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Where did the information about the connection between Jedi and Vigo come from? This is the first time I'm reading about it.
I assume Maestro Ketch has informants in certain circles ;)
Я в мечеть не за праведным словом пришёл.
Не стремясь приобщиться к основам пришёл.
В прошлый раз утащил я молитвенный коврик,
Он истерся до дыр, - я за новым пришёл.
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A strong player won't cheat because it would ruin the satisfaction they get from playing.
I've read your posts, and everywhere it's the same nonsensical argument. Skill isn't an indicator in this case. It's like saying a rich person wouldn't steal because they already have a lot of money. :D

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Let's say a loser appears and says, "I attacked, but then my phone rang. It was noisy in the office, so I went out into the hallway. At that time, Vigo was very interested in what my situation was. Curiosity isn't a vice. He looked, deleted the saves, closed the second copy of Heroes, and when he returned, he continued playing and didn't even notice what had happened."

What should be done then? :D
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Where does the information about the connection between Jedi and Vigo come from? I'm reading this for the first time.

I already gave this information on HP. Jedi was brought to HeroesWorld by Vigo. Through his patronage, she was accepted into the Phoenix clan. And precisely because she was there, Luchik and Hacker staged terror in the discussion thread.

Oxygen, big brother is watching you :D

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Suppose now Looser appears and says: Damn, I attacked, but then my phone rang. It was noisy in the office, so I stepped into the hallway. At that time, Vigo was very interested to find out what my situation was. Curiosity isn't a vice, after all. He looked, deleted the saves, closed the second copy of Heroes, and when he returned, continued playing and didn't even see that it had happened.

What to do then? :D

Kostya, did you watch the video carefully? ;) Looser was talking on ICQ with Romantik and said there that yesterday he beat Ayman. We check the reports and see that Looser did indeed post such a victory, but Vigo did not. So... Or do you think he got that deep into character in 5 minutes? :D
Школа начального мастерства по Вторым Героям.

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I've been reading your posts for a while now, and everywhere I see this same nonsensical argument. Skill isn't an indicator in this case. It's like saying that a rich person won't steal because they already have a lot of money. :D
Skill isn't a cure-all, but there's a trend.
Comparing cheating to looking up the answer at the end of a textbook is absurd, right?
A top student became a top student because they solve problems themselves, not by cheating.
Losers cheat... but if we're talking about nonsense, there's a contradiction in the attack itself: you compared skill to wealth – that's pure nonsense; wealth is more like a tournament result.
Skill, on the other hand, is universal; it's professionalism and mastery, not just money.
And if you have a prejudice, just say it, instead of coming up with pseudo-arguments to support it, demonstrating your own lack of coherence. :(
Let's assume that Loser suddenly appears and says: "Damn, I was attacking, and then my phone rang. It was noisy in the office, so I went out into the hallway. At that time, Vigo was very curious about what I was doing. Curiosity isn't a vice. He looked, deleted the saves, closed the second copy of Heroes, and when he came back, he continued playing and didn't even notice what had happened."

What should be done then? :D
Use your head, which a person is given for this purpose, instead of just mashing the keyboard!
Honestly, it's like dealing with children.
You really need to think about what you're writing sometimes.

By the way, none of the accusers admitted that they weren't happy when they heard about Alex's cheating. I'll assume that everyone was happy – which means that further discussion is pointless. :(
"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"

(с) Roger Zelazny
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...So, what should we do then? :D
We should analyze the save files of games suspected of using map hacks, and draw conclusions based on that.

Some claim that map hack usage can't be proven 100% unless you're standing behind the player and see them entering the codes. Not provable for whom? Everyone decides for themselves with whom they will play and with whom they won't, and sometimes a simple hint from someone you trust is enough. This is not enough to make an administrative decision to disqualify someone from tournaments, and it seems that most people agreed that the basis for such a decision should be a thorough analysis of the game saves of the suspected player, with identified signs of map manipulation. Video and audio evidence are just triggers for starting such investigations, and nothing more.
Now, let's say Qwerty and Vigo come and say that during the Moscow qualifiers, they saw me opening the map in the editor during my game against SAG/Markon, but they didn't have the means to record it. What will you do then? Will you dismiss it? Will you give them the "Champion of Cheating" award?
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So, they'll take Qwerty and Vigo now and say that during the Moscow qualifier, they saw me opening the map in the editor during the game against SAG/Markon, but they didn't have any means of video recording at hand, and what will you do? Will you brush it off? Will you award them the "Champion of Champions" title?
Well, thank you very much. You won't get an answer from me:)))

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Poor Asm. He shared with everyone that he caught a cheater and even proved it, and instead of being praised, he was criticized, while the cheater was portrayed as a victim. I personally am glad that the cheater was caught. I will be glad when they catch and disqualify them all. The team is not to blame for having a cheater in its ranks, and it is natural to defend members of your team, but as they say, trust, but verify. Loser didn't have a valid argument in his defense, which means he is most likely a cheater.
There's no need to bring up the example that wanting to look at the map is a sin. Wanting doesn't mean doing; I have the right to want, and the only punishment for that is my conscience and shame for my thoughts. But this person blatantly cheated, and that doesn't make him any better, and those who are indignant are even worse. Let's say you bought cottage cheese, and while the seller was weighing it, he took a long time. You bought the cottage cheese, and it turned out to be mostly water. How do you prove it? But here, it turned out that the security guard saw on the camera how the seller was adding water, took the recording, and posted it on the internet. Who is the bad guy here: the security guard, who showed that the seller was a fraud, or the poor fraudster who was caught?

The fact that Asm is promoting VT, which has fewer opportunities for cheaters and better conditions for tournaments, is perfectly natural. The mod is free, and ordinary players only benefit from it. You have the right not to use the mod for games between yourselves, but when you see that you are playing against a cheater and you cannot prove it, it will be too late.
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So, they'll take Qwerty and Vigo now and say that during the Moscow qualifier, they saw me opening the map in the editor during the game against SAG/Markon, but they didn't have any means of video recording at hand. What will you do? Will you dismiss it? Will you award them the "Cheater of the Century" title?

2 PReDS.
But what's the point of awarding it? You made it to the finals in Michurinsk. And you didn't cheat there.
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To be honest, I had doubts about Loser's guilt, so I started a mini-investigation. Something just seemed off, so I started watching the video carefully, looking for any possible editing (theoretically, anything is possible, as Loser's opponent mentioned in this thread that he had sent a save file to Asmu). In the end, I saw a small detail that erased all my doubts: the cursor goes outside the window with the cheats - which means it wasn't added through editing, or at least not through editing by an amateur in 5-10 minutes - the time between the cheating and the accusation of using an aimbot! So, kudos to Asmu.
Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)

Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:
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About Loser. He registered for the 2nd tournament on HP, won against Dubrovin (who eventually advanced from the qualifier to the Premier League), and then disappeared. Later, he wrote that he was leaving for the whole summer and couldn't continue. He beat me twice on HP in Bespredel. There were doubts based on the replays, but without serious proof. The team tournament started. I withdrew from it. Before I withdrew, he offered to play, but insisted on SOD (in Bespredel, he insisted on it, saying that he didn't want to play in TE, as Vigo would be upset, and they work together). Conclusion: anyone who doesn't want to play TE-lite and WT and isn't a newbie is a cheater.
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Conclusion: anyone who doesn't want to play TE-lite and VT and isn't a newbie is a cheater.

Sanya, don't exaggerate!:smile48:
Scorp doesn't want to play TE, Rebellius is the same - are THEY cheaters? Based on your logic.
Minus one for you.
Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)

Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:
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You've created quite a circus here :smile18:
Can't you see that the culprits (Looser directly and Vigo indirectly) aren't even trying to dispute the further accusations? :confused:

Looser was banned on the Portal almost immediately. The reason given was that, as it turned out after comparing IP addresses, he was a duplicate of Vigoboy (me). An interesting fact: he works with Vigo and, it seems, lives near him too :smile54:

For me, the question remains unclear (was it Looser or Vigo/Vigoboy?): if Looser registered Mikogu using Vigo's email address (as seen in the recording), then either Looser didn't have his own email address :), or they are so close to Vigo that they share an email address :D, or it was Vigo/Vigoboy :smile33:

So, here's a puzzle from a children's magazine "Funny Pictures" - find the differences between Looser and Vigo :)
- they do the same job;
- they use the same computer;
- they share an email address (hopefully, they have different towels and underwear :D);
- they have the same home IP address;
- Hamachi - this was the answer from the opponent in the thread.

Oh yes - there is one difference :smile41: - they have different isq values, which means Vigo is innocent ;)
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You're wrong. Although, I guess I'll probably get banned from the portal now as a clone. I wonder whose.

Орден Феникса – харизматический :) лидер
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Yes, you can install a multiplayer version on one computer.

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Although, I guess they'll ban me on the portal now...

Qwerty, only over my dead body :D
Школа начального мастерства по Вторым Героям.

http://offtop.ru/heroes2school/
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You're being unfair. Although, I guess I'll probably get banned from the portal now as a clone. I wonder whose.

I understood the hint, and I remember that there were coincidences with your IP in Vigo's account. But with such a large number of matches (more than 50%) as with Vigoboy and Looser, you understand what that means. You can ask Catch about the details - it's his doing :D
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