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In the morning, there was a reasonable post from VLK777, but during the day, it disappeared.

The question is whether it makes sense to mention subparagraph "c" here. The idea is that if there is no tower building, then you need to completely build 2 of any towers. But this is subparagraph 5.2 "a". It is unclear why you can gain the right to use a scroll by taking Pandora with a completely different hero, playing as Stronghold/Swamp/Castle.
Here, I thought that the key phrase is "THERE IS NO corresponding level of GM". That is, it can be understood literally - if there is none, then there is none, whether it can be built in principle is a different question. Therefore, I edited that post myself.

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Here, Valentin and Pasha agree with me. And I also said that only magic specialists can do it. And in the case described above, they cannot. That is, as I understand it, Kirr or Tiaz cannot use the explosion scroll, for example, if they took Pandora with the entire map, but wisdom did not allow them to learn the spells. That is, if there is no wisdom in this case, then it's all over.
Pasha is our well-known interpreter of the rules :) I remember how he insisted on breaking through from several guard spawns, necessarily the closest one. Well, what if the rules say "any of your choice" - it doesn't matter, Pavel has his own opinion :D
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Pavel, you're once again beating around the bush. Tell me, why do you think the rules state "even if there is no corresponding wisdom"? Just for the sake of it? It's obvious that it can be used; this has been discussed for a long time. The problem is that if, when opening the Pandora's Box, the required magic isn't available, then a technical issue arises. As a judge, you don't have the right to prioritize your personal opinion over the current tournament rules. If you don't like the rules, change them, but for now, they are what they are.


"even if there is no corresponding wisdom" - this is in the Rules regarding the Book of Magic, not Pandora's Box.
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Here, I thought that the key phrase is "THERE IS NO corresponding GM level." That is, it can be understood literally - if there isn't one, then there isn't, and whether it can be built in principle is a different question. That's why I edited that post myself.

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Pasha is our well-known interpreter of the rules :) I remember how he insisted on breaking through from several guards of the respawn point, always the closest one. Well, even though the rules say "any one of your choice" - that doesn't matter, Pasha has his own opinion :D


Valentin, I would ask you to distinguish when I express my opinion as a Player, and when I interpret the Rules as a Judge and say how I would act as a Judge.
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Valentin, I would ask you to distinguish when I express my opinion as a Player, and when I interpret the Rules as a Judge and say how I would act as a Judge.
As a judge, you should follow the rules, and everything is written there; the problem is that, if you want, you can turn everything upside down, justifying it by saying, "I'm the judge, and I can do whatever I want." The argument about the connection between wisdom and the spellbook is very weak; spellbooks can be used without wisdom and without any restrictions, and that's already clear. I repeat, if you don't like the rules, change them; for now, they are what they are.
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As a judge, you should follow the rules, and everything is written there. However, if you want, you can turn everything upside down and justify it by saying, "I'm the judge, and my decision is final." The argument about the connection between wisdom and the spellbook is very weak. Spellbooks can be used without wisdom and without any restrictions, and that's already clear. I'll repeat it again: if you don't like the rules, change them, but for now, they are what they are.


I have expressed my opinion as one of the Judges of the Seasonal Ranking. If you don't like it, I apologize. :)
In any case, if there is a dispute between players and one of the disputing parties wants to appeal to the Arbitration Committee (AK), the dispute will be considered by the AK, not by the Judge of the Seasonal Ranking, so "my decision is final" doesn't apply to me.
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As another judge on the Seasonal Ranking, I agree with both Pasha and Valentin...
And Mizrael is also right...
But sometimes, Pandora really is empty, or was there actually magic inside?))
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I have expressed my opinion as one of the Judges of the Seasonal Ranking; if you don't like it, I apologize. :)
In any case, if there is a dispute between players, and one of the disputing parties wants to appeal to the Arbitration Committee (AC), the dispute will be considered by the AC, not by a Judge of the Seasonal Ranking, so "it's not about me." :)
Yes, we need to ask, for example, Pete what he thinks about it. And also ask other members of the AC. Although I'm too lazy to look for the links, I remember that about a year ago, this issue was raised in some thread, and it seems that no one objected to what I wrote – in the sense that it is possible to use scrolls after consuming half of the Pandora artifact due to the lack of wisdom.

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As another Judge of the Seasonal Ranking, I will say that both Pasha and Valentin are right...
Well, here's the situation: I took the Pandora artifact with base wisdom, got all the level 3 dwellings, and, of course, if there was experience for wisdom, I would have gotten them all. Then, using, for example, teleport and explosion scrolls without building Guilds of level 4 and 5, I win the game. The opponent files a complaint. Should I be credited with the teleport scrolls? I believe that, according to the current rules, no, I shouldn't. Because whether it is fair or not is one thing, but the rules are what they are....

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But sometimes, the Pandora artifact is really empty, or was there really magic in it??))
Empty Pandora artifacts do not exist on popular templates. Either there was magic that the hero cannot learn, or he already has it.
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But sometimes, Pandora's Box really is empty, or was there actually magic in it?
How can the game even ask such a question? :confused:

Regarding the scrolls and Pandora's Box, it's all nonsense. Kluka wrote everything correctly. Just delete one letter, v, and everything will be fine.
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How can the game even ask such a question? :confused:

Regarding scrolls and Pandora's Boxes, it's nonsense. Kluka wrote everything correctly. Just delete one letter, v, and everything will be fine.


Kostya, regarding the Empty Pandora's Boxes.
I suggested that they can simply be empty, and this doesn't change my conclusions regarding the interpretation of the rules concerning the use of Scrolls when opening an Empty Pandora's Box (without Wisdom).
However, I wasn't asking a question.
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Is there anyone responsible for the rules who can answer controversial questions, or does everyone interpret them as they want, using arguments like "it's nonsense" or "remove the letter 'v'"? In my opinion, points 5.2 and 5.8 need to be rewritten to make them clearer and remove any ambiguity. Without phrases like "If there is no GM in the starting Castle."
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Still, I think this way: If a hero doesn't have a sufficient level of wisdom to learn spells from the Conflux, they can still use them with the help of scrolls, but only after building the corresponding Guild. Because (let's take the library as an example, you need level 10 to get all the bonuses plus 2, otherwise it's impossible), level up your wisdom...
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Yeah, I've given you something to think about.
Dubrovin Pavel

That is, without fulfilling the conditions in the Rules, none of the Heroes can use Scrolls higher than Tier 3 Magic (exceptions - Specialists with Tier 4 Magic, if the found Scroll matches the Magic they have "by birth," and only on "neutrals").
I didn't understand, if a scroll with the same magic is found, can the specialist only use it against neutrals, even though they could before?)
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Although I'm too lazy to look for links, I remember that this question was raised in some topic about a year ago, and it seems that no one objected to what I wrote - in the sense that you can use scrolls after eating half of the Pandora's Box due to the lack of Wisdom.
But how do you know what magic was inside? Maybe there were only 1-2 tiers. Judging by the fact that they can give you an empty Pandora's Box if you have learned all the spells, it means that the original contents of the Pandora's Box are not shown... )
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If a hero does not have a sufficient level of Wisdom to learn spells from the Pandora's Box, then they can use them with the help of scrolls, but only after building the corresponding Guild. Because (let's take the principle of the library, if you have level 10, you get everything plus 2, otherwise, no way), increase your Wisdom...
I completely agree, it would be more fair. But why doesn't the Book of Magic fall under the same definition then?
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The spellbook is considered an artifact that can be used!
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But how do you know that all the magic was there? Maybe there were only 1-2 levels.
There are no Pandora boxes with magic of levels 1-2. They can contain magic of levels 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5, but only separately. Or magic of one element completely. Thus, if, for example, we take a Pandora box with Earth magic of levels 1-2 and a hero without Wisdom, then we can be 100% sure that the rest of the Earth magic was also there. Or, for example, we take an "empty" Pandora box with a hero with advanced Wisdom and who does not have all the spells of levels 1, 2, 3, or 4 in his spellbook - then it can be said with certainty that all level 5 magic was there.

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Still, I think like this:
If a hero does not have a sufficient level of Wisdom to learn spells from the Pandora box, then he can use them with the help of scrolls, but only after building the corresponding Guild. Because (let's take the library principle, there is level 10 - get everything plus 2, otherwise it's impossible), increase your Wisdom...
Pavel and Roman's thinking is at the level of "I think it should be unfair." The fact that the rules say something else doesn't particularly bother them :)
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[/U] Pavel and Roman's thinking is at the level of "I think it would be unfair." The fact that the rules say something different doesn't really bother them.
You say it's unfair))
Increase your Wisdom to the expert level, and you won't have any problems...
What you got in Pandora (i.e., what you took) is the spell you received!
And what's left, well, sorry, you missed out)):rolleyes:

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