Posts from Dwarf vs. Wingayel (Lands of Outcasts)

Well, today I played against the AI on Veteran difficulty for testing purposes – I chose Haggle.
I encountered the AI on the third week of the second month; it was scouting around on the first week, but I already had 60 Centaurs, so it couldn't do much.
During the encounter with the AI, I had already captured Utopia (at the beginning of the second month – I lost 10 Centaurs and 3 Warmongers, and I used Cyclops as tanks :smile52:).
Playing against the AI isn't very interesting, but here's the situation:
I have: three free Cyclops (eight in the castle), 227 combat Centaurs, 380 Goblins, 12 Shamans, 139 Warmongers, 42 Chieftains.
Wingael has: 66 Forest Archers, 27 Druids, 12 Wild Ents, 58 Golems, 28 Light Unicorns, 83 Wind Dancers, 6 Dragons.
My stats: 12 Attack, 9 Defense. Wingael's stats: 3 Attack, 9 Defense. He is level 15, and I am level 19. Losses: all Shamans, 4 Warmongers, and 20 Centaurs :smile52:). It's not interesting to play further, as everything is clear.
Among the artifacts, only the Amulet of Mastery is worth mentioning; the rest are useless.

I respect the Orc faction; I personally enjoy playing as them, but right now, we're not talking about them!

The point is that many consider Wingael to be a cheater (in the sense of being unbeatable), and he truly is strong due to his innate ability!
I decided to experiment and prove that on long maps, a Gnome can defeat him, so I arranged a match with a friend and had this battle (you can download the recording of the endgame). Read my first message, and you'll see the conditions of our game!

As for the Orcs, I'm not yet sure if they can defeat Wingael. I've fought this way 12 times, and I've only won three times, and I think that's more of a coincidence than a pattern!

You need to play against a human, and they should play just as well as you! My advice to you is, don't say that you're doing these experiments with a computer; you'll be ridiculed! No offense, it's just too easy with a computer!

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You might as well play as Grok!

And we're waiting not 3, but 4 months, because that's the agreement we have (read carefully)!

Look, I'm just saying that even with an incomplete army, the Orcs' losses are minimal... Yes, it's the computer, and it's not very well developed, but starting in the south is easier, in my opinion. For the Orcs, and for the Gnomes, starting in the north is easier.
The Orcs practically get a level 3 unit on the first or second day, and if they're lucky, they capture the Mercury Mine on the third day.
A pretty good artifact and a stone for learning a level 3 spell are usually located a little higher up... Plus, another three thousand free experience points... :smile07: How did you lose nine times (if you played on this map, I can't even imagine).

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For the Gnomes, if they're lucky, they can capture crystals in the north during the first week, which means they can have Trolls by the second week.
I play against the computer with the Humans, usually on the disputed island... I rarely play on small maps because the choice of hero and luck (what creatures are found in the mines) greatly influence the outcome.

I can play with any Elf hero, and not just Elves. And of course, I read your descriptions carefully, and I still can't figure out how Wingael, as a Logistics hero (and you claim he's level 4), reached only level 25 after 3 months of the game? ;)

In many games on this map, only once did one of us reach level 26! On average, the endgame takes place at levels 23-25!

I think the reason is that: (I'll repeat myself), but we each play only on our own "floor" (I'm in the Dungeon, and he's on the surface) and we don't visit each other until the endgame. As a result, each of us only conquers their own territory, including the computer-controlled factions, while you, playing against three computer-controlled factions, destroy everyone. That's why you have such a high level! It all makes sense!
Or is the reason that you play much better than me and my friend?

Now I understand where you're playing. It seems to be more difficult there than on the South or North surfaces. Not only that, but you constantly encounter either Mages, Druids, or Vampires... I don't know why, maybe it's a bug. Or perhaps it's designed that way, so that players using the Dungeon faction will play as Dark Elves, for whom defeating Druids and Mages isn't as critical.
And the speed is much lower (if you take Haggeesh). It's faster with Argath, but if you have ranged attacks against stone and wood, you might have problems.
I still can't understand why your level is so low...
With all the problems, by the end of the second month, I was already at level 20, with 20 defense and 20 attack, and I played three times... I didn't fully explore the surface, I didn't clear the map completely (in the Dungeon), I only took the Dragon Utopia... I didn't visit the trees... It seems that the lack of Logistics is causing your leveling problems... I'm talking about Orcs.

You're probably right, but I'm not including logistics because there's no room for it in my build.

My advice to you is to play this map with another person; in my opinion, it's the most interesting map for multiplayer. And I choose the green faction (top right) because it's the most difficult to start with – that's what makes it more interesting!

The topic seems to be about a Dwarf versus Winghael?! I think everyone understands the Orcs part...
What do I think about the Dwarf and Light Elf (and Winghael)? I haven't tried it, of course, but it seems obvious that Winghael will attack first anyway ->
the Dwarves are just waiting for that, so we need to max out our defense until the pulse is depleted: there are many options, but we definitely need to take Evasion. BDP or Heal is a difficult choice... why Education and Luck?
Education is because we need higher stats against Winghael.
Luck and probably Light with Storm.
The conclusion is that the Dwarf has a good chance against Winghael, it will be more difficult against others!

Does the dwarf have a movement bonus underground or not?

Does the dwarf have a bonus to movement when underground?

In my opinion, Wingael is an overpowered hero... but if a true pro plays him, no dwarf will stand a chance... most of the victory will depend on the artifacts (archer's dream, dragon set, dwarf set), and the other part will depend on the player's skill...

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Sorry guys for the off-topic - who has Heroes 3.0, Tribes of the East, and wants to play with me: through Hamachi: Heronets network, password 12345 or 123456)) if anyone is interested, write... I can't download 3.1 for many reasons))