Our New Era — Philosophy

WhiteLizard

16 years ago

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A copy-paste from Amki's LiveJournal

alex_mashin: We live in a unique era when most social media users are still alive. This won't last forever: a day will come when LiveJournal will resemble a cemetery, and it will need to be renamed "Dead Journal."

By the way, yes, I had similar ideas, especially after seeing the profiles of deceased people... And, by the way, I heard from a friend that on some Lineage 2 server, a player was hit by a car, and a monument to his character was placed in the game... so what will happen next – will everyone get a monument?
And in general, yes, we live in a unique era; humanity has never had such broad access to information exchange. And we are opening up to a field of diverse "parallel" worlds/images, and it turns out that a person can live two lives. No one knows yet what this will lead to; our blessed history has never seen anything like this before, and that is why we, you and I, are pioneers.
Right now, this information field is only just forming and emerging. And therefore, lacking experience, we must move forward, make mistakes, and learn from them...
This is what makes this era unique.
Does anyone want to talk about this? :)

Небо

16 years ago

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As I understand it, this topic is intended for discussing what we, as pioneers, can do to improve this new, previously unknown world? Or, in general, everything related to virtual worlds, their possibilities, and dangers...

Werevolka

16 years ago

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Well, it's certainly sad that people die, but they die everywhere – even in real life. This doesn't create any vacancies (unless a very important, talented person dies, who is difficult to replace). Therefore, new, emerging individuals will take their place. That's life...

And in general, the internet is, to some extent, an escape from reality. But it's better than drinking and smoking, or doing drugs.

WhiteLizard

16 years ago

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Or, in general, everything related to virtual worlds, their possibilities, and dangers...

I think so, in general, regarding the issues of virtual reality.

Well, it's sad, of course, that people die, but they die everywhere – even in reality. This doesn't create any voids (unless a very significant, talented person dies, who is difficult to replace). Therefore, new, younger people will come to replace those who leave. That's life...

Of course, this is natural, although it can be daunting for our young minds... We will all die someday, and therefore we must appreciate the moment we are living in now. Look around, the world is beautiful!
However, in the internet, the memory of us may be preserved, and sooner or later, in the same VKontakte, a cemetery of dead profiles will grow... People leave, but their images will remain here forever. Perhaps one day their descendants will look at their old pages, see all these videos like "A horse eats underwear, epic laughter, lol!!!!!!1" and the letter Ы. What will they think of their grandfathers then? :)

And in general, I even feel some nostalgia when I read old posts...

Werevolka

16 years ago

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Perhaps, all of this will seem silly and naive to our children, just as the hobbies of our parents, or even our grandparents, seem naive to us now. Therefore, we should certainly appreciate what we have now, and not think about what impression our culture will make on future generations.

Amko

16 years ago

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In my opinion, it’s easier to view the “virtual world” simply as a means of communication and information gathering. This helps me avoid reaching the extreme stage of being a hardcore gamer.

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Wistrit

16 years ago

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You could even right now read old forum threads, see those people who left HeroesWorld for some reason and are unlikely to ever return, unlikely to be seen again. Also a kind of "dead" "profiles".
We, I think, are far from being pioneers, and not even the second wave; we got the internet full of pron sites, scum, pervasive Lurkmore, and other... crap) What is there to do?) And why is there no such question regarding real life? "If you want to be a pilot, be one"(c) and all that follows from it. I think it's also clear what this leads to — MMO addiction with fatal outcomes, lulz from disasters, selling your soul at auctions..) That's if we take examples that are not the most positive :smile43:
In general, wherever you give a weapon to an idiot, the effect is the same, just the playgrounds differ.

In my opinion, it's simpler to view the "virtual world" merely as a means of communication and obtaining information. This saves me from an extreme stage of addiction.

By writing a post on the forum, you are already in that extreme stage) since this is not just "communication" and "obtaining information" here.

Siverfale

16 years ago

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Well, personally, I consider myself to be part of the latter half of the second wave. Never mind, that's not what we're talking about.
A new era? Who knows? If you think about it, those same stagecoaches could theoretically have been improved indefinitely. But the automobile was invented, and they were forgotten. Who could have foreseen such a turn of events back then? Well, maybe fantasists and dreamers, but even they probably wouldn't have imagined it exactly like this. The internet has made a fantastic leap, absorbing tens of thousands of people. Perhaps this will continue to develop. Perhaps everything will remain as it is now. Perhaps something fundamentally new will be invented. Or perhaps it will simply be forgotten, like an old and outdated toy, and people will only draw information from it. I can't say. For now, it's hard to imagine the internet as such a monumental part of our lives that a person would spend, say, 25 years of conscious life in it. And it sounds daunting and unfamiliar.
Let's see how things turn out.

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Wistrit

16 years ago

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Well, personally, I consider myself to be part of the end of the second wave.

The question of when the second wave ended and the third (or perhaps even the fourth) began is quite debatable. If the first wave was around 1980, then the internet at that time was probably very rudimentary. By 1985, it had become slightly less so. In the 1990s, a significant number of people interested in the internet were able to access it. By 1999-2000, the internet became almost universally accessible, but a stable connection was still an issue. In 2002, the internet was opened to everyone, and by 2005, it was completely accessible to all. Social networks like Odnoklassniki and VKontakte were just around the corner, and by 2008, the internet had become what it is today. This is just my opinion, of course (based on what I know)... and each of these dates could almost be considered a new wave.

Overall, I prefer the prospect of cyberpunk slums to the prospect of surviving a nuclear catastrophe in Vault 13.

Siverfale

16 years ago

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Whoa, that's quite a generalization...

2002: the internet was open to everyone; 2005: the internet was absolutely open to everyone.

No offense, but Moscow and St. Petersburg aren't "everyone." In 2002, the best you could get was a sloooow modem. In 2005, some lucky people had a "dedicated line," as it was called back then. But even that came with a thousand limitations – the only unlimited plan was extremely expensive. In 2007, a cheap, but again sloooow, unlimited plan appeared. And only in early 2008 did a reasonably fast (though not entirely stable) unlimited plan become available. And that's in Yekaterinburg, one of the largest cities in Russia. Imagine what it was like (and some say still is) in smaller cities?

WhiteLizard

16 years ago

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I think we're far from being pioneers anymore, and not even the second wave; we inherited an internet full of trash sites, goons, ubiquitous Lurkmore, and other... crap) What can you do here?) And why isn't there such a question regarding real life?

Perhaps I'm not keeping track of which wave it is now; the division is conventional and no one keeps an exact chronology... except for Lurk, perhaps. The point is simply that since we are creating a parallel ~~space~~ world for communication, it will also have its own events (even ~~special Olympics!~~ wars!), history... in general, everything is built similarly to reality, albeit almost exactly the opposite %)
By the way, now that we've started talking about history, there has been an unprecedented acceleration in development rates; for example, the size of already the fattest social network—VKontakte—has grown twofold over the last year, up to 50kk profiles; in my opinion, there aren't that many fake profiles ~5%. The importance of the internet has also grown significantly for young people... everyone is used to meeting others there now, I hear conversations about it too often... guys talking about games, girls about dating, etc. -_-
And who knows how things will go from here... but all of this makes me feel kind of creeped out))

For many, the internet has managed to become a home :madness:, or at least they consider it cozy....

Вегтам

16 years ago

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Saw post #11, couldn't resist.

I only got internet at home in early 2007. 250 MB per month (: Now it's not much better. Not long ago, they laid a fiber optic internet cable under the Sea of Okhotsk, all that's left is to wait for it to be extended through 300 kilometers of hills...

WhiteLizard

16 years ago

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Imagine what it was like (and they say it still is) in smaller towns? (:

The same situation in Omsk, but with a slight delay. I myself was only able to connect to a dedicated line :3 in the fall of 2008, 256 kb/s, and this year they increased it to 2 megabits... the integration of the internet is slowly but surely progressing across the country)
In this regard, only remote areas of Eastern Siberia and the Far East are lagging behind... but access is still available

Added 1 minute ago
By the way, Dmitry Medvedev said that he would develop internet access in these areas.

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Wistrit

16 years ago

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Well, almost. Just a couple of years off. :smile36:
In 2002, we were using terrible dial-up connections, but we still managed to get online, and we weren't the only ones. So...
Maybe things weren't so great in 2005, but it wasn't a complete disaster either; the connection wasn't that bad anymore.
Oh well... I'm just saying what I see.

The internet is becoming popular, and it's being shaped by those who benefit from it. They say that when they invent the "flying car," the city will be divided into two parts: the upper and the lower. I think that something similar will happen soon, dividing things into "real" and "virtual." It exists now, but it's not total.
Just as a guy today would be embarrassed to tell a girl that he doesn't have a mobile phone, in the future, no such guy will risk mentioning that he doesn't have a page on VKontakte or, God forbid, doesn't have his own field in Happy Farm.
Popularization – soon we will be swimming in the internet just as we do outside of it.

Amko

16 years ago

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Firstly, our country is somewhat behind the US by about 10 years, so your division is very conditional. Secondly, besides the internet itself, there was also FidoNet, which many people seem to be unaware of. In reality, it still exists.

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