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If there are no objections, then: the player who chooses Solmyr can eliminate 4 castles. Or shall we debate?
Let's say, not debate, but rather discuss :). I understand that the GOAL of the tournament is to bring more clarity to the question of whether these mages are overpowered (or not). Playing Solmyr against only weak castles doesn't quite align with these goals... Therefore, I'm in favor of eliminating 2 castles. As a compromise, 3 castles. P.S. I'd like to clarify a situation: We are currently considering two hypotheses: 1. These mages are definitely overpowered. 2. These mages are definitely not overpowered. The non-confirmation of one hypothesis does not automatically imply the truth of the other...
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Imbalance occurs when a Solmyr of approximately level 10 is released, which can happen even in the first week. At the start, with 0 magic, the heroes will perform adequately, but they won't be decisive in 100% or even 90% of cases. Aislinn is, of course, good; she helps overcome difficult obstacles early on and provides support against rushes. What else is needed? Solmyr performs well.
Say, just to argue and discuss :). I'd like to clarify a certain situation: We are currently considering 2 hypotheses: 1 These mages are definitely imbalanced. 2 These mages are definitely not imbalanced. The failure to confirm one hypothesis does not automatically imply the truth of the second...
I wouldn't say we are considering exactly these two hypotheses. Those who play with magic are trying to convey to us that under certain circumstances these mages can be dangerous. How they do it is their business. I'm all for not interfering, I'm interested myself. Let them show me a beautiful game with an unbanned Solmyr in at least one of the seven games!
I cannot recreate the situation Oelm wrote about: Solmyr captures any grassland castle, and that's imbalanced. But you already have Solmyr and a normal army from the start, so capture any grassland castle and develop it, since that's the case! Besides, Tower is a strong castle in capable hands. I appeal to the Mages team: if there are situations where these mages become imbalanced, then they should manifest themselves at least a couple of times throughout the entire tournament! As for Solmyr at level 10 on the first week — well, imho any Malekith in his place would look decent, there's no point in considering such random situations. And who's stopping you from leveling Solmyr to level 10 and rushing in this tournament?
Say, just to argue and discuss :). As I understand it, the GOALS of the tournament — to bring greater clarity to the question of the imbalancedness (or non-imbalancedness) of these mages — playing Solmyr only against weak castles is less aligned with these goals...
Let's discuss :) Let's be honest: here is the hierarchy of castles in SoD imho and in the opinion ofmany: Necropolis Conflux Dungeon-Rampart Castle-Fortress Tower-Barbarian Inferno Striking out 4 castles is proposed so that the Swords team does not have a significant racial advantage. They are left with a choice of five castles (more than under the current rules), I don't think they are "only weak". Playing Castle against Tower is a sweet thing. Besides, it's a matter of taste: for example, I know that my opponent consistently plays ranged castles, so I might leave him Dungeon instead, maybe he won't get 3 stacks and a Griffin Conservatory at his doorstep. Or Razor, for instance, is almost certain to choose Gurney at the start, etc.
I want the games to be decided not by race, but with a greater emphasis on battle magic. Have none of you read reports like "gave red Gosha, nothing to write about, thanks for the game"? Is it interesting to read/write them? Even though I won
Another matter is that these very "imbalanced" mages themselves might gain a racial advantage (Aislin). Mages from Dungeon — unlikely, Dungeon without Shakti isn't that strong anyway. So I propose another option, and I think it would be fair (I also included all level 4 specialists in the list, since you want it):
Point 3. Color and Castle Selection The player of the "Magic" team selects one of the following starting heroes: Aislin, Deemer, Solmyr, Loins, Coronius, Xyron, Alamar, Jeddite, and the corresponding castle. They also strike out 2 castles for the opponent if choosing Aislin, and 4 if choosing another hero. The player of the "Sword" team selects a castle from the remaining seven and a starting hero. Exceptions — the Conflux castle (random hero) and heroes specializing in level 4 magic, as well as Tante (they cannot be chosen). If the player of the "Magic" team chose Aislin, then the player of the "Sword" team chooses the color. When choosing other heroes, the color is chosen by the player of the "Magic" team. As an exception, player Dirty_Player is allowed to choose Luna as a starting hero. Their opponent chooses the color, but - note - the color changes after a restart (111 or 113).
If I haven't convinced you — present counter-arguments, let's discuss further :) The rules are made for you. If you remain silent, I'll leave it as is, seems fine to me) Forrest
It can. With a probability of 1.
With what probability will Forrest play in the tournament for the Mages? :)
That's a shame, we'll miss him. For now, there are 16 people, and if no one joins in the next 2 days, we'll start with this number. If that's the case, we can have everyone play against each other, in 8 rounds. That's fine, but then we'll have to reduce the time per round to 10 days to finish before the end of the year. If we have 2 weeks per round, only 6 rounds can be played this year. If you have any thoughts, please share them.
And I also want to add about "why choose 4 factions instead of 2."
I had a discussion today with both Scorp and Loy. We had a good debate. I was arguing to Scorp that we should choose 2 factions, and to Valera that we should choose four :D
Scorp's main argument is that we shouldn't give anyone a racial advantage.
Loy's main argument is that since Solmyr is overpowered, let them show their strength not only against Castle/Swamp, as that's not a good indicator.
Thanks to both for their opinions; I agree with some of them, as I wrote above.
And to avoid standard games like Tower vs. Swamp, Tower vs. Castle, you can add your own element of excitement! If the mages are so confident in their correctness, let a Shaktar player play a fighter! If the fighters are confident in their opinion, choose Inferno/Barbarians!
Now, Scorp will probably say that I'm doing this just to provoke him. Yes, I am :)
Understand that the imbalance of Solmyr will be seen or not seen not by the number of wins/losses, but by how successfully or unsuccessfully it can be used against Gosha, or against Pir - what's the difference. With these rules, both sides seem to have many options, and you can also agree among yourselves. And more excitement! :)
P.S. SpiritT gave me Kiryu, yes, I took him on a dare, so to speak. Scorp won't let me, so I'll take Castle. Loy will choose Barbarians)) And there will be matches against different factions, and then we'll see what happens
SpiriTT (red, Tower, Solmyr, Solmyr/Arlach) def Kash (blue, Rampart, Kyrre, Kyrre) 2sm4d(3), 126 Agreed to play this way. Started after my first restart. Immediately scouted an external dwelling of Gremlins and a pass guard — 20+ Orcs. On the first day, I hit 50 Dwarves with a Gremlin stack, 42 Gremlin zombies, chest for experience. Reached level 4 with Air Magic. Then I hit the Orcs (there were 33). On the road, a block of 20+ Minotaurs guarding a prison. Lost a day because I sent the main hero into the darkness to go around, but it was a dead end. Returned the army — Solmyr came back to refill mana, the army takes another external dwelling of Gremlins. At this point I blundered and foolishly attacked Hobbits, and then also entered a Crypt — and it was a max one. I lost a fair number of Gremlins, and on the same day attacked the Minotaurs — 1 remained. They had autoresolve and I killed them on turn 116 with the loss of 10 Gremlins, 10 Imps, and 5 Gog. In the prison, Arlach level 10 with decent skills. Conflux was captured. At home, due to the blunder, Nagas are only in the fort. The passage to the opponent is found. On my second turn, I gathered some cash, bought out the army, and went on the attack. Lightning already at 350+, also found +4 Attack. Rescued a few turn-based encounters, a feint, and captured the blue capital. Saw Dessa, who teleported the army away. Solmyr from the stables caught up, and surrender. Thanks for the game! P.S. 1-0
He messed up.
He made a significant mistake and has no excuse.
Regarding Solmir specifically:
Artem managed to deal around 30 damage with a leveled-up unit at level 116 – it's quite powerful, but it's allowed by the rules. He came to me with a 6-0-6-7 build, with a lightning spell at 350 and his native troops. He skillfully broke the chain and successfully blocked the passage, but it didn't reach the final stage due to my mistake – I didn't position the chain correctly and exposed my troops. In general, he should have retreated to a tier 3 structure with a level 5 helmet and other useful items.
Thank you for the game.
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Congratulations to the mage team on their first point, and to the fighter team for having me :)
And also - if anyone who has already signed up agrees to play in advance, I don't mind, just let me know. SpiritTom and I have already agreed to play the first round outside the draw, for example. By the way, I would arrange you according to how you are listed in the table for now. Perhaps it will stay that way.
We will officially start on the first of the month. Kash
For now, there are 16 people, if no one joins in the next 2 days, we will start with this number. If so, then we can play everyone against everyone, 8 rounds. In principle, that's fine, but then we will have to reduce the time for each round to 10 days in order to finish before the end of the year. If we have 2 weeks per round, then only 6 rounds can be played this year. If you have any thoughts, express them.
If no one else joins, we will consider the table as the draw, everyone will play against everyone anyway. Any objections? :)
So, does “everyone plays against everyone” mean that I still have games left to play with the remaining players on the list? I thought each player would only have one game. And if there are many players, then we should use a Swiss-system tournament. Did I misunderstand?
We have 16 players, so maybe we should still use a Swiss-system tournament?
So, does this mean I get to play with everyone else from the list? I thought each person would only play one game. And if there are a lot of people, we'll use a Swiss-system tournament. Did I misunderstand? We have 16 people, so maybe we should use a Swiss-system tournament after all?
Apparently, you misunderstood. I don't care, let's do a Swiss-system tournament. 6 rounds, 2 weeks each. We already discussed this with you, but you're not paying attention again.
Loi
