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Offline Oelm
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Now imagine that we move on from Alex's case, forget about it, and move on. Life goes on, and new problems arise. Let's say the Arbitration Committee (AC) starts to act strangely towards you. You go to them for explanations, but you find a closed door, a vague protocol on the wall, and no one answers the phone. What would you do?

No, if I thought that way, I wouldn't be defending the AC. Each member of the AC is ready for dialogue, but they also expect at least some level of politeness from the player in return. Regarding Pasha and Neo, you see a contrast here, but I don't. In both cases, a person brought the discussion to the forum. And if Neo had made the decision himself, he simply wouldn't have been understood. Pasha did the same, but he passed it on to the AC. And the AC, of course, could have (and in my opinion, should have) put the decision to a vote. I don't understand why it didn't do so, but I believe that this shouldn't happen again.

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I remember something about forum members delegating some powers to the AC. I am completely against this. In its current form, I personally don't see the need for the AC.

P.P.S. 2Sem:
Imagine a situation where you have to play in a tournament against a player whom you suspect of cheating. Wouldn't you try to analyze his games with other players?
Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
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Imagine a situation where you have to play in a tournament against a Heroes player whom you, for example, suspect of cheating. Wouldn't you try to analyze his games with other players?

words of gold! :)
but there was no analysis at all :( :(
where are even attempts to find wrongdoing not in the horror stories of Micro (whose origin can no longer be reliably established, as disbelief and prejudice are obvious) but specifically in the saves of Alex's games!!!
the fact that a player is prone to cheating (if he is) should be clear from them already
I even now - after the fact - expressed readiness for such an analysis, with all comments and observations handed over to trusted hands for further conclusions

BUT: properly before passing a verdict on cheating, the TC should have bothered to look for more unambiguous evidence derived from saves, based on routes, priorities with/without scouting - plenty of material is available ;)

in other words, improve at their direct job, rather than playing believe-it-or-not with Cobra :D :D
"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"

(с) Roger Zelazny
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I'll post on behalf of Scorp ))),
the message will be "long," so be patient or skip my post.

1) to Vik only
this is not a response to your posts, but a summary of your advocacy, and what it consisted of is that the decisions of the Arbitration Committee
a) were VERY strict
b) was there anything to punish for?
option c) is dismissed regarding the non-awarding of the Champion's Mace

- A) his opinion on such penalties was due to his "alibi"!!!, how would you behave if, through your/I repeat, through your/ fault, a comrade is accused of cheating?
/the other side of this situation, I just can't wrap my head around how a Chaos player could allow such a thing to happen; I wanted to figure out who among my acquaintances could have hacked the map while I was away from the online game for 3 minutes (even though we almost stopped playing) – unfortunately, no one comes to mind/

All the examples are from different sports, which you are twisting; this can also be done with your examples, but let's apply this situation to a club tournament:
a game in two different rooms, Vik is playing, I, Scorp, am sitting next to him and watching the game, you write to the opponent, "let's take a break," he agrees – and you leave/the opponent doesn't smoke and waits/, and I suddenly become very interested in what's happening in the dark and I enter cheats; spectators who don't know either of us/player and player, so to speak/ are watching, and then you return and say it wasn't you ))
- you will most likely be believed/without a replay
- they will believe you but suggest a replay
- they won't believe you and you will receive a penalty/the weakest punishment if the player did it consciously/
- and if they don't believe you, then, as it were, disqualification from the tournament should be!!!
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B) But what about Scorp's silence??? – freedom of thought; if you want, this can also be explained in detail.

2) The lawyer's evidence base )).
It was based on the fact that this is not the right punishment, it can't be done this way, you are naive, there was no violation, who are you anyway – is this proof of innocence? Whose defense are you conducting and who exactly? Your defense goes far beyond this situation/let's say the situation is Alex's house, and you started describing how great it would be to go on a picnic outside the city, etc./

P.S. = how would you behave if, through your/I repeat, through your/ fault, a comrade is accused of cheating?
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And deleting it would only take a minute... but there's no one to do it. :)
I don't see anything controversial in this post, and I don't delete anything in the forum... Did it take you a long time to write? :)
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Kash
It would only take a minute to delete it... but there's no one to do it. :)
I don't see anything controversial in this post, and I don't delete anything in the forum... Did it take you a long time to write? :)
I wanted to post it yesterday, but I accidentally deleted it. I'm playing with Yuri right now, and I have some time during his turns, so I decided to overcome my laziness.
I hope this post won't stay in the Forum for long and will soon be moved to a more appropriate topic, and a section for discussion will be created on an external resource.
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I've been harboring this resentment for a while, but I didn't know who to turn to, and then I saw this post. So here it is!

I request that the AC urgently review my protest and, following the investigation, raise the issue of disqualifying all participants in this tournament, except for Pasha, with a ban on their appearance at the final stage of the club tournament during its duration. For the final stage of the club tournament from St. Petersburg, invite Pasha, who suffered in this so-called "qualifier," and Oelm, as a person not involved in this farce.



Yes, I lost two games there, and I didn't play the third because it didn't matter.
I liked the tournament, and I had no complaints about anyone, and I still don't.

Tell me, Brother-in-arms, did this idea come to you, or was someone pushing you?
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Лето 2010.
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scorp
let's transpose this situation to a club tournament:
the game is played in two different rooms, Vik is playing, I, Scorp, am sitting next to him and watching the game, you write to the opponent, saying, "let's take a break," he agrees – and you leave/the opponent doesn't smoke and waits/, and I suddenly become very curious about what's happening in the dark and start using cheats, spectators who don't know either of us /player and player/ are watching, and then you return and say it wasn't you)).
- they will most likely believe you/without a replay
- they will believe you but suggest a replay
- they won't believe you and you'll get a technical penalty/the weakest punishment if the player did it consciously/
- and if they don't believe you, then you should be disqualified from the tournament!!!
You're describing some kind of fantastic situation... naturally, in this case, the person who revealed the map gets penalized, and the game continues from the last save.
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:smile52::smile52::smile52:
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and what about this: /topic/at/358045/ – didn’t it gather enough attention for a scandal?
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My cat, Chubais, and I, as future representatives of the Arbitration Committee, carefully examined this appeal. Verdict: we accept the protest of JSC Alaska and issue a verdict that everything was done correctly. The appeal is rejected due to its irrelevance and the unfounded nature of the accusations. Thank you all, you are free to go. Meow-Woof:p
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For making a demonstrably unfounded public accusation of cheating, disqualify Predsa from playing in the final. And give the spot to me.
Награда: Лучшему игроку сезона Осень 2009 за замок Конфлюкс
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For making a demonstrably unfounded public accusation of cheating, disqualify Preds from playing in the final. And give the spot to me.


I agree, the AK will consider this proposal.
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Лето 2010.
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For making a demonstrably unfounded public accusation of cheating, disqualify Preds from playing in the final. And give the spot to me.

But why "demonstrably unfounded?"

Madness can strike anyone – before, they used to sort things out ;)
But here, all the facts are clear: the positions were observed, it was a friendly group, they could have shared information.

The arguments regarding Kober were similar! ;)
And here, there's even a witness :D
"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"

(с) Roger Zelazny
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Why "patently unfounded"?

Nonsense can creep into anyone's head – we used to sort it out. ;)


I recommend being more careful with your statements, as it could be considered a violation of Vol's rules regarding "direct or indirect insults."
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Dubrovin Pavel
I recommend being more careful with your statements, as they could be considered a violation of Vold's rules regarding "direct or indirect insults."

As for what's so bad here – personally, all the accusations (as well as the fact of streaming cheating) seem like utter nonsense to me.
Some people agree with me – including top players, by the way, while others don't.
Everyone is reasoning from their own perspective.
An insult, in my opinion, is something that doesn't correspond to reality, but this discrepancy hasn't been proven yet.
If you can prove that I'm wrong, I'll apologize and be the first to admit that nonsense has entered my own head, along with the head of the person entering codes in front of the entire universe – it's either one or the other. ;)
"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"

(с) Roger Zelazny
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