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Let the same Bilán try to sing for two hours in an incredibly fast tempo, and also rage on stage. He'd collapse.

Actually, he doesn't seem to be singing to a backing track (which is why he gets applause:smile12::smile12:)... Although, I can't imagine him running around on stage like a rocker.)

most of them can't sing live!) they don't have the vocal range... and when they sing along to a backing track, their voices are enhanced with the help of someone else.
and if they were to run and jump around, they would completely lose their voices.

Yes, people! Listen to the music itself! It's mostly beautiful! The lyrics simply ruin everything, of course... but if you turn on the music without the lyrics...

The music is beautiful?)) It's simple, and that's what makes it appealing. Yes, a simple, primitive melody with a "correct" (tuned to the human ear) balance of frequencies is perceived much better than something more technical. The popularity of pop music lies in its simplicity.

Although I can't imagine him running around on stage like a rocker.

Who, who?:D

Major Whirlwind!

Interestingly, the statement "... a simple, primitive melody ..." also applies to most of the works of most bands working in the metal genre (all styles of this musical direction are implied).

Sincerely,
Gur

Debilana is considered a national hero only by those who listen to this pop music... A national hero, huh... It would be better to remember the old ones... Otherwise, under the influence of pop music, no one will remember Alexander Nevsky, Kutuzov, or Zhukov - but they are the REAL HEROES!

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Gur, are most metal bands like that? Compared to pop music, even the simplest metal melody is incredibly complex... It's not just three notes! If "most," can you name at least 5?

Someone just wanted to express their "professional" opinion.
Naturally, this person is an excellent musician, and of course, playing a simple melody on a single bass guitar (for example) is just as difficult as playing a fast, complex piece with an ensemble.
Or maybe they just came here to stir up trouble ;)

No, early metal was indeed quite simple, but everything that came after the 80s has a rather complex structure. As for all the styles in general, it's nonsense; just look at progressive metal.

Otherwise, under the influence of pop music, no one will remember Alexander Nevsky, Kutuzov, or Zhukov – but here they are, HEROES!

I think I recently read or heard about another "pop" artist with the pseudonym Alexander Nevsky. Or maybe that's his real name.

Alexander Nevsky.

The Schwarzenegger of Russia.

Major Whirlwind!

Interestingly, the statement "... a simple, primitive melody ..." also applies to most of the works of most bands working in the metal genre (all styles of this musical direction are implied).

Sincerely,
Gur

The structure and complexity of any pop composition (I don't know how applicable the word "composition" is to pop music, but let's assume it is) cannot be compared to most of the compositions of most rock bands (including metal bands). One can, of course, call all metal primitive and simple music, arguing that Bach and Chopin played much better and "more complex," but why? And besides, we are mainly talking about more or less modern music.

P.S. Plus, one should not forget about such genres as progressive rock and metal, where there is really no hint of a primitive melody.

Bilan sings along to a backing track. I can prove it. Have you ever worked with a microphone? Just look – sometimes he holds the microphone out in front of him. Okay, let's assume that this sensitivity doesn't cause the speakers to produce feedback. But then he almost puts it in his mouth, and the sound doesn't change! Amazing! That's where interference would start. It's funny. By the way, try jumping like he does and holding a single note.
Gur, pardon me, have you ever listened to metal? If I may ask? I've been playing this music on guitar for years, so your statement seems a bit strange to me. He's not primitive. It takes a lot of knowledge of music theory and some talent to come up with something like that. Please justify your words. I'd like a few examples. Or is this a campaign to defend Bilan?

I've never heard anyone call the music of Elton John, Prince, or Sting primitive. But the relatively well-known (in certain circles) band Rammstein has about one and a half riffs and a solo that lasts three seconds. But they have a "fat" sound. Probably very un-primitive.

In general, it's strange to hear that the quality of music is judged by the complexity of its performance. For example, the Moonlight Sonata is studied in the early grades of music school. It's considered very simple. So, does that mean Beethoven is now a pop hack?

Honestly, it's depressing to even look at the shelves these days. Everything is the same. I listen to 95.2, but I'm not picky about genres; I can listen to anything, as long as it's good, whether it's Black Sabbath, Vivaldi, or Arabesque.

P.S. Judging by the previous posts, you have to bang your fingers on the strings to say a word here. Yes, I'm a musician. I think I understand the topic a little.

Rammstein is not known in narrow circles, and frankly, I'm sorry that they are known at all. Their solos are not even three seconds long, just three notes. I've said it many times, they are primitive. However, as far as I know, they are not metal.
In general, we were not talking about quality, but about primitiveness, and I didn't start this conversation. It's obvious that metal is not primitive, especially in our time.
Beethoven, by the way, showed that he could do complex things. Quality should be judged by the beauty of the composition. I don't see that in pop music, with the exception of ABBA.
You can only draw such a conclusion from my post. In general, no, to express an opinion, it is enough to have ears; it's just that a musician understands this better because he knows how it's done.

Whether someone is a musician or not is irrelevant. It's like saying that only a baker should be able to judge the taste of bread. And Rammstein isn't built solely on guitars; I'd say they rely on them the least. It's like accusing Kraftwerk of having poor guitar riffs.

Don't you think that it's easier for a musician to understand what's being played and to figure out what's complex and what's not?
The guitar parts in Rammstein's songs stand out the most. But there's not much to stand out about.