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Tournament Committee Closed Topic
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Offline Pit for LM
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Dear Wicc and Alex_R! I asked you to refrain from discussing the remaining rules during the voting period. I demand that you calm down. If that is not possible, please move your discussion to ICQ.
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At the very least, I feel at ease here. And this discussion is intended to be public; there's no point or desire to discuss it in ICQ.
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Regarding the rules for resolving disputed situations. They are still under development. BUT. A decision on a disputed issue will be made by a simple majority of votes (not unanimously). That is, with 7 members of the Arbitration Committee, 4 votes must be cast in your favor. Why is it this way?
1. One or more members of the Arbitration Committee may find themselves in a disputed situation and should not vote in this case.
2. Someone may be absent at the right time, and the decision cannot wait.
3. Each of us has personal sympathies and antipathies.
4. Each of us is susceptible to emotions and may make a wrong decision under their influence.
5. Most of the members of the Arbitration Committee are members of clans. This may negatively affect the fairness of their decision.

It is impossible to demand complete agreement from the Arbitration Committee on every issue.
The right of VETO and the right to VOTE are two very different things. Each member of the Arbitration Committee will be given the authority to resolve disputed issues. But none of them will be given the authority to overturn the decisions of the other members of the Arbitration Committee. Personally, if I am elected to the Arbitration Committee, I cannot accept the right of VETO, and as a HOMM3 player, I cannot grant such a right to anyone.

To Wicc. Based on the above, you have the right to involve at least 4 members of the Arbitration Committee in discussing the situation in a disputed case. And if they are all unanimously on your side, then the decision will be made in your favor ;)
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1. Alex_R -
2. Mizrael -
3. LeBron - "-"
4. Pit for LM - "+"
5. scorp - "+"
6. vbn -
7. Dubrovin Pavel - "+"

This is my opinion. I support three candidates, am against one, and can't say anything about the others because we haven't interacted or played much. Or haven't played at all... Sir LeBron is a worthy player in every respect, but he doesn't even have time to finish the tournaments he organizes himself, let alone "work" in the Tournament Committee. I would also add Neoandy and rebellious as candidates. As for interpreting the rules, the latter is an expert, and Neo can act as a representative from a friendly resource, if they are willing:smile26:
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I vote for the "additional list" - Dirty_Player, invisible, Javdet.
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I agree with Viktor in choosing Javdet as a teammate :) There aren't many TE players in the Academy, otherwise, there will be some imbalance:rolleyes:...
Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)

Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:
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Currently, 31 people have voted: bRitvo4kA, Pit for LM, He3Hauka, Dirty_Player, Dubrovin Pavel, Sem 56, SpiriTT, , Hermit, ewgeniy, LeBron, OUTLAW, Dekontaminator, Psyche_7, KostyaN, Alex_R, redwhait, Captain, Nagan-4, vbn, Kash, Ta Kotoraya..., Mizrael, Wlk777, Oelm, Wicc, RAPER, invisible, Neoandy, Alone, Javdet.
Preliminary results (first number - FOR, second number - AGAINST):
1. Alex_R - 18-7
2. Mizrael - 19-0
3. LeBron - 20-2
4. Pit for LM - 29-0
5. scorp - 21-0
6. vbn - 26-0
7. Dubrovin Pavel - 21-3

From the "additional list": Dirty_Player - +11, Nagan-4 - +6, invisible - +6-1, Javdet - +4.
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1. Alex_R - +1
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4. Pit for LM - +1
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6. vbn - +1
7. Dubrovin Pavel - +1

For 7 people.
Homo Homini :smile03:

Острые копья мы воткнём в небо
Полками затмим горизонты
Знает уже враг не откупиться
От казака ему золотом жёлтым.

Мы выступаем не за трофеев
Ведёт нас вперёд великая вера
Если погибнуть за землю родную
Не побоиться тут каждый быть первым.

Лютая братия будет битва
Сложат былины мудрые деды
А коли останемся в поле навеки
Что-ж, жить нам после - в легендах.
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Pit for LM

Preliminary results (first number - FOR, second - AGAINST):
1. Alex_R - 18-7
2. Mizrael - 19-0
3. LeBron - 20-2
4. Pit for LM - 29-0
5. scorp - 21-0
6. vbn - 26-0
7. Dubrovin Pavel - 21-3

I still don't understand what criteria will be used to select the AC (Advisory Council). :smile32: The voting is ongoing, people are accumulating points, but what happens next?
1. If Dirty had been included in the initial list, in my opinion, he wouldn't have been last in terms of votes. The initial list was simply created based on the first people who responded, which meant that other respected individuals were effectively excluded and had to settle for the "additional list." Because of this, many people are now voting, choosing from the 7 initial candidates, and rarely paying attention to the "additional" ones. It feels wrong. :(
2. How many people should be in the AC? For example, I want there to be 5, while many want 7. Will the number of people in the AC be determined solely by a majority vote? For example, if 20 people vote for an AC consisting of 7 members and 10 people vote for 5 members, then there will be 7. Am I understanding this correctly?
3. How will the "against" votes be taken into account? Let's say one candidate has 7 votes against him and 18 votes for him out of 25 votes. The second candidate has 12 votes for him and no votes against. Who is more preferable? In my opinion, 12-0 is more preferable than 18-7, because the candidate with many "against" votes is, let's say, not respected by a sufficient number of people. I repeat, this is just my opinion.
4. I initially thought I had to vote for someone from the 7 initial candidates. Can I change my decision now?
Sorry if the answers were already here, I think I scrolled through everything, but I might have missed something.

My suggestion is to hold a real, automated vote with buttons for "for" and "against," a large list of ALL the people suggested here, the ability to choose 5 or 7 AC members, and to announce in advance the principle by which the final decision will be made, the exact voting deadlines, and most importantly: to fully define ALL the powers of the AC, its structure of work and actions regarding which cases, and at what specific time the AC's decision must be made + complex situations within the AC itself (let's say, out of 7 members, 3 are unavailable, 1 is for, 1 is against, and 2 abstain. How should decisions be made in such cases? This is just an example; there are many situations).
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He3Hauka
My IMHO is that 12-0 is more important than 18-7 because someone with a lot of votes "against" is not respected by enough people. I repeat, IMHO.
What kind of nonsense is this?
What does it mean to be disrespected? Almost every player has "friends" and "enemies," and they vote based on that.
For example, Wicc's vote is just typical showmanship; he pretends he isn't afraid to speak out against me directly, but in reality, there's no basis for it.
First, he wrote, "I will vote as I do..." which already shows a careless approach, and secondly, he pursues a goal incompatible with the purpose of voting.
Secondly, he voted for four candidates and against me, while saying he doesn't know about the rest. But he also doesn't know me either, neither as an expert in Heroes nor as a person in real life, and that's a fact!
Thirdly, even if we believe what he said about my mannerisms, etc., the question arises: how can this interfere with me fulfilling my direct duties in the AC (Administration Council)?
Fourthly, I would be interested to see a list of those who voted against me... surely there will be some who simply had a conflict with me, plus friends they invited, or maybe someone who is just afraid for their own skin (if I am chosen)?
Continuing the theme of "Let's all gang up against Alex_R," you can remember the TE propaganda topic (late 2007). How many Baevites were offended back then? It's time to invite them to vote against him.
Otherwise, the voting should be open, with explanations for each candidate's votes. For example, it's unclear why there are people among those who voted who aren't even registered on the ХВ forum. Or how local a candidate should be to become a member of the AC... and how much weight should be given to the votes of players who don't consider ХВ to be their "home resource."

P.S. But the worst thing is that I see fewer prospects for creating an official commission because looking at this thread, there's no work being done on the Violation System, which has been giving errors more than once.

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As for Wicc, I am simply amazed by this person... every post is just one line long and full of insults towards everyone, for example, the entire 14th page of the "alternative rating".
He probably made a mistake when he wrote that he "doesn't pretend to be cool."
Wicc
I'm such a tough guy and I don't give a damn about anyone
A cold shower in the form of an n-day ban is simply necessary :cool:
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Alex_R
What kind of nonsense is this?
I am interested in the meaning of the "against" votes when considering the total number of votes. Not specifically you, don't take it personally. Regarding friends and enemies, I think that here, in the AC, we should choose the most respected people who are also willing to work in the AC. If many people vote against someone, then, I repeat, in my personal opinion, that person should not be chosen for the AC. But this is just my opinion, it is not up to me to decide.
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I am interested in the meaning of the "against" votes when considering the total number of votes. Not specifically you, don't take it personally.
I'm not offended; I was upset that a "against" vote means disrespect.
I'll give an example from my voting. I voted against Pasha; it seems like he definitely doesn't have any enemies, and everyone probably respects him... and I'm no exception, but in my opinion, I believe that he is not compatible with this type of activity and this position because he clearly stated that he trusts everyone completely and never makes saves.
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Alex_R
I'm not offended; I was upset that voting against something means disrespect.
I voted against Pasha because he clearly stated that he trusts everyone completely and never makes saves.

I don't remember writing that I don't make saves; I probably didn't because I didn't know how to check them, but I've partially corrected that... now that I know how to check saves. :smile01:
С истиной где-то рядом...





Лето 2010.
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Alex_R
I'm not offended; I was upset that voting against something means disrespect.
Let me give an example from my voting. I voted against Pasha; it seems like he definitely doesn't have any enemies, and everyone probably respects him... and I'm no exception, but in my opinion, I believe he's not compatible with this kind of activity and this position because he clearly stated that he trusts everyone completely and doesn't even make saves.

Pasha provided false information :) about a year ago when we were just starting to play online... after the game, Pasha wrote: "fail - you completed the map with a shift of about 115..." It's a small fact, but I don't know what it means.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

Зима 2011-12.
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Offline Pit for LM
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That's He3Hauka. I'll answer questions related to the matter, based on my understanding of the situation.
He3Hauka
1. If Dirty had been included in the initial list, in my opinion, he wouldn't have been last in terms of votes. The initial list was simply created based on the first people who responded, which meant that other respected individuals were essentially left out and had to settle for the "additional list." Because of this, many people are now voting, choosing from the 7 initial candidates, and rarely paying attention to the "additional" ones. It's a bit wrong like this. :(
Yes, the fact that Dirty_Player wasn't included in the list was a mistake, as evidenced by the voting results. Moreover, he has the skills, desire, and ability to work. At the time the list was compiled, about 20 people participated in the discussion. Unfortunately, no one suggested his candidacy. And I also thought that he would be more suitable for working in the Organizing Committee...
The other candidates from the "additional list" are just a formality. Nagan-4, invisible, Javdet, and ewgeniy have withdrawn their candidacies.
He3Hauka
2. How many people should be in the AC? For example, I want there to be 5, many want there to be 7. Will the number of people in the AC be determined purely by majority? Like, if 20 people vote for a composition of the AC with 7 members, and 10 people vote for 5 members, then there will be 7. Am I understanding correctly?
Initially, 5 people were planned. During the discussion, a good option of 7 was formed. This number may be more convenient, considering what is written in my 93rd post above.
He3Hauka
3. How will "against" votes be taken into account? Let's say one candidate has 7 votes against him and 18 votes for him out of 25 votes. The second candidate has 12 votes "for" and no votes against. Who is more preferable? In my opinion, 12-0 is more preferable than 18-7, because the one with many "against" votes is, let's say, not respected by a sufficient number of people. I repeat, IMO.
My opinion regarding 12-0 and 18-7 is the same as yours. Let's discuss this issue. Please share your opinions. But people don't just vote "against" because of disrespect. I voted "against" TaKo's candidacy, on the contrary, out of respect for the girl and to protect her from not entirely correct questions that the AC will have to deal with. And many people share this opinion.
He3Hauka
4. I initially thought I should vote for someone from the 7 initial candidates, can I change my decision now?
I don't mind. We're not electing the President of the country. I didn't expect that voting for additional candidates would start spontaneously. And I considered it possible for myself to "re-vote"...
He3Hauka
My suggestion: organize a real vote, automatic, with buttons for "for" and "against," a large list of ALL the people suggested here, the ability to choose 5 or 7 members of the AC, and the final decision-making principle should be announced in advance, with specific voting deadlines.
I'm not sure if this is necessary. Judging by what we already have, a larger list is unlikely. There is only one more real candidate. The specific deadlines are in my post 65 in this thread. And I don't cheat or manipulate the results; I write down what there is. Buttons would certainly inspire more confidence... How would you vote using buttons? And there are several other people with the same problems as you.
He3Hauka
The main thing: ALL the powers of the AC are fully defined, its structure of work and actions regarding which cases and at what specific time the AC's decision should be made + complex situations within the AC itself (let's say, out of 7 members, 3 are unavailable, 1 is for, 1 is against, and 2 abstain. How to make a decision in such cases?
The tasks that will face the AC are outlined quite clearly. All these questions will find their solution in the near future. I am working on this and hope for the help of the future AC. I have a session in progress, so I can't do everything at once. In general, this is a matter of trust in the AC. Naturally, all this will be discussed openly and with the opinions of all players taken into account. Give me some time...
Alex_R
I would be interested in seeing a list of the people who voted against me...
I'm sorry, I can't do that (my post 65 in this thread):
Pit for LM
* The secrecy of the vote will be observed to the following extent: I will finalize the results in the form of an EXCEL table and pass it on to the moderators ewgeniy, vbn, Ta Kotoraya... and to Nagan-4.
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