Posts from Dwarf vs. Wingayel (Lands of Outcasts)

I don't understand why Wingael invested in logistics on a small map that you've been playing for 3 full months, when it's possible to explore the entire map without logistics in just 2 months. And the lack of defense for Wingael in a battle with at least 10 weeks' worth of troop growth is just noobish. And he built more Hive structures than he built early castles.
I don't know what armies you have in the replay, but 20 level 7 monsters and 50 level 6 monsters, etc., is just a chaotic mess where the Gnomish faction shouldn't have any equals, unless the opponent has Dark Magic.

Helmar and Inga are good for large maps! You should have taken Ingvar! Oh well... Your friend is also wrong; if he had taken Ossir, it would have been over for you even sooner...

In general, I don't like games where you just gather troops and fight – sorry, but that's not strategy. There's a great way to counter Wing: equip your mages with artifacts that boost initiative, and that's it.

Despite some negative comments from certain forum users, I want to say that I was 100% right to create this thread!

In the endgame, I managed to lure him into the Dungeon (in return, I allowed him to gain a level from one of the underground trees).

I won't describe the final battle; those who want to can watch it.

The main conclusion:
It seems to me, and practice has shown, that no matter how you develop any Elf, a Gnome will always be stronger, and he will be stronger primarily because of the Runes and his survivability (defense + health), and that's a FACT.

If anyone wants to argue, please do so with full descriptions, arguments, and a REPLAY!

I want to note that, in addition to the satisfaction, I also received a case of Slavutich (we decided to bet before the game to increase responsibility for the result).

The root of the defeat lies in the incorrect choice of upgrades for the final battle!
1) Dryads instead of Nymphs - the latter have 1 more damage, which, with such armies, is more significant than the ability to cast "Dispel" or "Swarm";
2) Dancers - why not Wind Spirits?;
3) Druids - why not Energizers, if the Arch Druids don't cast spells anyway?;
4) Unicorns - why not Children of Light, especially since Wing had skillful Light magic?

And couldn't Wing acquire "Teleport" and "Vengeance" in 3 months? ;)

Very hasty and dubious conclusion. It's silly to judge the strength of one race or another based on a battle between two novice players. Instead of full descriptions, arguments, and replays, we can test everything you wrote on the weekend (if you want). I have version 3.1 of the game, but that's not a problem.

Wingael's build was far from perfect. Given the described conditions, logistics were still unnecessary. Why take Arrow Storm with Enchanted Arrow and Light Magic? This is completely contradictory. If it's light, then don't take Arrow Storm and Enchanted Arrow, and if you take Enchanted Arrow, then go for Chaos. Where's the Speed Aura? Considering that tactics are being nullified, this skill should have been taken. Of course, Dancing with the Wind should have been taken; they have more speed than Dancing with Death, and they should, in theory, be able to reach the enemy. The choice of Dryads is absolutely wrong, as is the choice of Druids.

Mish-gan, congratulations on the victory. But I'm absolutely sure that you play better than your friend. The proof is simple: play the same game again, but with everything reversed. You play as Wingael!

Yes, it seems like a decent build.
In my opinion, you can do without defense.
You don't need to take magic skills, as the elf casts Chaos spells through the Enchanted Arrow – Arrow Storm, and this magic skill doesn't apply to that.
And, of course, take new druids that increase magic skills.

But you're right, the dwarves have various elemental runes + dwarven luck...
So, most likely, instead of Chaos, it's better to take Light; then you shouldn't take Arrow Storm, Enchanted Arrow, or Deadly Shot.
And regarding luck, leadership, it seems like everything is correct.

It's strange that the dryads and dancers didn't reach their targets; in my experience, with the nymph's speed aura, they reach even without tactics, and the dancers with Wind have the ability to attack those standing in the second row. Unicorns should also reach. Most likely, it was an unsuccessful setup (maybe you were just unlucky). Or there was some artifact that reduced the speed of the creatures.

That's an argument.
However, Mish-gan and his friend level up to 25 in a little over 3 months, meaning without rushing. And in a sense, this map is "large."

Damn!!! :smile07: :smile07: :smile07: And I still can't understand how they reach level 23... It turns out they level up for four months!!! And I thought it meant the fourth week of the first month...:smile01:

I would only recommend the new druids for Chaos.
But even if it's a light faction, what's better about the new druids compared to the old ones?
We're not building a channel; we're attacking directly, and the new ones have better stats.

Don't take "Arrow Shower"!!!
Dwarves are definitely very strong on large maps. But no matter how many times I've played as Wing on large maps, any race always loses miserably. Usually, Wing has more than half of his army left.

It's fine with experience ;). But waiting 3 months on this relatively small map is beyond me!
I played as Haggeesh and, with good logistics, cleared the entire upper level in the first month - and by the end of the second month, I started re-taking the utopias (on the 7th week - 6 captures). In total, I reached level 27, and that's without visiting the villages (there are 4 of them).

The experience gain is decent there ;). But waiting 3 months on this, relatively small map – I can't imagine!
I played as Haggeesh and, with good logistics, cleared the upper level completely in the first month – and by the end of the second month, I started re-taking the utopias (on the 7th week – 6 captures). In total, I reached level 27, and that's without visiting the resource nodes (there are 4 of them).