Discussion about Looser. — Tournament Committee

bRitvo4kA

16 years ago

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You can play with fixes that allow both players to view the map.

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In reply to Wicc

Alessandro

16 years ago

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Wicc

At the 2-minute mark, you can pause in battle long enough to get unlimited time to study the map.

And with chess clocks, you can pause when making a move.

Here, you need to approach it from a different angle – limit the possibilities for viewing.

Could it be made so that in Wargame, the turn transition is like in SOD?
And so that with chess clocks, if an opponent pauses in battle (and their time runs out), the time goes into the negative and transitions to the next turn (turns)?

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=Logistik=

16 years ago

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PReDS

"...with mouths agape, and a spark of fierce justice in their eyes, they awaited the finale. Nothing makes us so honest as another's crime." Semyon Altov.

+ 1000000000

Весна 2014

numOne

16 years ago

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Well, the usual flood of comments. Everyone already understands that those who want to cheat will find ways, and moreover, cheaters will inevitably appear, so we need to accept that. Why keep rehashing the same thing over and over? All that's needed in these situations is a firm hand of justice that will appear and put an end to it. The case is 100%, what's there to prove?
Regarding the reaction of the masses, the case of Jed is very telling for me, where many resisted until the very end and didn't want to believe (i.e., wanted to believe in the best), even though the cheating was obvious. The culprit himself will always deny it until the very end, ALWAYS!
What I want to say is: it's time for moderators to start acting decisively in such situations - give a mark, notify the forum - that's it! And delete the unnecessary flood.
P.S. I don't understand what the Loser's team has to do with it? Only he should answer (in this case, mark his losses for the won games), there's no need to insult the others, even indirectly! Apologize!

Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.

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Catch

16 years ago

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numOne

All that's needed in such situations is an iron fist of justice that will appear and put an end to it. The case is 100%, what's there to prove?

On the forums, yesterday, Loser was banned.

In terms of the reaction of the masses, the case of Jed is very telling for me, where many stubbornly refused to believe (i.e., wanted to believe in the best) until the very end, even though the cheating was obvious. The culprit himself will always deny it until the very end, ALWAYS!

As is typical. In both cases (Jed and Loser), Vigo introduced them to the Heroes game and brought them to the Heroes forums.

Школа начального мастерства по Вторым Героям.

http://offtop.ru/heroes2school/

злой_романтик

16 years ago

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From the autumn-winter 2009-2010 ranking:
147 zloy_romantik 16 30 48
Zloy romantik is in 147th position, with 30 losses out of 48 games... he seems to be a "dumb" cheater.
:D :D :D I'm a dumb cheater!!! Should I make that my signature under my avatar?:smile12:

Дубровин Павел

16 years ago

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Kluka

The most confusing thing about this story is why someone is defending themselves when no one is accusing them of anything :confused:

Pash, Rom can be understood because he was offended by the previous posts.

Rom, you don't need to defend yourself; everyone knows you as an honest Heroes player.

С истиной где-то рядом...

Лето 2010.

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wowa

16 years ago

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Catch

Cheating is also a manifestation of a deep-seated inferiority complex. How low must one's self-respect be to admit, even before the game begins, that they are incapable of winning fairly?

The key here, in my opinion, is moral satisfaction.
Some people derive it from the mere fact of victory (presumably comforting themselves with the thought that everyone cheats, since it's possible in principle).
Others derive it from the process of achieving that victory (cheating for them is like looking up the answer to a problem immediately).

1st – average and below-average players
2nd – strong players and those aspiring to be

A strong player won't cheat precisely because it would deprive them of that satisfaction, while a cheater thrives on it, as it's reminiscent of childhood.

Regarding the topic at hand, there's no point in expressing mixed emotions:
Saying that everyone is guilty only exposes those who have been caught, while others remain seemingly innocent – this is pointless due to the reasons mentioned above.
However, there's also no need to sling mud, even at those who have strayed, especially when it involves the team.

The reality is that there are technical possibilities to increase the level of trust in opponents – and that's what should be used.
This will also leave no room for those who are wavering to even consider cheating, and even the most hardened cheaters will have something to fear.
The irony of the situation is that it was exposed by Asmodeus, but the hints of a PR campaign seem like an overreaction – he doesn't have much else to do but create videos!.......

"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"

(с) Roger Zelazny

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KobRa_RR

16 years ago

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Alessandro

Could you make it so that in the turn-based mode, the turn transition is like in SOD?
And so that with chess clocks, if an opponent gets stuck in a battle (and their time runs out), the time continues to decrease and moves on to the next turn (turns)?

There's no need to do that... I can't stand SOD for playing from home because you have to sit there like a statue and can't go anywhere, otherwise you'll miss your turn.

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Alessandro

16 years ago

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KobRa_RR

Don't do that... That's why I can't stand SoD for playing from home, because you just sit there like a statue, unable to step away, otherwise you'll miss your turn.

Artem! With the presence of chess clocks, when time is 2-3 minutes in battles it's not critical, but at 6 minutes without battles—I completely agree!

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KobRa_RR

16 years ago

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Alessandro

Artem! If you have chess clocks, and the battles last 2-3 minutes, then the time limit isn't critical, but with 6 minutes between battles, I completely agree!

Okay, but what if I need to step away for half an hour? Should I save the game?

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SpiriTT

16 years ago

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wowa

the key, in my opinion, is moral satisfaction.
Some people get it from the very fact of winning (presumably comforting themselves with the thought that everyone cheats, since it's possible in principle)...

1st - average and below-average players...

If my common sense doesn't fail me, you just called all average and below-average players cheaters?!
OMG!

ну это вообще всем аргамездец!© Kash
без авто:smile20:
Человек - игрушка Бога. Этому - то и надо следовать. Надо жить играя.
Платон.

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PReDS

16 years ago

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SpiriTT

If my reasoning is correct, did you just call all players of average skill and below cheaters?!
OMG!

Is your logic sound? The statements: "Everyone who derives moral satisfaction from the mere fact of winning is an average or below-average player" and "All average or below-average players are those who derive moral satisfaction from the mere fact of winning" mean completely different things.

In reply to numOne

Kash

16 years ago

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numOne

Well, they spammed as usual...
What I want to say: moderators should learn to act decisively in such situations - they should apply a tag, notify the forum - and that's it! And delete the unnecessary spam.

Of all the things listed, the moderator can only delete the unnecessary spam. Everything else will be done by the Arbitration Committee (AK). And they will close the topic when they reach a verdict.

Catch