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Any Nagabanks can be taken relatively easily with these troops, and Cons also, as I already wrote (only the maximum difficulty might take a while).
Keep in mind that he was talking about un-upgraded Strongholds – explain with what units you will attack the Naga with 6 units in a stack?
100 pixies, let's say 20+ Storms and Water Elementals with 20, 6 Psycic and about ten Fire and Earth Elementals... who will attack and die first? :)
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Keep in mind he was writing about unupgraded elementals - explain who you'll use to hit the nagas in a stack of 6?
100 pixies, let's say 20+ elementals, 20+ water elementals, 6 psychics, and about a dozen fire and earth ones... how and who will strike and die first? :)
Well yes, without upgraded air or ice elementals it's tougher, the situation ends up being roughly the same as in the Griffin Conservatory — 60 mana, for example, would be enough, but of course you can't stockpile that much mana for every day like that.
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It's very difficult to get the maximum growth from a Conflux 1-6 in the Citadel.
With your own army, yes... but in real matches, how often do you only have your own army? ;) There's always some kind of addition in the form of Gnomes or Golems - and with them, the situation is completely different.
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60 mana is quite enough, and Greenie and other Conflux mages often have much more by the 2nd week, 60 is the minimum :rolleyes:
Well, maybe it will be enough - although it's not a fact - you need to test it, and don't forget that there is the first turn and the "Spirit of Despair" artifact :rolleyes:
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a native army, yes... but from the real factions: how often do you only have a native army? ;) there will always be some kind of support in the form of dwarves or golems
Hmm? And where is the guarantee that they won't attack the main stacks, and the fairies will definitely be eaten if they are taken

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1. It might be enough - although it's not a fact - it needs to be tested
2. And don't forget that there is a first turn and the "Spirit of Despair" spell:rolleyes:
1. Experience suggests that it should be enough with magic power of at least 6-7.
2. Honestly, I didn't understand what you meant? :confused:
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Well yes, without upgraded air elementals or ice elementals it's harder, the situation turns out roughly the same as in the Griffin Conservatory, 60 mana for example is enough, but of course you can't stockpile mana like that every day in this manner.
no-no-no ... here we were already talking about playing by the rules
1-6 monsters with Castle on week 2 WITHOUT upgrading faeries and storm elementals - here you strike - they fly back won't work ... a hit from any of our units results in a retaliation from 5 nagas, then everyone piles on, and you need to at least remove 5 retaliations, with each stack dying after two retaliations, and it's not guaranteed that after the 2nd or 3rd stack you can gang up on one stack of nagas with everyone ... the situation looks much simpler when you have a lot of air elementals given from 4 heroes for example, plus their external dwelling from week 1, and then taking around 40 of them plus single pixies - you can under Bless try to take them down with minor losses. but again, all this is without the nagas' morale
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Hmm? And where is the guarantee that they won't attack the main stacks, and they will definitely devour the fakes if they are taken.
It's quite difficult to predict the behavior of the "Strekozy" (assuming this is a unit name) in the "Uliky" (assuming this is a map or location). With one arrangement, they attack the "ozher" (assuming this is a unit or building), and with another, they attack the main stacks. In terms of hit points, the native 1-6 in the "Tsita" (assuming this is a building) is not much inferior to other castles, and in terms of damage, it surpasses many – an undeniable plus. The "Konfa" (assuming this is a unit or ability) in the "Uliky" is psychic attacks because they hit without retaliation and everyone in the area, and the "Strekozy," often attacking one unit, create a kind of circle into which it is very pleasant to launch a psychic.

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dragonflies often attack a single unit, creating a sort of circle, which is very satisfying to launch a psionic attack into :)
That's true, but firstly, it's good if they don't all attack the psionic unit at once, otherwise you'll probably lose (and not everyone likes using autosaves, you know ;)), and secondly, the most unpleasant thing is that psionic units without a blessing will kill no more than 5-6 dragonflies, or even fewer, and they won't be able to kill many others either, and in the second round, you'll have to take a lot of damage again, so you'll lose as easily as pie.
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That's more or less true, but firstly, it's good if everyone doesn't immediately attack the Psions, otherwise it's almost certain defeat (and not everyone likes to use autosaves, you know ;)). Secondly, the most unpleasant thing is that Psions without a blessing will kill no more than 5-6 shooters, and maybe even fewer, and they won't be able to kill many others either, and in the second round, you'll have to take a serious beating again, so you'll lose as easily as pie.
In my experience, it has never happened that anyone attacked the Psions – and this is not only a problem for Conflux; the same will happen if the Knights are killed, as well as the Inferno's Ifrits, etc.

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No, no, no... we're talking about a game played according to the rules.
1-6 monsters with a castle, 2nd week, NO upgraded fairies and storm elementals - if you attack, they'll retaliate, and it won't work... any attack from our units results in a counterattack. 5 harpies, then they all pile on, and you need to take out at least 5 stacks, and each stack will die after two counterattacks, and it's not even certain that after the 2nd or 3rd stack, you'll be able to take down one stack of harpies all at once... it's much easier when you have a lot of air units from 4 heroes, for example, and also a hidden stack from the first week, and then, taking about 40 of them plus some pixies, you can try to take them down with a small number of losses using the "Bless" spell. But again, this is all without considering the harpies' morale.
I repeat, the situation is almost the same as with the "Console Max" strategy, even simpler, because the slowed harpies have a speed of 2, it's easier to protect against morale, the main thing is to quickly eliminate the main stack, which isn't that difficult if you have at least 100 archers. Then, as with the "Console Max" strategy, gather the harpies into small groups and attack with pixies and "Bless," considering the low speed of the harpies under the slow effect, you don't even need to speed up the pixies. You can get by with 5 pixies and some fairies, and considering that money is often tight, this is a very convenient strategy:cool:
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The undeniable advantage of having Confusers in the Ruins is their psychic ability, as they attack without retaliation and hit everyone in the area. Also, Dragonflies, by frequently targeting a single unit, create a sort of circle, which is very satisfying to launch a psychic attack into.
There are 5 Psychics, and the corresponding increase – they enter the Ruins with maximum units... they receive 5 attacks of 18 Dragonflies each = approximately 300-400 damage, and at least three stacks will be weakened, and the Psychics will most likely only hit 3, or a maximum of 4 squads, killing about 6 Dragonflies at most... there's no point in continuing, as the weakened troops will, at best, trade for 12 Wyverns, which is less than half the army.
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In my experience, there hasn't been a single instance where they attacked a "psycho" unit – and this isn't just a problem specific to conferences; the same would happen if they killed the Castle's Knights, Inferno's Ifrits, etc.
The point is that the probability of them attacking other level 6 units (except, of course, Cyclops) is much lower, as they have more health and damage. All of this, of course, has a huge impact on choosing the attack target, doesn't it? ;)
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The point is that the probability of attacking other level 6 units (except, of course, Cyclops) is much lower, as they have more health and damage. All of this, of course, has a huge impact on choosing the attack target, doesn't it? ;)
Well, that's exactly why a unit with high hit points but low attack power is chosen.

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weakened troops will at best simply trade for 12 wyverns, which is more than half the army.
The exchange is good, but it might not work out, and in any case, the risk is huge, and in a real online game, it seems unacceptable to me.

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well, that's why you take a high-damage but low-strength unit:)
Firstly, the unit needs 300-400 hit points to last at least one round, and there's no guarantee that it will be there when needed, just as there's no guarantee that it will be attacked. In general, there are too many "ifs," and in a real game, the risk is very high, especially if the morale of the snakes is low :confused: Too risky, IMHO :eek:
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Wistan also can't capture the Fortress without Oil, even Tazar with Oil can only manage to trade his entire army from week 2 for 4 Angels.

However, I disagree with this – Neo has had a challenge on the Portal for a month: how to capture the Fortress on the Swamp with a level 9 Tazar without Oil and Hydras in the middle of week 2.
(The day before yesterday, I played a game in the season with Alone ekb, and on day 125, the question arose of capturing a Fortress with 3-4 Angels. It wasn't possible to upgrade the Earth magic, and there was nothing suitable in the area, and the opponent took my secondary town with 14 Elves, so I had to go all-in. I went in – and there was a maximum-level Fortress with upgraded defenses. I thought I was going to lose. However, the Fortress was captured. Tazar, level 9, 3-13-6-1, expert in Armor, Logistics, Advanced Attack, and Earth. 8 mana, Slow, Shield, Leather, Bless, and Lightning spells. Army: 41 gr. Lizards, 103 gr. Goblins, 9 gr. Basilisks, 5 Wyverns, 7+1+1 Dragonflies. After the capture, 37 Lizards, 50+ Goblins, and 4 Angels remained. There were a couple of morale drops for me, and no less for the Griffins. The Basilisks only froze the Royal Griffins once.
I propose a contest for the best tactics for capturing the Fortress with minimal losses. Here is the save file: http://slil.ru/26783934.) (c). Neoandy

I also tried it, and it can be done – and even a couple of Wyverns survive, but with a more well-thought-out method, not an extreme online one.

P.S. Sorry for the off-topic...
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