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Will Vitaly (Gomunguls) participate in the Academy?


No.......
С истиной где-то рядом...





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Lately, I've had no desire to read or write long posts that are not about the game, but apparently, it is still necessary to respond occasionally.

Is an AC needed or not? I believe it is.
There was a vote on this topic. Players expressed their opinions. I looked at the results—roughly a third of those who voted "FOR" had approached the AC with one or another problem. We tried to help everyone. That's probably why they voted that way.
I've been on the forum for over 2 years. In that time, the number of games and players has increased TENS of times; many tournaments have appeared (2 years ago there was practically nothing besides the Player Rating, and about 50 games were played per season for the Rating). In other words, the Game is acquiring the traits of a Sport. Sport is impossible without competent officiating.
Accordingly, proportionally, the number of disputed situations has also grown. Tournament leads cannot always resolve them, whether due to insufficient qualification, too much responsibility, personal interest, etc.
numOne
the benefit brought by the AC is immeasurably small compared to the filth generated by its activity
But if it weren't for the AC, which resolved 90% of issues without discussion on the forum and found a compromise in most situations, there would be immeasurably more arguments and squabbles on the forum. We wouldn't even have time to play; we'd spend all our time voting on who is right and who is wrong.

Undoubtedly, much needs to change in how the AC operates. Its work must be made more civilized. But returning to a herd-like way of solving problems—where whoever screams loudest wins—is, in my view, wrong.
Samurai
As I understand it, the main goal of the second AC is to resolve disputed situations. For this, first and foremost, one must possess a high, above-average skill level.
For me personally, this is the most acute issue.
And it's not even so much about awarding victory/defeat; there aren't that many such disputes.
For example, very many disputes concern battles with losses that were present in the game. And then come the accusations of cheating. One has to take screenshots and convince others that there was no cheating. It's even worse when AC members ask such questions.
Personally, I find it hard to imagine how, for example, zloy romantik would resolve a dispute arising between Javdet and Pit in FB-3.
Samurai
And possess high skill not only from grinding sms, but across as many templates and versions as possible.
That is also correct. Tournament leads are working on this. On HW now, it seems there isn't a single tournament that runs only on sms. But this is not a fast process; new things aren't easily adopted. Agree that we cannot force people to PLAY or introduce something mandatory. After all, we gathered here for pleasure.
Samurai
Maybe it should be forbidden to play on VT in the season, or maybe mirror templates are used there, for example. Or does the AC have no right to review possible disputed situations regarding the season? Or is it just that everyone finds it convenient to tailor the AC toward SoD and sms, while not giving a damn about other possible cases?
Nothing is forbidden in the season. I don't have statistics by version, but many like VT and play on it.
AC members serve as judges for the season. I also judge the season as the rating lead. Players are entitled to approach any of the judges. If a player disagrees with a judge's decision, they are entitled to appeal to the AC. And it doesn't seem like anyone "tailored" the AC toward anything.
Samurai
Pit—it's high time this person privatized the section for 3s on HW.
I couldn't wrap my head around this phrase.
If it means that I pester everyone and persuade them to do something for the resource, then yes, that happened.
Last spring, we hit a sort of stagnation. After the scandal with Jed, some of our most active players (including Invis and Loi) left; effectively, the only organizer—Evgeniy—organized 3 tournaments and then disappeared from the forum due to real-life problems. Tournaments were dying; there were many newcomers, but they were too shy to take initiative.
I had an alternative—either leave HW (thankfully, I have places to go), or try to stir this swamp.
We discussed tournament rules, organized the AC upon Dirty's suggestion, and brought started tournaments to a conclusion (not very skillfully, of course, due to inexperience and limited technical capabilities—for example, I couldn't even edit the tables and rules for Best's tournament for other templates).
We managed to attract new organizers. Thanks to everyone who wasn't afraid, as each had to be convinced—Kesha, Spiritta, Sam, Kostyan, Pasha. Volodymyr ran TK3. Kostya and I gained experience by running several tournaments. Stiki kept threatening to leave but, fortunately, stayed and occasionally treats us to some exotic games.

I had plenty of time back then—I was a student. Since December, my time has been terrible.
I am amazed by the methodical-periodic questions asked by Wicc about how it is that I had time before, but not now. I'm not keeping secrets; many guys on the forum know about my real life:
December—thesis defense at the Faculty of Physics of Lomonosov Moscow State University;
January—participation in a competition for the best thesis (2nd place out of approximately 400), preparation for graduate school admission;
February—admission to graduate school;
March, April—administrative matters regarding graduate school and work, preparation and participation in a conference (my report took 1st place);
May, June—4 exams for the candidate's minimum;
July—preparation and participation in 2 conferences in Switzerland and Finland.
I returned a week ago.
My real life is very intense and interesting right now. I love my job. Almost every day I return home after 23:00; during the day, there's no time to sit on the internet.
For the forum during this time, I rewrote the rating calculation program from scratch and am leading a rating tournament. I was the captain of our team in MP. I handled all organizational issues quite promptly; our guys played almost everything (only Dima didn't finish—against Alone and Sil). And I really want to find time to deal with the "Useful Info" topic.
Since many active players appeared on the forum this year, I hoped to offload most of the work from myself. The decision to leave the AC was thoughtful and had been maturing since December. I liked AC-2 very much in the composition that was elected. BUT... That Javdet, one of the most qualified players and judges and a fair person, would remain was, to my great regret, unlikely. And Loi's departure was completely unexpected for me. I found out about it in Switzerland; I had no way to read the forum—internet is very expensive. Based on the previous vote (my apologies to the candidates), the level of the remaining players is not very high. The guys asked me to return. I agreed on the condition that I be relieved of organizational work and public appearances on the forum. Only save analysis and discussion of game rules.
Wicc
Now regarding the "against" vote. Pit is beyond competition here... he played a clever show about offended innocence, but didn't actually leave his duties; he takes an active part in AC activities, and now has decided to officially reincarnate through additional elections.
As I understand it, Wicc is making 3 claims against me:
1. played a clever show about offended innocence,
2. didn't actually leave his duties, takes an active part in AC activities,
3. decided to officially reincarnate through additional elections.

On point 3: Yes, I want to slightly raise the general level of game qualification within the AC. Why this is bad, I don't know. Samurai wrote about high skill. If elected, I will try to find time; it should be easier now. If not elected, I won't die of boredom.

On point 2: Where did this info come from? Is this your fantasy or do you have an informant in the AC? In any case, it is not true.
Here is what I did for the AC over the summer:
- conducted a vote (note that until the end of the vote, formally I was still in the AC, therefore I had every right to do so).
- and performed an analysis of Andrey-Britvochka's games, as well as posted all the info I had on this player on the AC site. Again, this discussion started before AC-2 was elected; I participated in it back in April, and when asked for my opinion, I gave it.
- I also wanted to post the info I have on saves of other players who were questioned during the year, but didn't find the time.
After Peterius hinted that my presence on the AC site was questionable, I stopped going there, and it's been over a month now.
THAT'S ALL. If this is called "active participation," then your participation in the AC's work is simply gigantic.

On point 1: I don't know how to answer, as I didn't understand what is being referred to. Like—should we throw some dirt so he can wash it off?

FOR - AYMAN, SpiriTT.
AGAINST - Vigo, vitalic.
Although for the latter two, a separate section could be organized in the AC—for fighting maphack and cloning; they have great experience here.
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Pit for LM

AGAINST - Vigo, vitalic.
Although, a separate section could be created in the AC for the last two – to combat map hacking and cloning, as they have a lot of experience in this area.

Could you, great and righteous Pit, elaborate on your sarcastic statement in more detail? I'm a bit slow and didn't quite understand what you meant by your statement.
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

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...After Peterius hinted that my presence on the AK website was questionable, I stopped going there, and that was more than a month ago...

Well, yes, that's how it was - you gave me moderator powers for the website that you created, and I showed you the door. You certainly did that, Petrukha :).
The person I would least like to debate with is you, especially since we've met in person.
I'm not vying for the throne; I'm primarily interested in playing against strong and fair opponents; "politics" is secondary.
Хаос - это порядок, которым сложнее управлять.

icq: 407907277
skype: piterius_i

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Yeah, that's how it was – you gave me moderator privileges for the site that you created, and I showed you the door. You certainly did that, Petrukha.
Peter, I apologize, it seems I misinterpreted your question about who has the right to vote and who doesn't. At the end of June, I was the only one who no longer had that right. And I didn't feel very comfortable in the AC. That's why I thought it was said about me.
Piterius
I'd rather not discuss anything with you, especially since we've met in person.
I'm not vying for the throne; I'm primarily interested in playing against strong and fair opponents; "politics" is secondary.
Same here. Sorry again, I guess I'm overly sensitive.
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Could you, great and wise Pit, break down your sarcastic remark in more detail? Because I'm too dull to understand what exactly you meant by your statement.
Please, here's the breakdown.

Sir vitalic and Sir Vigo on heroesportal.net were moderators and surely know how to identify a clone by IP.
Well, your fight against maphack, Sir Vigo, is known to all. Starting from Britvichka and ......

/topic/at/157887/
Message from Mizrael;157789
Mizrael(Dungeon, Shakti) def Vigo(red, Castle, Valeska) 2sm4d(3) 143
Vigo
There was such a game. The opponent's perceptiveness is simply astounding...

/topic/at/195730/
Message from Felix;195662
Felix (blue, Inferno, Pyra, Shakti) def Vigo (red, Rampart, Kyrie, Kyrie), 2sm4d(3) 2.2.2.Saved the game on his initiative! Lost and accused me of opening saves without any proof!!!! This person can't take a loss! People!! think before playing with him!
Vigo
The game happened. I refuse to confirm it. Deep suspicions about dishonest play arose. Based on my viewing of the saves after the game, the opponent's actions before saving, as well as when continuing the game from the save - I am almost completely sure that the save was opened. I ask the Hosts of this version of Heroes Online to intervene. I am ready to provide ICQ logs and saves from day 1 to the last day of the game.

/topic/at/208352/
SEM_56 (blue, Swamp, Tazar, Tazar) def Vigo (red, Castle, Valeska, Valeska) 2SM4d(3), 136
Vigo
.....how many times do I have to tell myself that you CAN'T play with saves ...

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Heavy Case (Red, Conflux, Brissa, Cyel) def Vigo (Blue, Rampart, Kyrre, Kyrre), 2sm4d(3), 136Crept up unnoticed to the opponent's resp. Caught Kyrre with a dozen horses and gr.elves. Opponent fled. A day later - a siege. I had advantage in meat and plenty of mana with Arrow -145. Opponent had high defense + native walls. By the end of the battle, no walls remained, nor mana on either side) From his side, 2 trees, from mine - 7 ice elements) Victory, so to speak, on the last breath) Thanks to the opponent for the game)
Vigo
It happened. Amazingly accurate and timely caught Kirusha while spreading towards the Griffin Conservatory. Unlucky. Thanks for the game.

/topic/at/160608/
Message from Mizrael;159636
Mizrael(red, Stronghold, Gurnisson) def Vitalic(Tower, Neela) 2sm4d(3) 133
vitalic
A game of mistakes, or of the opponent's special intuition...

There are more quotes, your intuition for maphack is simply astounding...
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For: Pit for LM, AYMAN, evil romantic
Against: Vigo, Captain
В дикім полі
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The by-elections will end on August 30, 2010.

The results will be announced then.
С истиной где-то рядом...





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I'll revote. For - Pit, GoD. Against - Vigo, vitalic.
Всем удачи ! И Морали !
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Excerpt from the Regulations for Elections to the Volda Arbitration Committee (AC).

1. The Arbitration Committee is elected for a term of 1 year. If a member of the AC resigns, their position is taken by the Player who, according to the results of the Voting, came in 8th, 9th, etc.
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3. Players who have been registered on Volda for at least 3 months and have completed at least one online (offline) Heroes 3 tournament on Volda are eligible to vote in the AC elections, or who have been registered for at least 3 months and have played 15 online games in Heroes 3 on Volda across all Seasons, or who have been registered for at least 3 months and have organized at least one online (offline) Heroes 3 tournament on Volda.
4. Players registered on Volda are eligible to be members of the AC.
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8. The second round of elections is held in the event of a tie in votes and the absence of vacant positions in the AC. For example, the seventh and eighth players on the list received the same number of votes, so only these players participate in the second round. In the second round, the player(s) who receive a simple majority of votes are selected for the AC.
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The results of the elections to the Volda AC are as follows.

From those who nominated themselves for the Volda AC:

Pit for LM
for: Wlk777, Javdet, Oelm, AYMAN, Dubrovin Pavel, SpiriTT, Dima Surmay, Alessandro, Pradromalo, Lider1, Aldegir, mals, Tolikandro, bRitvo4kA
against: Wicc, LeBron
Total: 12 votes.

SpiriTT
for: SEM_56, Kash, Captain, Alessandro, Gomunguls, Dekontaminator, Javdet, mals, Tolikandro,
Pit for LM
against: LeBron
Total: 9 votes.

AYMAN
for: Dubrovin Pavel, Dima Surmay, bRitvo4kA, Pit for LM
against: LeBron
Total: 3 votes.

GoD
for: Wlk777, SEM_56,
against: LeBron
Total: 1 vote.

злой романтик
for: bRitvo4kA
against: LeBron
Total: no votes.

Vigo
for: Pradromalo
against: Wlk777, Kash, LeBron, AYMAN, SpiriTT, bRitvo4kA, Pit for LM

Total: no votes.

vitalic
for: -
against: Wlk777, LeBron, SpiriTT, Pit for LM
Total: no votes
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Did not nominate themselves for the AC.

ТаКоторая
for: Wicc, KostyaN, Catch, Dekontaminator, Javdet, Hermit
against:
Total: 6 votes.

SEM_56
for: RomarioGrom, Redwhait, Gomunguls, Dekontaminator, Soroka
against:
Total: 5 votes.

Captain
for: SpiriTT, Dubrovin Pavel, Gomunguls, Dekontaminator
against: bRitvo4kA

Total: 3 votes.

Gomunguls
for: Dubrovin Pavel, Dekontaminator, Soroka, KillerVampire, Lider1, Aldegir
against: Wicc
Total: 5 votes.

rebellious
for: KostyaN, Dekontaminator
against:
Total: 2 votes.

Neoandy
for: Dubrovin Pavel, Dekontaminator
against:
Total: 2 votes.

wowa
for: Hermit, Dekontaminator
against:
Total: 2 votes.

Preds
for: Dekontaminator
against:
Total: 1 vote.
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Thus, according to the results of the voting, the following are elected to the Volda AC:
Pit for LM
SpiriTT

Taking into account that I have resigned from the Volda AC, the player elected to the vacant position as a result of the elections is
AYMAN
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That is, at the moment, the Volda AC consists of the following members:

AYMAN
Mizrael
numOne
Pit for LM
Piterius
SpiriTT
vbn
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Kash
It seems someone voted for Vik.
Don't count on it. :)

However, maybe all of this will soon become irrelevant.
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It seems someone voted for Vik.


Yura requested to be excused.
С истиной где-то рядом...





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Ah, so those who withdrew and those who didn't put forward a candidacy are different categories. :) My apologies, I didn't think about it that way.
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