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Offline SergeyY
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By the way, do you want to join a party?

I do, but not today. By the way, how long have you been playing Heroes?
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Sergey and Valentin, please don’t confuse the beginners’ tournament with a regular tournament. In a regular tournament, discipline does play an important role (discipline, by the way, also includes submitting a well-reasoned protest), but in such a tournament, let people learn and do as an experienced organizer suggests. Starting arguments in a beginners’ tournament is the same as being in the 1st grade and shouting that the teacher is an idiot. P.S.: I’m not even mentioning the fact that the organizer chooses the rules of the tournament, and by submitting an application to the tournament, the player agrees to play according to these rules!
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Sergey and Valentin, please don't confuse a beginner tournament with a regular one. In a regular tournament, discipline really plays an important role (and discipline also includes knowing how to properly file a protest), but in a beginner tournament, people should learn to play and do as the experienced organizer says. Starting arguments in a beginner tournament is like being in the 1st grade and shouting that the teacher is an idiot.

P.S.: I'm not even talking about the fact that the organizer chooses the rules of the tournament, and by applying to the tournament, the player agrees to play according to these rules!
Heh, Konstantin, in my opinion, you are wrong at least twice here. A beginner tournament is just as "normal" as any other. We're not all that old, and there are many good players among the beginners. Secondly, we live in Russia, and no one reads any rules before joining, we rely on the honesty and reasonableness of tournament organizers and other people who offer us something to sign. And I think the ones to blame are not those who agree and sign, but those who create the wrong conditions. IMO.
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He who does nothing, makes no mistakes! There's a fable about an elephant who painted a picture! You can't please everyone! I fully support Viktor in his difficult task! Please, gentlemen, spare our moderators' nerves!
Каждое поражение-навоз успеха!Герои как жизнь: непредсказуемы как городская маршрутка ,капризны как наши женщины,увлекательны как рыбалка в период нереста ,коварны и отвратительны если мышкой движет слюнявый читер! всё в них есть и это.......

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He who does nothing makes no mistakes.
Absolutely true. But one should learn from mistakes and strive not to repeat them in the future. I think Viktor will understand his mistakes and won't repeat them in the future. Despite all my sincere respect for him ;)
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Initially, the "Novice" tournament was conceived specifically so that newcomers could familiarize themselves with the rules and learn how to write proper headers. As for the tournament itself, it's a normal one, with a medal and honor, as it should be. However, the rules haven't been canceled, and who would say that the rules aren't being read (remember the Besta final...)?
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Initially, the "Novice" tournament was conceived precisely so that newcomers could familiarize themselves with the rules and learn how to write proper headers. The tournament itself is fine, with a medal and honor, as it should be. However, the rules haven't been canceled, and who would say that the rules aren't being read (remember the Best final...)?
Dirty Player -1 (for balance) :D. SpiritT - and in Best, I didn't read the rules for a long time. When I read them, I realized that they are adequate and fair. Unfortunately, I can't say the same about the rules of the Novice tournament.
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If everything is as described in Sergey's logs, then he deserves the right to play in the playoffs. And whether he's a newcomer or a veteran, what difference does it make? Whether he played all the matches or not, what difference does it make? A tech win is still a win, even if it's not as prestigious as the reports accepted here (and not just here) for scores of 111-113. Why should he suffer because of the disregard for his promises and for Sergey by his opponents? Why should he beg irresponsible people to play with him and chase after them? I repeat, I'm drawing a preliminary conclusion based on the logs and SergeyY's rhetoric.
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So, either I'm completely stupid, or someone please explain this to me: a person came to the tournament, won one game, and in the others, their opponents, for one reason or another, withdrew and didn't play... And what, should this person be removed from the tournament? My rating of the organization is -2. All those who sympathize with this OUTRAGE probably just didn't understand what was going on. IMHO.
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...Secondly, we live in Russia, and no one reads any rules before joining...
So, it's not about whether it takes a long or short time, but according to your own words, no one reads them, and then you write, "when I read the rules, it was..."
Regarding the rules, if you don't like them, don't play in the tournament, and that's it. Don't annoy anyone, don't portray yourself as a victim, and don't try to achieve something "in all other ways." For example, Andrey-Britvochka wasn't happy with the rules/judging in a tournament, so he withdrew. Of course, there will be some talk, but no one tried to escalate things further.
Everyone is good at talking, but how about helping to organize the normal functioning of the forum, tournaments, and other things? Is that more difficult, or what?
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It seems like the point isn't whether it takes a long or short time, but rather, based on your own words, that no one reads anything, and yet you write, "when I read the rules of the best..."
Regarding the rules: if you don't like them, don't play in the tournament, that's all. Don't bother anyone, don't portray yourself as a victim, and don't try to achieve something through "all other means." For example, Andrey-Britvochka wasn't happy with the rules/judging in the tournament, so he withdrew. Of course, there will be some talk, but no one will escalate things further.
Everyone is good at talking, but how about helping to organize a normal life for the forum, tournaments, and other things? Is that more difficult, or what?
What are you trying to prove? That Cash didn't mess up with his STUPID system for assigning scores? That's pointless; he'll realize it soon enough because he's not stupid. The first attempt was a failure; people came to play, and we screwed them over and still put on a show of being smart. Shame on us :(
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I was signed up for the tournament on December 8th. By that time, most of my opponents had already played almost all their games, meaning they got off to a quick start. On December 11th, I started asking everyone who could play to get in touch. I think I have enough time – I should be able to play all my games in the next three weeks. Then, on December 12th and 16th, there's a continuation of a postponed match – my first game against Rimpel. Maybe I could have found time for other games as well, playing them in parallel. But I didn't know that my opponents would start disappearing. There's still half a month left. On December 15th, I arranged to play my second game with Caliostro on December 22nd, and on December 18th, I arranged to play with Marazhan three days later, on December 21st. I'm not scheduling the third game yet – I need to play these two first. On December 21st, I played against Marazhan, but we didn't finish. Then, he lost connection and couldn't play until mid-January (and the tournament was supposed to end on December 31st). Caliostro was also absent for two weeks, starting on December 15th. Quell also disappeared around December 21st. I won't keep writing and checking a hundred times – I'll check on ICQ, see that the opponent is offline, send a message, and wait for someone to reply. And I see that they are offline every day. It's all very simple. I just couldn't manage it during the pre-New Year period. That's my small fault. :) Since I couldn't play any of the three games, and I needed 2 points to advance to the playoffs, I couldn't advance under any circumstances, regardless of how I played the first game. By the way, I lost that game due to a single accidental mouse click (I activated Death Wave during a battle). Next time, I'll try to play all my tournament games within two weeks before the end of the group stage, just in case my opponents disappear for half a month.
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What are you trying to prove? That Cash didn't mess up with his ABSURD system for assigning scores? It's pointless, he'll realize it soon because he's not stupid. The first attempt was a failure; people came to play, and we screwed them over and still put on a show of being smart. Shame and disrespect :(
Is this the tone we're going to use? Okay.
I'm not trying to do anything – it's not my business, nor is it the business of many others. There's an organizer, there's a player, and there's the admin – if it were really necessary, a solution would be found.
But you should stick to the topic. You clearly stated that people in Russia don't read the rules, and in the next post, you write that when you read the rules, it was... So, do they read them or not? Don't answer for others; just answer for yourself.
You haven't answered any of my questions – please answer them.
One more time: if you don't like the rules, don't sign up, don't play, don't post, etc. If you've signed up, you've taken responsibility; don't wave your hands around after the fight and pretend to be innocent.
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Does it even matter if they read them or not? Even if they do, not everyone understands what problems might arise from a particular rule! The organizers should think about these problems, not the people who just want to play. Personally, I didn't read the rules, and I wouldn't have cared even if both players had given me zero points. You can see that I didn't have any objections to that, and I read what happened and how both players gave me zero points in the situation with Enik. Well, if the rules are like that, then that's how it is. No one argues after the fight. Calioastre pointed out why I didn't play the game, so I decided to explain. At the same time, I also wanted to give some advice on how it could be better. And that's it, it all started...
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Does it really matter if they read the rules or not? Even if they do, not everyone understands what problems might arise from a particular rule! The organizer should think about these problems, not the people who just want to play.

Personally, I didn't read the rules, and I didn't care that both scores were zero. You can see that I didn't have any objections to that, and I read what happened and how both scores were zero in the situation with Enik. Well, if the rules are like that, then that's how it is.

No one complains after the fight. Calioстр pointed out to me why I didn't play the game, so I decided to explain. At the same time, I also decided to give some advice on how it could be better. And that's it, it all started...
But there is a big difference!!! Vitya, Petya, Roma, and Artem aren't making these rules for themselves. In this tournament, the participants were specifically chosen to instill discipline. And you decided to start giving advice? Isn't that a bit too presumptuous of you? Then read the previous "Newcomer" thread.
They don't read the rules, and then they start complaining and wasting everyone's time... It's just unbelievable.
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