Posts from Nominations and withdrawals in the Arbitration Committee.

This is precisely the main point.

The majority of complaints submitted to the Arbitration Committee (AK) come from newcomers. Because when experienced users start arguing with each other, it happens publicly, loudly, and with the participation of most of the active forum members. The judge only needs to avoid interfering with this "party" and then simply record the will of the people.

However, dealing with newcomers almost always falls to the AK because their complaints rarely gain enough resonance for broad discussion.

In my opinion, it's the opposite. If there's a conflict with newcomers, the experienced users and the entire forum will explain the "party line" to them. But when there's a conflict with experienced users, such as cheating on a computer, as recorded in a video, that's when the AK is needed.

And for the future, I would suggest that voting in the AK be done without publishing who voted for what. To avoid personal attacks.
You choose members for the AK, which means you trust them. They make a decision, which means you trust them. :)

Vic and Ketch, thanks, but I'll pass. I don't need this. Regarding the topic. I would like to see 5 people in the AK (I'll even get a little familiar, with your permission): Kostya, Mishanya, Dimych, Yura, and Vitaly. Petr is also on the reserve list. I can trust such an AK 100%. I respect that. In descending order of preference, sorry. Four of these guys have withdrawn, so Cash will apparently have to be some kind of opposition, however sad it may be. It doesn't matter who will be in the AK anymore, but the authority that existed before will probably not be there. At least for me. 2Wlk If such a poll is conducted, I think you will be the undisputed leader.

Yura, I have a completely opposite view of your position, that the Arbitration Committee (AC) should only record the opinions of the Players.
The question is, why choose an AC if you can solve the issue with the opinion of the majority of Players, without an AC?

Naturally, I also agree with Vik. IMHO, no one in their right mind would delegate the authority of the ultimate arbiter to the AC. The AC is needed to separate the wheat from the chaff. Yura wrote about "laziness," but for me, it's "just" a matter of professional competence.

He seems to have answered why the AC was chosen. Or is the question why the AC was chosen when some issues will be resolved through a general vote? Sorry, this is either self-will or the presence of ingrained complexes.

For those who are not aware, I would like to clarify that posts in this thread should be relevant to the topic reflected in the thread title. And avoid flooding, flaming, and trolling. In this thread, we are discussing withdrawals and nominations for the Arbitration Committee (AC). The issue of the AC has already been resolved through several votes. The forum's opinion is clear. I have moved the pre-election debates of some users to the "Tribune" section. Regarding the withdrawn nominations: Scorp wanted to leave the AC last August due to being busy with poker, Dima refused in December, I also wanted to leave since December because I knew I wouldn't have time, and Kostya hasn't been doing very well with Heroes after the Siberian selection. I won't be surprised if Vitaly also refuses; he doesn't appear on the forum very often. Therefore, there is no need to invent things that don't exist. Withdrawals: Dirty_Player LeBron Hermit scorp Pit for LM Wicc Kash Nominations: Piterius Dubrovin Pavel TunguS

I would also suggest that in the future, votes in the AC should be held without publishing who voted for what. To avoid personal attacks.

This has been in the AC Rules for almost a year now; some AC members just don't read the Rules.

Also, some thoughts on the work of the AC, or the judging committee: if a player N suspects player X, then to consider such a claim, player N prepares a complete analysis of player X's game based on save files, writes down what he considers controversial, what is suspicious, and what is logical. Only after that does he have the right to submit this proposal. There should not be a situation where someone says: "Hey, take a look at player X's save files; is there anything wrong there?"

This is also in the Rules.

Yura, I have a completely opposite view of your position, that the Advisory Council (AC) should only record the opinions of the Players.
The question is, why choose an AC if you can solve the issue with the majority opinion of the Players without an AC?

And I completely agree with Vik. All the problems of the previous AC stemmed from the fact that they forgot what was primary and what was secondary. The best judge is not the one who goes against the grain and sticks his nose into every issue, but the one who monitors the situation and skillfully controls it, putting a period at the right moment.

Self-nominations:
Piterius
Dubrovin Pavel
TunguS

You misunderstood me a bit. I can help with analyzing save files and replaying events, but why nominate me for the AK? I've only been on this portal for about a month, so there's no need to nominate me for the AK, at least not yet.

Definitely Wicс. I would also like to see Dirty Player there, but Kostya withdrew himself.

Kostya, Mishanya, Dimych, Yura, and Vitaly. Petr is also on the reserve list. I can trust such a team 100%. I respect them. In descending order of preference, sorry.

Thank you for your trust, but since 2010, I decided to change my priorities in life, and Heroes is now just a hobby for me. With this approach, I definitely can't analyze saves, and therefore I have nothing to do in the team. But I'm not leaving the Tournament Committee. Any organizer can count on me for drawing lots and helping with organizational matters.

So, guys, are we going to vote, or what? Or has anything changed drastically in these past two days of debate?

Yeah, it's been the same for days... going around in circles. But if you think about it, who should we vote for? I definitely support Pasha's candidacy. I don't know Piterius very well, but he's willing to take on such a thankless task, and his reputation is good. Who else is there? Tungus himself said that he's only been on the forum for a week, and I don't see any other self-nominated candidates. We're waiting for more people to step up, because we're all good at criticizing. ;)

So, guys, are we going to vote, or what? Or has something changed drastically in these two days of debate?

This topic is only for nominations and withdrawals. We will probably vote later.

Dear Pavel Dubrovin, I have a huge request!

Something strange is happening in the forums. There has always been a group of reasonable people on World, leading the forum towards prosperity. I already wrote about this in one of the topics – in the beginning, back in 2007, it was Adelaide, Tanya, Invisible, vbn, Alex R, Reper, and Evgeny. These were truly the forum leaders.
Some of them could no longer devote much time to the game, and gradually, others replaced them – Loy, Джавдет, Decontaminator, Mizrael, Nagan.
Then AK appeared, and new players grew into forum leaders.

This is a natural process; over several years, the composition of this group has completely changed, but the course has remained the same – maximum friendliness, fighting against squabbles and quarrelers, prioritizing the interests of World over personal or group interests.
Those who have been on the forum for a long time, remember how we defended against Bay's attacks, how we moved from confrontation to cooperation with Portal, how the first sprouts of a real unification of different resources emerged, and how we worked with newcomers.

We have never had such an "armageddon" as on Portal, where dozens of people left at once. Nor have we had devastating wars like on Bay (in my opinion, go there and see how many people are there now, and even those are just poker players).

I have already written about the reason – a healthy, functioning layer of true forum leaders, a naturally developed defense of World against external and internal problems. That is why the resource is growing.
Remove this defense, and forum diseases (squabbles, ultimatums, local and selfish interests, etc.) will destroy the forum in a year or two.
People will run away from here, either because of conflicts or simply because it will become uninteresting.

The overwhelming majority of players voted that AK is necessary, and that is right. But how do we identify people who truly enjoy the deserved authority in the Heroes community? The number and thickness of posts mean nothing; a person may write little but bring great benefit.

This has been proven in practice on our forum – only by a named vote of the players. Such polls have been conducted before. Three times – there was a vote to determine the team for inter-portal competitions. Once – when determining the composition of the first AK.
And again – regarding Vitalik's case.

And practically everyone who cares about World expressed their position in the vote.

It seems that the AK composition has indeed aged in a year, and fresh blood is needed. Even the most reliable fighters are retreating, thank God, not all of them. I really liked how you behaved, so I have a huge request.

1. Look at the seasonal rating, list those who have played enough on our resource; I think there are at least 50 people, maybe even more.
Add about 10 respected people from our forum who are not currently playing – Tanya, vbn, Reper, Alex R, Querty, Ketch...
You probably have their ICQ contacts.

And write the following to each: "Elections for the Appeals Committee are currently underway – in fact, the governing council of players of the "HeroesWorld" resource. I ask you to name 7 players whom you trust, who are capable of making balanced decisions on controversial situations in games."

After that, send this message via ICQ. I would have done it myself a long time ago, but I don't have ICQ, and for many new players, my name means nothing.

As practice shows, sufficient information is collected in the first couple of days. From it, the current state of affairs on the forum will immediately become clear.

1. New adequate people have probably appeared, who have already gained the respect of players. It seems awkward for a cultured player, who has been on the forum for a relatively short time, to try to become a leader when there are living veterans. However, if the poll shows great trust from the forum members in this person (say, top 5 or top 7), then you should actively invite the player to AK; he probably has new ideas, a desire to work, and fresh blood is needed on the forum.

2. The opposite situation. A respected member of AK has exhausted his resources; he has worked conscientiously on the forum, but family and work are taking over. Nothing terrible; if he lost in the vote, then he can indeed leave his position with a clear conscience and switch to a more peaceful Heroic life.

3. Another option. A person has received his share of criticism for his work in AK, in my opinion, undeservedly, and is going to step away from active Heroic life. And then, in the poll, he receives almost one hundred percent of the votes (and this will definitely be the case), say, 50 or 60 votes. Naturally, his heart will warm up from such trust, and the votes of forum members with requests to return will melt his heart.

4. Another option. Perhaps someone will think that he is the one who is needed in AK. Now, the situation is such that anyone who wants to can get in there. But this is wrong; a player who does not enjoy real authority will automatically reduce trust and respect for AK. And a person who is not in his place is scary even in virtual life; he can cause a lot of trouble. It is clear that, having received, say, 10-12 votes and 20th place, he will not make rash decisions with claims to leadership.

5. Based on the results of the general vote, the truly most respected players will become clear. Ideally, when the first seven in the vote – all agree to work. But refusals are possible; for example, Alex R could not work in the first AK. But still, at least 5 people from the top ten will agree.
It is not worth taking people from the second ten; AK is an elite council, the most respected players, they should solve the most complex issues and think about the further development of the forum.

Pavel, we have always had friendly relations; for the sake of friendship, I ask you not to refuse and send the poll to the recipients today. It will take no more than half an hour.
It would be very good if you, as a moderator, create a separate topic; perhaps people will not want to vote in ICQ and will prefer to vote directly on the forum; approximately half of the players always did this in previous polls.

With respect.

Also, a big request to the AK members not to hinder such a poll. Guys, we have worked together for a long time; this is needed now.

2Cash, Vitya, this thread is for that purpose. But the voting should start on June 1st. I have a question for the current Tournament Committee – it seems like only Dubrovin is doing all the work right now out of the 7 members. I understand that there is a lack of time and people are withdrawing, but is this for the next term? Because this term is almost over, but not quite. I think it would be fair to help Pasha finish everything.

The rules are in place; we will start the voting tomorrow.

Some kind of hysteria has begun.

Yes, if it's not a secret? Different people may have different opinions on the actions taken.

What I remember from Pavel's activities over the past month or two...:/QUOTE]

2 PReDS.
He did everything right. And no one is immune to mistakes; I also made many mistakes when working on the forum, and so did others. But if you are on the player council, ensure a smooth transition of functions to the new council members, rather than creating reasons for a crisis.

I deliberately didn't interfere in online matters, focusing on club tournaments. But I really don't want to see people in the AK (Administration Council) who will ruin the work done by previous generations of Heroes players in developing the forum. Let truly worthy people come instead.

And now, read the thread: a person is registering on the World forum, has about ten posts, and is immediately nominated for the AK. And, in theory, there are only 3 people who want to join, so should they be included? The person is not to blame; he simply wrote a post. The problem is the existing management vacuum.
And Pavel consistently fought for a place in the AK; you can't deny him that.

2 Oelm.
There is no reason for hysteria. But there is some laxity.