Crystal Ball and a Speed Amulet? :smile15:
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It’s better to ban Gosha.
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Oelm
Homunculus, sorry, but you wrote that in a silly way. The difference is huge.

Yes, I know, I've already argued with many people here about this... I think it's better if everyone sticks to their own opinion... ;)
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Can you imagine Mullich with a magic orb and a speed cloak? :smile15:
I think he'll be a match for Tazar.

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It's better to ban Gosha.
+1. Make him start as a Necromancer, like in Favorites.
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Pasha, are you going to keep writing the word "censorship"? When will you start assigning points? Otherwise, the forum is starting to turn into a verbal garbage dump. Or should we call moderators from other sections? :confused:
Kostya, the moderators (according to them) can't assign points right now. So, no one can catch up to me, and there's no need to bother asking for the permanent ban to be lifted. We've reached communism :D
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2 Pavel Dubrovin

Pasha, are you going to keep using the word "censorship"? When are you going to start assigning points? Otherwise, the forum is starting to turn into a verbal garbage dump. Or should we call moderators from other sections? :confused:


Kostya, why don't you sign up as a Moderator and give it a try? :)

Where do you see the garbage? Everything is being cleaned up and corrected promptly, and as for punishment, it will definitely come.
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It seemed necessary to draw the topic starter's attention to this:
5.10.4. All hero specialists in level 4 magic, as well as Tanta (Animate Dead), may use their signature spells against an opponent in the following cases:
a) if the 4th level of the Mage Guild (Mage Guild) has been built in any of the controlled castles (3rd for Tanta). If these castles do not have the required Mage Guild level, then it is necessary to fully build the Mage Guild of all levels in any two castles that belong to you. Visiting this castle with a hero is not mandatory. If the condition is met, then it does not matter whether the castles with the required Mage Guild will be controlled subsequently.
b) find and visit with any hero the "Sanctuary of Magical Thoughts" containing the Animate Dead spell (to use Tanta's signature spell)
c) If any of your heroes receives the corresponding spell from a Pandora's Box, pyramid, after visiting a scholar, or in a spell book (even if this hero does not have sufficient Wisdom skill to learn that spell).

There are no level 4 spells in pyramids, so it should be removed from the list.

A note on the Grail... I don't understand why you're torturing yourselves...
When opening saves after a game, the opponent's position is visible anyway, so what's so hard about looking at their map puzzle? If there's a cross – no questions, meaning they've taken the required number of obelisks for digging; if there's no cross – then they're cheating (figuring out where to dig without enough fragments is just... that would require digging in the center, and it would take way too much time...). I think the Grail is needed, but simply ban it in Necropolis, in Tower, and in Conflux. Demons don't need an extra 15 imps – that's only 60 HP and 2 pit fiends won't make a difference (though if you have about 5 infernos )) then it's somewhat decent, combined with the rest of the growth bonuses). The other towns just get a substantial bonus... no imba.
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Regarding point 5.2, I believe it is correct to establish the following: 5.2. Hit-and-run tactics are prohibited: the attacking hero is not allowed to retreat in the first round of battle if they have used magic that, in any way, worsens the opponent's position. It is permissible to inflict damage on oneself (e.g., to reduce the cost of a bribe). If the opponent resists, the attacking hero may retreat in the first round. The hit-and-run rule does not apply to a hero who is defending. Point 5.12. The Grail cannot be extracted. Point 5.13. It is best to leave it as is. 5.14.4. It is permitted to attack a Guardian more than once if it contains an enhanced stack.
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Could you please explain how scrolls (section 5.11, which is solely about scrolls) relate to the pyramid?
Инфа о разных моих проектах, по большей части геройских, тут http://phomm.narod.ru
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I read about the Necromancers, Isru and Vidomina. Recently, in a game, I defended a prison against a horde of golems on turn 113 (I was playing as Sylvan). Vidomina had esper-enhanced necromancy and a good amount of gold. Of course, I didn't get rid of her; I hid her in my castle first, and then used her as a collector. I got rid of the skeletons right away, by the way. My opponent was happy about this fact after a frustrating loss in the final and, as it were, won due to a rules violation on HW. This is like when one politician said: "Finished or not, 5 minutes!" It's time for you guys to create some fixes.
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Master_A

It's time for you guys to release some fixes.


They treated you harshly, but why get upset if these are the Rules? Either you play by them, or you discuss changes with your Opponent in advance.

In general, since it's always possible to track whether Izra and Vidomina were recruited with Expert Necromancy or not (based on their Experience points), it would be reasonable to include in the Rules the possibility of Izra and Vidomina being present with Expert Necromancy, provided they do not participate in battles (or participate, but all or part of the Skeletons are dismissed).
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