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Dirty_Player
You were misled. A draw would have given him 1st place. And in this tournament, that's much better than 2nd or 3rd.

Damn, I barely managed to trick Vik, and then you figured me out! :smile05:
Не бійся коли ти один, бійся коли ти нуль.

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Wlk777
Organizers and Wick, you are wrong; this is not the way to do things. What is this tech win for Mar?

Neither in this tournament nor in any other tournament are there mandatory settings for games. One could create a report like "lost on moral grounds with griffons at 114 – victory for Mar," but the guys decided not to bother.
What is the purpose of all this fuss? There is a regulation that clearly defines everything. For example, what if I get a strong opponent with Inferno or Barbarians, and based on the interests of the tournament, I want to play SoD? According to the regulations, I have that right, just as my opponent with Rampart has every right to demand SoD in a game against Swamp Castle. All of this is a legitimate right for players to decide what is best in a given situation; why these perversions with polls are unclear. Those who only want VT should not sign up for a tournament where SoD is the default. IMHO=[/QUOTE]

Valentin, stop causing trouble! :) No one intends to deviate from the rules; if one of the opponents insists on SoD, they will play SoD. This isn't about honor or anything else; in some matches, it simply isn't beneficial to play VT, and I think everyone was aware of this when choosing their castle.
The goal of the poll is to make the games in the playoffs more convenient for the players, i.e., to distribute them by castles, versions, and strength as much as possible. We would like to avoid tech wins altogether, but apparently someone's principled stance won't allow that.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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Ban us and Vik already)))
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Write too little and they won't understand; write too much and they won't read...

I'll explain one more time: we are conducting a technical survey to clarify which version the playoff participants intend to play on. We aren't implying any secret meaning, and we aren't planning to ban anyone (I wonder, for what?)

We want to divide the players into 3 groups:
1) Those who want to play on WT and only on WT — our Inferno — FireToSky, Wicc, LeBron — maybe someone else will join?
2) Those who will play only on SoD (these are those who don't have WT at all; those for whom it's disadvantageous to play their Castle on WT; those who dislike something about WT; ....) If the draw leaves no other option but to pit these players against the first group, then we will award the WT players a technical win.
3) Those who are ready to play with the first group on WT under any circumstances. These players will not demand a technical win based on the version.

All other options are determined by the agreement between players. You can play on TE if you agree. SoD is the default version. If there are options regarding who and what to play on, it makes sense to declare only SoD, and then agree with each opponent individually before a specific game.

Therefore, I repeat the request to those who haven't replied yet — answer the question about the version clearly; there is no need to write long, rambling tactical considerations, and no need to invent new rules for the regulations:
1) only SoD,
2) only WT,
3) SoD or WT at the opponent's discretion.

Here is the current status:
Round of 16 participants:
1. RomarioGrom (Conflux) only SoD
2. Keba (Dungeon) ?
3. Mizrael (Castle) ?
4. OUTLAW (Rampart) ?
5. Satyr (Fortress) SoD or WT at the opponent's discretion
6. Kluka (Rampart) only SoD
7.
8.

Play-off match participants (in brackets - group position):
1. Erdem (Fortress) only SoD (2)
2. Pavel Dubrovin (Castle) only SoD (3)
3. LeBron (Inferno) only WT (2-3 ?)
4. AYMAN (Rampart) only SoD (2-3 ?)
5. Wicc (Inferno) only WT (2)
6. Mar (Conflux) (3) only SoD (3)
7. FireToSky (Inferno) only WT (2-3 ?)
8. Wlk777 (Fortress) ? (2-3 ?)
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16.

Playoff participants, position undetermined:
scorp (Dungeon) only SoD
Gomunguls (Dungeon) only SoD
Alone (Necropolis) only SoD
SEM_56 (Fortress) only SoD

Now about the goals of our tournament.
Our goal is to play as our favorite castle. This is the primary goal from the organizers' point of view. Therefore, we want to arrange the draw to avoid technical results as much as possible.
There is another goal — to identify the winner and the prize winners.
In a sense, there is a contradiction here. Winning can come through technical wins, throws, unplayable matchups... Then no one cares about playing as their favorite castle. Our players are different, and what is more important for each is their own business.
Wicc
It's all because of the strange regulations. When 3-4 people advance from a group of 5, such situations are practically inevitable — someone in the final round won't care about the result. Ideally, 1-2 players should advance from the group; then almost all key games would be played with proper motivation.
If only 1-2 players advance from a group of 5, 30-50% of games often go unplayed, as motivation ends after 2 losses and 2 rounds. With our "strange regulations," 85% of matches have already been played, with 2 weeks left for make-up games. We have extended the motivation until the final round, and in many groups, until the very last game. We stick to the main goal — to play, not just to identify a winner.
Wicc
Satyr also told me that there's no point in finishing our match since he already has 4 wins, so we just recorded a draw.
Ooo, in a group of 5 players, "already 4 wins" with one game still unplayed...
Wicc
Due to a lack of tournament motivation (regardless of the outcome, I'm in 2nd place), I ask that you record a technical defeat for me in the match against Mar.
Wicc
...I came here to play as Fiona, not to fight for my rights.
Mark, by the way, is a cool guy — he didn't insist on the rules, agreed to play on WT, and chose a good template (mini-nostalgia). It's actually a pity we didn't play.
From my point of view — contradictory statements. If you came to play, why didn't you play? What "tournament motivation," if the tournament could end for you in the very next round? You wouldn't even get a chance to play as Fiona... Well, it's your business, of course...
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Pit for LM
From my point of view, these are contradictory statements. If you came to play, why didn't you play? What tournament motivation is there if the tournament might end for you in the very next round? You won't even have time to play as Fiona... Well, it's your decision, of course...
There is no contradiction here. You can simply play as Fiona in a fan game. But in a tournament, the games have increased responsibility and motivation, and that's the goal.
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Pit, if we admit that the random number generator is rigged, then let's arrange a match with Vik or Fayer so that we can at least play one game in the playoffs.

"Это нам идеально подходит!" [Новосибирск, 2013]
"Красавчик! Если только не читер.." [Киев, 2014]
"Это Вам не шутки - нажрался Dust в маршрутке" [Новокузнецк, 2015]
Сам ты фиш (с) :D
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#334
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Yeah, I wouldn't mind playing with some doggies.
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LeBron
Pit if we admit that the draw is rigged...
We never said that the draw would be random.
If we included Vik in the tournament, who stated he would play only WT, then we are responsible for ensuring he plays as many games as possible. That's why we drew the groups based on the game version.
LeBron
...match us against Vik or Faer so we can at least play one game in the playoffs :)
It is very likely that this will be the only opportunity.
And such a game promises to be very interesting)))
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There is no obligation to play games in this or any other tournament. One could have cooked up a report like "lost due to moral griffins on 114 - victory for Maru," but the guys decided not to bother.
I am against such misplaced liberalism. In any serious real sports tournament, a player's or team's refusal based on the principle of "I don't need this anymore" would lead to serious sanctions, up to disqualification and heavy fines. The same goes for match-fixing. This is, in my opinion, your first tournament where you are one of the leads—obviously little experience. Other more experienced and principled organizers view such things very poorly. Although, of course, since Vick lacks gaming honor in addition to other shortcomings, it's hard to do anything besides removing him from the tournament.
P.S. - The organizers' arguments regarding the version did not convince me, and I reserve the right to choose—to demand SoD according to the regulations or play VT by mutual agreement.
Всем удачи ! И Морали !
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Wlk777
I am against such inappropriate liberalism. In any serious real sports tournament, a player or team refusing to participate on the principle of "I don't want to anymore" will result in serious sanctions, up to and including disqualification and significant fines. The same applies to fixed matches. This is, in my opinion, your first tournament where you are one of the organizers, and it's obvious that you have little experience. Other, more experienced and principled organizers treat such things very badly. Although, of course, since Wick has a lack of integrity in addition to his other shortcomings, it is difficult to do anything other than remove him from the tournament.
A ban only makes sense if it can be enforced. In the case of Heroes games, this is impossible – there is always the option of writing a fake report about a loss on something. Therefore, there is no point in banning it.
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Wicc
A ban only makes sense if it can be enforced. In the case of Heroes games, this is impossible – there will always be a way to write a fake report about cheating on something. Therefore, there is no point in banning it.
I'm guilty :) I couldn't resist and looked at the post despite being on ignore (as an exception). I'll answer – the organizers can control many things with great difficulty. For example, map hacking and save file tampering. But cheating can be accidentally exposed, even easier than with map hacking, and then such a person will be kicked out of the tournament, not allowed to participate in new ones, and suffer some damage to their reputation. And also – how will a player who "won" in a non-existent game and wrote a report about it look? Then it's not far to being called a cheater. And, by the way, it is quite possible to check – request saves, asec logs, etc. It is unlikely that anyone will try to fake this – it will be outright cheating.
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Wlk777
I am guilty :) I couldn't resist and looked at the post despite being on ignore (as an exception). I will answer: organizers can control many things, but with great difficulty. For example, map hacks and save file tampering. But it may happen that cheating is accidentally revealed, for example, in the case of a fake report (even easier than with map hacks), and then such a person will be kicked out of the tournament, and the organizers will prevent them from participating in future tournaments, and there will be some damage to their reputation.
I read it for a long time, but I still don't understand the criteria by which it is determined whether a report is fake or not. I can suggest a few options. So, a report is not fake if:
1) the players communicated on ICQ and know each other by their nicknames;
2) they simultaneously logged into the same network in Hamachi (or its equivalent);
3) one created a game, and the other joined;
4) 1 player honestly chose all the rests and lost, or waited for the time when a rest was no longer possible and lost - please indicate the correct one.
In terms of gameplay value, the options are practically identical; the difference in time spent may be several hours.
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I read it for a long time, but I still don't understand the criteria by which it is determined whether a report is valid or not. I can suggest a few options. So, a report is valid if:
1) the players communicated in ICQ and know each other by their nicknames;
2) they logged into the same network in Hamachi (or its equivalent) at the same time;
3) one created a game, and the other joined;
4) 1 player honestly chose all the rest periods and surrendered, or waited for the time when a rest period is no longer possible and surrendered - please specify the correct one.
In terms of gameplay value, the options are practically identical; the difference in time spent can reach several hours.
An invalid report is when there was no game. Your options (as I understand it, for a correct refusal to play, one player must communicate with the opponent in ICQ and "surrender" by choosing all the rest periods or, for example, something similar on turn 114, seem like a perversion; few people will spend time on this. But even in this case, at least one of the players is honest, which is already good. Unlike the case with a dialogue like: "write some kind of report about the guilt, and I will confirm it."
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What nonsense are they talking about here? Ban someone already!
Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.