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4) I ask you to pay special attention to the following point:
Before registering for any tournament on HeroesWorld, you must understand that you become a part of it and its conduct depends on you as one of the players. To create an overall positive impression from the tournament, it is necessary to follow its rules and show respect to the organizers and other participants. An important component of a good tournament is conducting all scheduled matches. In order to reduce the percentage of unplayed matches, this rule regulates the maximum number of possible missed matches – no more than 30% of the total number of matches and no more than one match in a row per player, as well as a penalty for violating this rule: if a player does not respond to requests to play tournament games, they will be banned from participating in tournaments on HeroesWorld for 6 months. If a player has valid reasons for refusing to participate in a tournament and informs the organizer about this during the tournament, they will be banned from participating in the next tournament on HW.
That is, if something prevents you from playing matches within the deadlines or even the entire tournament, let me know via ICQ or PM; you don't have to specify the reason, otherwise you will only be disqualified from the next tournament.
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Before signing up for a tournament, it is advisable to read the rules so that there are no such questions later.

This is a harsh truth, but this rule applies to all tournaments on ХВ.
Dear StickyFingaz! We haven’t had a topic called "General Rules for Online HoMM3 Tournaments" yet. And the conditions you specified were nowhere approved or publicly agreed upon. By default, tournament organizers usually follow Rules for online games of HoMM3 and formulas for calculating rating.
Surely, neither anyone nor almost anyone among the participants of current and planned online tournaments is even aware that what was quoted was written somewhere. Based on the above, I declare that this rule cannot apply to “all tournaments” on HeroesWorld until it is agreed upon and approved. As for the tournaments organized personally by you, here you have every right.
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Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth...
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And the conditions you specified were never officially approved anywhere.

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I thought this rule had long been included in the rules of online games. Well, maybe it should be written down now; after all, all organizers agreed with this rule.
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I completely agree!
And it's about time!
And it should be clearly stated in the rules so that everyone can see it.

There's only one thing I don't understand. Who voted? Was there even a discussion about this during the vote? Why were these specific deadlines and conditions chosen? It seems like a decision was made quietly, and that's it... At least provide the results. It seems like we've always had an open policy of discussing and resolving issues.

I'm interested, and I think others will be too. I'm emphasizing the need for complete transparency in making decisions on such issues on our forum.

So, based on the conversation with StickyFingaz, the aforementioned rule was unanimously chosen and approved from all the other options in the survey (I don't know how many there were or what they were). StickyFingaz, ewgeniy, loi, Javdet, Nagan-4, and, I think, Dreamcatcher participated in the vote.

I have no more questions. Thank you for the information.
Клан Homo homini

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth...
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StickyFingaz, ewgeniy, loi, Javdet, Nagan-4, and, I think, Dreamcatcher participated in the vote.
Why didn't you ask ordinary players? You always conducted a poll.
I think that if a player notified everyone in a timely manner, then he shouldn't be punished for it! Everyone has problems in real life. But it's a different matter if a person simply disappears without a trace; then I agree that measures should be taken!
It's surprising how people here were so vocal about democracy, and then so easily kicked Beshu... In this tournament, his presence/absence will not affect the tournament schedule in any way, because the system is round-robin... In short, there are many questions about this point... Do you want people to stop playing altogether???:confused:
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I suggest we take the discussion of this issue outside of this thread. I personally had some doubts about this rule as well, but back then, everything happened quickly and went unnoticed. After the decision was made, Nagan and Evgeny, who voted for the rule, withdrew from the tournament themselves, and Loy disqualified himself. Some aspects seem incorrect to me, and I would like to discuss some of the additions.
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I suggest we take the discussion of this issue outside of this thread.
Why couldn't we discuss this issue immediately after the rule was published?
But then everything happened quickly and went unnoticed.
Another argument in favor of the fact that there are many indifferent people here.
After the decision was made, Nagan and Evgeny, who voted for the rule, withdrew from the tournament themselves.
I repeat - this rule was not yet applied in that tournament! Write it in bold so you understand?

Regarding that time, I can answer, but I will not participate in the current discussion for obvious reasons.
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- May, I forgot to include this in my rules, and now I'm wondering what to do - either implement the rule or wait for the next tournament (fortunately, it's not too far off).
Nagan and Evgeny, who voted for the rule, ended up withdrawing from the tournament themselves.
Well, I withdrew because I didn't have enough time, but I messed up the Loevsky tournament. And in general, I recently forgot about these things and asked Dzhavdet for leniency - luckily, he didn't change his mind :) because then I would have violated our rules. Also, we need to come up with a list of those who have been penalized, and I think it's better not to do this on the forum, or if we do, it should be done in a way that no one can argue there...
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у меня лишь есть мечты.
Я разостлал свои мечты пред вашими ногами.
Ступайте бережно, ибо вы ступаете по моим мечтам.

временно ушел с форума, переодически заглядываю. кому нужен пишите в скайп ewgeniy1985. в аське 384385000 очень редко.
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We haven't had a topic on "General rules for online HoMM3 tournaments" yet.
The topic "discussion of online game rules" mainly discusses game rules. I suggest creating a topic "discussion of online tournament rules."
What I would like to discuss:
1. General rules for organizing and running tournaments. The rights and obligations of both organizers and players, as well as their mutual respect. I believe that the responsibility for the successful conduct of the tournament should lie not only with the players but also with the organizers. The powers of the organizers. Who grants them? Or do they simply take them on their own? Are decisions regarding the conduct of tournaments discussed collectively or only within a narrow circle? Here, we should also discuss, make more correct and specific, and supplement the rule from StickyFingaz.
2. Issues of judging tournaments. Our organizers participate in most of their tournaments. I believe it is necessary to involve an authoritative player who is not participating in the tournament to resolve controversial issues that arise in games involving the organizer. Such situations have already arisen and escalated into scandals. And in general, an additional authoritative opinion would not be superfluous.
3. Developing an algorithm for player behavior in case of rule violations or suspected violations. This is a very important issue. Many players do not know what to do in a controversial situation and vent everything on the forum. Again, scandals.
It is necessary to stipulate the severity of the punishment for violating the rules. Is every violation punished with a technical defeat? Or is a replay possible?
It is especially important to focus on controversial issues regarding violations of the fair play rule. It seems to me that if a cheater is not banned, then at least somehow inform everyone that this user was caught cheating, so that situations like the one we had in Times of Year do not occur, when a cheater, exposed in the fourth game, registered with us less than a month later and continued his activities. There were suggestions about indelible signatures... It would also be good to discuss the indivisibility of rules into "gentlemen's" and "ladies'" rules; after all, rules are not toilets. And it would be good if an avatar with a professional photograph of a professional model does not affect the enforcement of the rules.
4. In this topic, we could also discuss awarding bonus points for tournaments in the ranking if an alternative ranking is adopted as the main one.
5. Issues of participation, selection, and conduct of inter-portal tournaments.
6, 7, 8 ...
Tournaments are not yet a very common thing for us. It is unlikely that the topic will generate much discussion. Of the tournaments currently running, only BestofHW has gathered a fairly large number of participants. But for the future, I believe these issues are important to discuss. I hope that vbn, Dirty_Player, ewgeniy, Javdet, and other active members of our forum will show interest.
vbn
It seems that we have always had an open policy of discussing and resolving issues...
I reiterate the importance of a universally open approach to resolving such issues on our forum...
+1.
I believe that the issues raised concern all players, so even ordinary players have the right to influence their fate.
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well, I'll try to come up with some ideas...
in general, we currently have a concept called a tournament curator - this was discussed by the entire administration, and at the moment, I am the online curator for Heroes of Might and Magic III.
В. Уэйтс©
Но поскольку я нищий,
у меня лишь есть мечты.
Я разостлал свои мечты пред вашими ногами.
Ступайте бережно, ибо вы ступаете по моим мечтам.

временно ушел с форума, переодически заглядываю. кому нужен пишите в скайп ewgeniy1985. в аське 384385000 очень редко.
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I suggest that using quick combat in situations where a battle cannot be won in normal mode (e.g., 1 Hydra against a Hive of 12 or 18 un-upgraded units) or is won with significantly greater losses should be considered a violation of rule 6 and, therefore, prohibited.
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I'm against it... another restriction... there are already too many.
And it's not a bug, it's a well-known feature.

"Это нам идеально подходит!" [Новосибирск, 2013]
"Красавчик! Если только не читер.." [Киев, 2014]
"Это Вам не шутки - нажрался Dust в маршрутке" [Новокузнецк, 2015]
Сам ты фиш (с) :D
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I suggest that using quick combat in situations where a battle cannot be won in normal mode (e.g., 1 hydra against a hive of 12 or 18 un-upgraded units) or is won with significantly greater losses should be considered a violation of rule 6 (a bug) and, therefore, prohibited.

I haven't had to use this "bug"-feature yet (because I can't build hydras on the 1st level in SOD), but I don't think it's something that significant:rolleyes:, game-breaking, or anything like that – it's just a feature, not worse than positioning 2-hex units on a cell further away with the Tactics skill on auto-battle... Let's ban all features – why be stingy? :) By the way, I can give a physical explanation for this "bug": the computer calculates that in quick combat, the hydra attacks all stacks at once from the first round and possibly is not weakened by their ability... The trick seems to be that the hive cannot be taken with quick combat if there are only single units! but with one hydra – no problem ;) .
Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)

Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:
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I'm against it... another ban... there are too many already...
and it's not a bug, it's a well-known feature.
I think it's clearly a bug. For example, I don't understand what the difference is between winning an unwinnable battle under normal circumstances – either by using such "features" or by using cheats. IMO, it's absolutely the same thing; the battle should at least be winnable in one out of 1000 cases under normal circumstances; otherwise, it's simply an unfair victory. IMO.
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1. General rules for organizing and conducting tournaments. Rights and responsibilities of both organizers and players, as well as their mutual respect. I believe that the responsibility for the successful conduct of a tournament should lie not only with the players but also with the organizers. The authority of organizers. Who gives it to them? Or do they simply take it upon themselves? Are decisions regarding the conduct of tournaments discussed collectively or only by a narrow circle of insiders? Here, we should discuss, make it more precise and specific, and supplement the rule by StickyFingaz.
Well, tournaments are such a thing: if an organizer decides to hold a tournament, they have every right to dictate their terms, and it is up to the participant to decide: play or not play.
Of course, there should be a system of penalties, for example, for a "poorly organized tournament" or "delay/disruption of a tournament by a participant".
The rule introduced by StickyFingaz may be good, but he had no right whatsoever to introduce it and state that it applies to all HeroesWorld tournaments, because in essence he is just a forum dweller and nothing more!
Pit for LM
2. Questions of tournament judging. Our organizers participate in most of their own tournaments. I consider it necessary to involve an authoritative player who is not participating in the tournament to resolve controversial issues that arise in the organizer's games. Such situations have already occurred and have escalated into scandals. And in general, an additional authoritative opinion would not be out of place.
I consider it necessary to create a so-called appeals committee, for example, of 5 people who do not often take part in tournaments but are at the same time sufficiently authoritative players (e.g., vbn, scorp, etc.), who can look into a controversial issue and make a decision (possibly by voting) that is not subject to discussion!
Pit for LM
3. Development of an algorithm for player behavior when rules are violated or a violation is suspected. This is a very important issue. Many players do not know what to do in a controversial situation and spill everything onto the forum. Again, scandals.
It is necessary to stipulate the severity of punishment for violating the rules. Is every violation punished by a technical loss? Or is a replay possible?
Particular attention should be paid to controversial issues regarding violations of the fair play rule.
Again, the determination of fair/unfair play could be entrusted to the same committee. A cheater could be marked, for example, by making their nickname a color different from other users and the administration (e.g., orange).
Pit for LM
4. In this same topic, one could discuss the awarding of bonus points for tournaments in the rating if an alternative rating is adopted as the main one.
Well, maybe we just need to drop the extra zero in the table that currently exists, and everything will be fine.
Pit for LM
5. Questions of participation, selection, and conduct of cross-portal tournaments.
Here everything depends on the timing of cross-portal competitions; sometimes there is simply no time to conduct selections. I think the option with voting is fine!
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The rule introduced by StickyFingaz may be a good one, but he had no right to introduce it and write that it applies to all HeroesWorld tournaments, since in essence he is just a forum dweller and nothing more!
OMG!!11 >>>ALL<<< organizers of Heroes of Might and Magic III tournaments on HeroesWorld agreed not to accept violators of this rule into their tournaments. I.e., this rule effectively applies to all tournaments on HeroesWorld. I already wrote this 2 times...

P.S. Guys, get an ABC book and learn to read already!!!
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