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You're not being fair!
Level up your Wisdom to Expert, and you won't have any problems...
What you got in Pandora's Box (meaning, what you took) is the spell you received!
And what's left, well, sorry, you missed out on it)):rolleyes:
Well, I'm not against it. Change the rules, and let it be that way :)
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Pavel and Roman's thinking is at the level of "I think it would be unfair." The fact that the rules say something different doesn't really bother them.


Valentin, I can say the same about your way of thinking. There are as many opinions as there are people; you think your opinion is right, and I think mine is.
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Yes, you've given me quite a puzzle :)

I don't understand. If a scroll with the same magic is found, can the hero only use it against neutral creatures, even though they could use it before?


Yes, only against neutral creatures.
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Just state it in the rules, it's not that hard...
I was recently asked about it and couldn't give a proper answer.
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Dubrovin Pavel
Yes, but only against neutral creatures.
Well, I mean, this could have been left unsaid. The exception would be if he could use it against an opponent with a scroll. But since he can't, he just uses his own magic against neutral creatures, and the scroll sits in his backpack. )
If the starting castle does not have the corresponding level of Guild Master, then it is necessary to proceed according to subparagraphs a, c of paragraph 5.2.
And in subparagraph "c" it says that specialists can use magic against neutral creatures. So, does that mean scrolls can also be used against neutral creatures?
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Well, I mean, this didn't need to be written. The exception would be if he could use it against the opponent with a scroll. But since he can't, he just uses his own spell against the neutrals, and the scroll sits in his backpack.)

And in point "b," it says that Specialists can use magic against neutrals. So, does that mean scrolls can also be used against neutrals?


In point "b," it is stated that Specialists can use their signature spell, the one they were born with as a Hero, against neutrals without restrictions. Using scrolls with spells that are not their signature spells, and that are above level 3, against neutrals or the opponent, without fulfilling certain requirements set by the rules, is PROHIBITED.
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Just state it in the rules, it's not that hard...
I was recently asked about it and couldn't give a clear answer.

I agree, Roma, since there is uncertainty in interpreting the Rules in this regard, it needs to be clarified.
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It's a bit complicated and not very logical according to the current rules – spell scrolls of levels 4 and 5 CAN be used after capturing a suitable Pandora, BUT only if the starting Castle does not have a Guild of Mages (GM) of the required level. For simplicity, I would remove the highlighted letter from the following rule:

"5.8. It is forbidden to use spell scrolls of levels 4 and 5 without building the corresponding level of the Guild of Mages (GM) in any of your Castles. If the starting Castle does not have the corresponding level of GM, then you must comply with subparagraphs a, c of paragraph 5.2."

Even better would be to not use the reference at all and write it like this:

"5.8. It is forbidden to use spell scrolls of levels 4 and 5 without building the corresponding level of the Guild of Mages (GM) in any of your Castles. If the starting Castle does not have the corresponding level of GM, then you must fully build GMs of all levels in any two Castles that you own. Or capture an opponent's Castle with the required GM already built (it doesn't matter how long the captured Castle remains under your control). It is not necessary to visit this Castle with a hero."
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It's a bit difficult and not very logical according to the current rules - scrolls of levels 4 and 5 CAN be used after capturing a suitable Pandora, BUT only if there is no Guild of Mages of the required level in the STARTING city. For simplicity, I would remove the highlighted letter from the rule below:


Not quite correct. Scrolls of levels 4 and 5 can be used after capturing a Pandora with a suitable Magic skill. Without any "buts."
In the example you provided, it turns out to be strange, as if it is impossible to use a scroll of levels 4 and 5 if a Guild of Mages of the corresponding level is built in the city.
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Is there anyone responsible for the rules who can answer controversial questions?
Judges handle resolving controversial issues in all Tournaments.
The person leading the season is traditionally responsible for the rules of online games.
I plan to finish updating the "Useful Information" topic by the end of the week (the structure of the topic has already been completely revised, about 6 templates have been added, the Balance has been completely updated, off-topic content has been removed, and differences in the rules for games on NON-SM servers have been added to the articles based on templates... The plans include another 6 articles based on templates and using useful programs), and then start discussing a new version of the Online Game Rules. (It is necessary to update "Useful Information" before discussing the Rules so that the links are correct.) There is a serious need to change many things; even the rating calculation formulas are incorrect.
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Dubrovin Pavel
Not quite right. Scrolls of levels 4 and 5 can be used after capturing Pandora with the appropriate magic. No "buts" about it.
In the example you provided, it turns out strangely, as if it is impossible to use a scroll of level 4 or 5 if a Mage Guild of the corresponding level is built in the city.


Another attempt.

"5.8. It is forbidden to use spell scrolls of magic levels 4 and 5 without building a Mage Guild (MG) of the corresponding level in any of your castles.
If there is no Mage Guild of the corresponding level in the starting castle, then you must act according to subparagraphs a and b of paragraph 5.2."

Hence, 3 conclusions:

1. It is allowed to use spell scrolls of magic levels 4 and 5 after building a Mage Guild (MG) of the corresponding level in any of your castles.
2. If there is no Mage Guild of the corresponding level in the starting castle, then you must act according to subparagraphs a and b of paragraph 5.2. /i.e., starting as the Swamp faction, you can use, for example, a City Portal scroll after opening Pandora with all the magic of the earth, regardless of whether the hero opening it has the required wisdom/
3. If there is a Mage Guild of the corresponding level in the starting castle, then paragraph 5.2 "b" does not apply to the scrolls /i.e., starting as the Castle faction, you cannot use, for example, a City Portal scroll after opening Pandora with all the magic of the earth, regardless of whether the hero opening it has the required wisdom/
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Another attempt.

"5.8. It is forbidden to use spell scrolls of levels 4 and 5 without building the corresponding level of the Mage Guild (MG) in any of your castles.
If the starting castle does not have the corresponding level of MG, then you must proceed according to subparagraphs a, c of paragraph 5.2."

Hence, 3 conclusions:

1. It is allowed to use spell scrolls of levels 4 and 5 after building the corresponding level of the Mage Guild (MG) in any of your castles.
2. If the starting castle does not have the corresponding level of MG, then you must proceed according to subparagraphs a, c of paragraph 5.2. /i.e., starting as the Swamp faction, you can use, for example, a Town Portal scroll after opening Pandora's Box with all the magic of the land, regardless of whether the hero opening it has the required wisdom/
3. If the starting castle has the corresponding level of MG, then paragraph 5.2 "c" does not apply to scrolls /i.e., starting as the Castle faction, you cannot use, for example, a Town Portal scroll after opening Pandora's Box with all the magic of the land, regardless of whether the hero opening it has the required wisdom/


You wrote everything correctly, but I cannot agree with point 3 of your post. According to the Rules, you must fulfill one of the conditions to use a Town Portal scroll (building the Guild, Pandora's Box, the Book...). There is no reason to believe that it is impossible to use a Town Portal scroll when several conditions are met simultaneously (building the Guild, Pandora's Box, taking Earth Knowledge).
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Dubrovin Pavel
...There is no reason to believe that it is impossible to use the Portal Scroll while simultaneously fulfilling several conditions (Guild Hall upgrade, Pandora, taking the Book of Knowledge).

I don't think I stated anything like that. If the corresponding Guild Hall level is built in any of the controlled castles, then the scroll can be used (see my point 1).

My point 3 describes a situation where the corresponding level Guild Hall is available in the starting castle (for example, Guild Hall 4 in the castle for the Portal), but is not built in any of the controlled castles.
In this situation, according to the rules, points 5.2 "a" and "b" do not apply, i.e., neither taking Pandora nor taking the Book of Knowledge gives the right to use the scroll.
Thus, for a player starting with a castle (and all other castles, except for the Swamp and Barbarian castles), there is only one way to use the Portal Scroll - building Guild Hall 4.
For a player starting with the Swamp (or Barbarian castle), there are 5 options:
1) building Guild Hall 4;
2) Pandora with Portal;
3) Book of Knowledge;
4) building 2 Guild Hall 3s, provided that there are no castles under control other than Swamp and Barbarian castles;
5) a Mage with Portal.
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I don't think I made such a claim. If the corresponding Guild Hall is built in any of the controlled castles, then the scroll can be used (see my point 1).

My point 3 describes a situation where the Guild Hall of the corresponding level is available in the starting castle (e.g., Guild Hall 4 in a castle for the Portal), but is not built in any of the controlled castles.
In this situation, according to the rules, points 5.2 "a" and "b" do not apply, i.e., neither taking Pandora nor taking the Book of Magic gives the right to use the scroll.
Thus, for a player starting with a castle (and all other castles, except for the Swamp and Barbarian castles), there is only one way to use the Teleportation Scroll - by building Guild Hall 4.
For a player starting with the Swamp (or Barbarian castle), there are five options:
1) building Guild Hall 4;
2) taking Pandora with Teleportation;
3) taking the Book of Earth;
4) building 2 Guild Halls 3, provided that there are no castles under control other than Swamp and Barbarian castles;
5) having a Mage with Teleportation.

I still don't understand why you insist that the Rules (about fulfilling one of the Conditions) do not apply, if, for example, there is a Castle, an unbuilt Guild Hall, a Teleportation Scroll with the Hero, and he has taken Pandora or the Book of Magic.
I clearly don't see that the Rules insist only on building the Guild Hall. I understand that one of the Conditions for using the Scroll, say Teleportation, can be fulfilled (having a Guild Hall, the Book, Pandora, a Mage). One of them.
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Pasha, don't be silly! The thing is, in the rules section concerning scrolls, there's a link to **TWO** sections of the rules that deal with magic specialists, which is where the confusion comes from.