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Offline SEM_56
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Great idea with the main Arena Committee, but Cash doesn't have enough experience (no offense)...
Judging newcomers is one thing (and I do it all the time), but judging guys who have been fighting for a long time and skillfully is a completely different matter)).

Therefore, the head of the Arena Committee should be a person who is interested in this and constantly maintains contact with the site, and we don't have such people...
Ушел с героев, пока пряники)
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Although I'm new here, I've read through the entire forum, and I really liked the idea of your AK. It's a shame to let it go, especially when I watch your games in Might & Magic. P.S. Because I have a lot of free time at work, I can tinker with the save files. I even find it interesting.
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Dubrovin Pavel
No, Valentin, I'm in favor of the players electing the AC, not someone else.
So, who's against it? It's just that there aren't any other candidates besides you and Peterius so far. We need to create a list (the opinion of authoritative and respected players is very important here), then have people withdraw their candidacy, and then hold a vote. And the players will choose, no one is arguing about that ;)
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Kash should be in the Tournament Committee, but I'm not sure if he'll agree. He was supposed to be there last time, as I understand it. The Tournament Committee should have 1 person who can clearly articulate their thoughts, someone like Captain or Vik, so that these thoughts can then be defended, and 3 extremely meticulous and highly competent people. That's enough. I state the fact. Wicc def HW
ну это вообще всем аргамездец!© Kash
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We need to create a list.
Here's what seems like a very sensible idea to me.
ну это вообще всем аргамездец!© Kash
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Человек - игрушка Бога. Этому - то и надо следовать. Надо жить играя.
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Here's what I think is a very sensible idea.
Please announce the entire list (C) :D
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And who said he has to be an authority?
He needs to be an authority for someone. It doesn't matter if he's an authority or not; the main thing is that it works. And here, it works exactly as I wrote.
P.S. I'm curious to know who you consider an authority.
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SpiriTT

P.S. I'm curious to know, who do you consider an authority figure?
For me? Hmm... The entire AK team from the previous session... As well as all the players I had the chance to interact with and play against on equal terms. I don't have much respect for ATG, sorry for being so frank. That's how it is.
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Great idea with the main referee, but Cash doesn't have enough experience (no offense)...
Judging newcomers is one thing (and I do it all the time), but judging guys who have been fighting for a long time and are quite skilled is a completely different matter.
This is exactly the main point.

The majority of complaints that go to the referee come from newcomers. Because when experienced players start arguing with each other, it happens publicly, loudly, and with the participation of most of the active forum members. The referee only needs to not interfere with this "party" and then simply record the will of the people.

But dealing with newcomers almost always falls to the referee, because their complaints rarely get enough attention for a broad discussion.

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I think we need to decide on one of two options: either a referee or a Chief Judge.
We can put the question to a vote (if anyone wants to, please do).
It's too early to vote; the idea was only put forward today, we need to discuss it and understand its prospects.
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This is precisely the main point.

The majority of complaints submitted to the Arbitration Committee (AK) come from newcomers. Because when experienced players argue with each other, it happens publicly, loudly, and with the participation of most of the active forum members. The judge only needs to avoid interfering with this event and then simply record the will of the people.

However, dealing with newcomers almost always falls to the AK, because their complaints rarely generate enough resonance for broad discussion.


Yura, I have a completely opposite view to your position that the AK should only record the opinion of the Players.
The question is, why elect an AK if the issue can be resolved by the majority of Players without an AK?

I am not against resolving disputed games between experienced players by the opinion of the majority of Players, but then let's remove the AK altogether, rather than leaving the AK with the right to resolve only disputed games involving newcomers.
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I'm more than sure that Pavel will get many more votes than Yuri. I'll even say more – Pavel is an authority for me, and definitely not Yuri (Wicc).
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Dubrovin Pavel
Yura, I have a completely opposite view of your position, that the AC should only record the opinions of Players.
And what else is the AC for, if not to serve the interests of the Players? What's the point of it if it doesn't reflect the opinions of the Players?

Pasha, it seems you're confusing something... either in the wording or in your system of views on life (hopefully, the former).



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I'm more than sure that more people will vote for Pavel than for Yuri in case of anything. I'll even say more - Pavel is an authority for me, and definitely not Yuri (Wicc).
Well, obviously, more (at least not less :rolleyes: ), since I'm not running for the vote...
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What else is the Arbitration Committee for, if not to serve the interests of the Players? What good is it if it doesn't reflect the opinions of the Players?

Pasha, it seems you're confused about something...

Yura, it seems you're confused about something...
The players of World of Xeen authorize those players whom they trust to resolve controversial situations in the games. That's how the Arbitration Committee was created.
Or have you already managed to change the existing rules to suit your own needs?
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Or have you already managed to change the existing rules to suit your own needs?
I was just commenting on what you said. From your words, it follows that if the opinion of the Arbitration Committee contradicts the opinion of the popular assembly, then the opinion of the Arbitration Committee takes precedence because "they were authorized."

Am I right in understanding that you want to be given the title "senior operational officer Dubrovin"? :rolleyes:
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I was just commenting on what you said. From your words, it follows that if the opinion of the Arbitration Committee (AK) contradicts the opinion of the community, then the opinion of the AK is prioritized because "they were authorized."

Am I right in understanding that you want to be addressed as "Senior Operational Officer Dubrovin"? :rolleyes:

Everyone can see what I meant. The AK is not some kind of authority; if the players of Wolrd of Xeen wish to resolve controversial issues themselves, the AK will fade away. But the question of trust in the AK has already been raised, and you know the results.

I don't want any title.
I am for the equality of all members of the AK.
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