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I think regularity is the first thing, i.e., not a one-time event, but something like a regular championship, like in soccer - rounds, uhhh... then I lose my train of thought :D

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VanA tough guy - decipher it :D :D :D/QUOTE]

I have a quirk:D : my eyes turn bloodshot when mods (or anyone, really) start throwing their weight around:smile13:

calm down, calm down, the Tribune has already been defended, everything is fine, slowly but surely we are moving towards democracy :D :D :D

Write to PIT.

Pit for LM?

Pit for LM ?

ес оф кос ;)

I think we can cooperate with Loi and RedWihte and continue with the Regular tournament.
But I also like the cup system.
On the other hand, Balance-2009 shows that it's difficult to play best-of-two: the participants get tired of the template. :)

And Pit was planning to organize a Grand Cup in the spring.

Why are you deviating from the topic? We're not talking about that right now. Restarts were invented for such cases, and this is a GAME. We are discussing possible actions by players that could knock any world champion out of the tournament according to these rules.

Who's deviating? Are you protesting against unfairness?
I'm asking to understand (without trolling, etc.) what you mean by that word. The point is: to make sure everything is fair (from now on)? Did I understand correctly? And the chocolate thing is just an example...
If so, see the question above...

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I think we'll team up with Loi and RedWihte and continue the Regular tournament.
But I like the cup system, on the one hand.
And on the other hand, Balance-2009 shows that it's difficult to play up to 2 wins: the participants get tired of the template. :)

And Pit was planning to hold a Grand Cup in the spring.

And also with Lider1. And create 8mm6(a). On Lite, of course).
But now is not the right time - the Best selection is starting. Wait until at least 2010 is over.

We want Full Double Elimination!

Psyche_7

The in-game situation may not be considered unfair. No one would say that in football, one team unfairly won against another because the wind was strong and helped the ball fly in one direction while hindering it in the other. I'm not talking about in-game situations, but about human unfairness, not related to the game itself. A person has the right to decide that they can forfeit a game, i.e., give 1 point in the standings to their opponent. HOW? But that's THEIR PERSONAL matter. They can do it after a week of playing, or on the first day of the 111th game, or even without generating a map. If this is somehow restricted, it could lead to chaos.

Sergei,
1) regarding your 6 examples, I’ll answer like this:
a win is definitely counted if there is a report
I know of cases where opponents didn’t play, but simply wrote a report, including in my tournaments. I counted such reports because formally I have no right not to count them.
Would that option work? I see no point in discussing it; it’s a waste of time and energy.
2) as much as I wouldn’t want to dig through old logs and posts, I’ll have to do it to prove I’m right. If you don’t mind (though honestly, I don’t care :)) — then I’ll do it not today, but next week. I give you my word. First, my computer is barely working, making all of this problematic; when I get back from the village, I’ll reinstall Windows — that should help. Second, I don’t want to spend my free time on that now; I’d rather play instead of writing.

By the way, yesterday and today I didn’t write a report again for the same reason.
I was given Conflux, which in itself is already pleasant. Then I got caught in a crack with three Angels, with which I beat down the entire invading army and buried the main hero :D I’d really like to write a report — but it’s a shame to waste time on details and reviewing saves, and writing just one line isn’t worth it. Well, maybe I’ll write it at night after all))

3) any tournament is organized by copy-paste method :)
Please, put yourself in my shoes; I don’t mind. I’ll sign up myself.

P.S. Clean up your profanity behind you, that’s my advice to you

Psyche_7

The in-game situation may not be considered unfair. No one would say that one football team unfairly won against another because the wind was blowing strongly in one direction, helping the ball fly in one direction and hindering it in the other. I'm not talking about in-game situations, but about human unfairness, not related to the game itself. A person has the right to decide that they can concede a match, i.e., give 1 point in the standings to their opponent. HOW? But that's THEIR PERSONAL business. They can do it after a week of playing, or on the first day, or even without generating a map. If this is somehow restricted, it could lead to chaos.

So, he gave it away, and what? But he didn't set up the game. No one forces or restricts anyone.
With the same logic, he might want to take a point back...
So, what is fairness?

Indeed, Cash, any decent player, if unable to play due to their own fault, should concede the victory to their opponent. Why force them to write false reports in such a case (and you leave no other alternative) – please explain. To clarify, I'm not talking about cases where both opponents can't coordinate their time; there's nothing wrong with giving both a zero score in that situation.

You're forgetting one thing: To earn points, you need to win. Do you think it's fair to let a participant advance to the next round if they haven't even played a single online game, let alone in a tournament or in their life? I can't understand, no matter how hard I try, why they should be given points. Is it for discipline or something?

Which of your claims do you want to prove with logs? Here are two quotes from our Tournaments forum. Message dated 27.12.2009, 17:23.

We and SergeyY can't seem to finish save 115; I can't connect.

A more detailed story from our ICQ chat, my conversation with him when I spent half a day trying to connect, and then a few more days, wasting so much time. I have the logs. I played with others, and I just couldn't connect with him, and he wrote that he couldn't connect with anyone at all; he only figured it out with his computer after the New Year. Message dated 28.12.2009, 20:48.

I agree to a technical defeat =)

Kaliostr, knowing perfectly well that according to your rules, you won't award a technical defeat, since you don't award them to anyone, "agreed" to a technical defeat, but I respect him for at least acknowledging that his complete absence for half a month is a very serious argument. So, you don't need to prove anything to me with logs; I would have forgotten about this situation long ago if Kaliostr hadn't just pointed out to me, "why didn't I play my matches?" I had to explain why. Now, we're talking about your direct statement that you won't award a defeat, even if the opponent forfeits the match.

I am aware of cases where opponents didn't play but simply submitted a report, including in my tournaments. I accepted such reports because I formally have no right to reject them. Would this option work?

So, if a player decides not to play for some reason and forfeits the match, then he either has to generate a match "for a report to you" in a minute or simply make up this report, because if he just says that he forfeits, you won't accept that victory? That's strange. It turns out that there is NO difference, and the situation forces people to LIE so that everything is fair and they get the points.

for such cases, a tournament AK is needed; after all, a judge might get carried away.

What specific point are you trying to prove with the logs?

There's only one truth – it either exists or it doesn't. :)
I won't argue right now; I really don't have the time.
On Monday or Tuesday, I'll dig around and write a detailed post in a "cache-style" format. A tale of how Sergey completely missed the playoffs.

Would you like to play a game, by the way?
I'd like to get a rough idea of your skill level, as I have no clue. I'm a noob, just so you know.

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For such cases, a tournament admin is needed; after all, a judge might get careless.

Maybe, but he didn't get careless. Clean up after yourself, I'm telling you, or Pete will get careless, deduct a couple of points, and be right.

A tale of how Sergey completely missed the playoffs.

A story of 3 matches. (NORTON in ICQ, also me, SergeyY)


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NORTON (23-Dec-09 11:05 PM):
When can we play?

Quell (30-Dec-09 2:51 PM):
hello. we need to play today

NORTON (30-Dec-09 7:53 PM):
can you play on December 31st? I personally can't

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Kaliostr (15-Dec-09 7:08 PM):
let's try the 22nd and 23rd after 7 PM Moscow time

Kaliostr (15-Dec-09 7:09 PM):
will that work?

NORTON (15-Dec-09 7:10 PM):
okay

NORTON (18-Dec-09 11:30 PM):
are we playing tomorrow?

(no response. 22nd and 23rd are silent, no one is there)

NORTON (27-Dec-09 6:17 PM):
are we playing today?

Kaliostr (27-Dec-09 7:54 PM):
Hi!

NORTON (27-Dec-09 7:54 PM):
hi

NORTON (27-Dec-09 7:54 PM):
where have you been?

Kaliostr (27-Dec-09 7:55 PM):
my processor and power supply burned out, that's why I disappeared

NORTON (27-Dec-09 7:56 PM):
I'm playing with marajan, something went wrong, we started a match, postponed it, and then he had connection problems for a whole week, we couldn't finish the game!

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Kaliostr (27-Dec-09 8:02 PM):
how are things with you on December 30th?

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marajan (23-Dec-09 4:54 PM):
maybe he'll connect tomorrow

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marajan (23-Dec-09 5:08 PM):
I don't want to get stressed out anymore

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marajan (24-Dec-09 8:05 PM):
I'm going to reinstall the system

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NORTON (27-Dec-09 6:50 PM):
how are things going?

marajan (28-Dec-09 5:44 AM):
things aren't going well

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I already know what your tale will be about. About how I, being so bad, didn't play with Kalistr before December 15th (I should have known he would disappear for two weeks), with Quell before December 20th, and why I didn't play with marajan around the 15th, when he still had a connection.

But the question is - who is your tale for? For me? I don't need it, I don't care about this tournament anymore, given these rules, and I got three zeros. Maybe I'm also partly to blame for not being able to play on the 30th and 31st, the reasons are objective.

I was already thinking of dropping this topic, and decided to discuss another abstract thing - why you don't award 1 point when the opponent CLEARLY surrenders or refuses to play. Therefore, your tale about me is no longer relevant.

You're forgetting one thing:
To earn points, you need to win.
Do you think it's fair to let a participant advance to the next round if they haven't played a single online game, let alone in a tournament?
I don't understand why they should be given points.
Is it for discipline?

Let me explain. It's because in this match, his opponent SURRENDERED (it doesn't matter when it happened – before or during the game). And if in a tournament, I'm playing as blue and my opponent on turn 111 concedes and has no restarts, what's my merit in that (even if it's the first time I've played Heroes 3)? – because you would consider such a victory fair and deserved. So, that's it.