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Is it the same in Ubuntu? It looks so visually and functionally similar to Windows.
:smile52: It's the same in any Linux. The visual aspect isn't the system itself; it's just the interface, and it depends entirely on your imagination – you can change absolutely everything. No, by "everything," I don't mean changing the theme, visual effects, or cursor, as you're used to. You can change absolutely everything – as much as your imagination allows. The fact that Ubuntu looks similar to Windows is only because it needs to have some initial appearance. The Ubuntu maintainers made it resemble Windows to avoid scaring away users who are used to it.
As for the second part – regarding functionality, you're mistaken, and you don't even realize how much. You just couldn't see or compare its functionality based on its appearance.

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In terms of functionality, the settings of that graphical interface (like Gnome?) are very similar, and some of the settings options are also alike.

I decided to try FreeBSD, by the way :smile04: I doubt I'll even be able to install it.
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In terms of functionality, the settings of that graphical shell (like Gnome?) are very similar, and some of the settings are also similar.
This might be the case. True customization isn't just about menus and buttons...
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I decided to try FreeBSD, by the way :smile04: I don't even think I'll be able to install it.
Well. If you really want to, you can.
If you're willing to dig through, find, and reread a lot of information, not always in Russian. If you really want to - you'll figure it out and install it, even BSD. I have Gentoo installed - it took me a month (or more) to set it up the first time - I hadn't seen Linux before that either. Gentoo is a kind of mix of Linux and BSD. But the principle is the same - compiling and building the system from source code. But there are also easier ways - the path of least resistance - to use Ubuntu or Mandriva. You will also learn what Linux is, but it will happen much slower than in the case of BSD, Gentoo, Slackware, Arch, etc. ;)

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After the publication of one of the latest posts on this topic, I noticed that some people have shown a certain amount of interest:D

But first and foremost, these people are interested in the possibility of running games. So, to prove that it is possible to play games under Linux, I decided to tell you about something else – recently I came across an article reporting on one of the gaming distributions for Linux – yes, they exist, because this system can perform any task. There are also sets of scripts specifically designed to launch Windows games. Moreover, such a set can be installed on virtually ANY known Linux distribution.
That is, the system will support any game – both Windows (running on DirectX 9 – using DirectX 10 is not yet stable but is being developed quite rapidly) and Linux games.
You can even view a list of working Windows games and applications that can be used without problems.
And this is not the only such opportunity; there are others ;)

P.S. To be honest, I haven't tried this myself yet, but as soon as I do, I’ll let you know what happened :)

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I didn't find anything about HoMM 3 there :D
Apparently because it isn't there. And it isn't there because it already works, which I have already written about.
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Your favorite game, HoMM, will work under Linux – this has been verified through personal experience, and there are reasons to believe that any version of HoMM will work. To be honest, I haven't tested all versions, but the third and fourth games worked for me right away without any tricks.

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Hmm... maybe I should actually give it a try?
How much time does the average user need to set up Linux?

It depends on the distribution. A simple Linux distribution like Ubuntu (or any of its derivatives - Kubuntu, Xubuntu) can be set up in less than an hour - faster than XP. And you're less likely to have any driver issues. The only thing is, for Nvidia or ATI Radeon video cards, you'll need to install the drivers separately. They won't be included in the system because these cards require proprietary (closed-source) drivers, and this is prohibited in some countries. But these drivers are even easier to install than in Windows - the system will ask you if you want to install them. Also, the interface will initially be in English - the system will ask if you want to localize it if you chose Russian during installation.

Of the Ubuntu family, Kubuntu has the most advanced interface (the KDE graphical environment), while Ubuntu itself uses GNOME (also a serious graphical environment) - but both of these environments require quite a few resources (but not more than Vista :D). Xubuntu has the XFCE interface - a very lightweight, fast, and user-friendly interface.
And there's also Fluxbuntu (Fluxbox) - this is for those who want a very fast system, but you'll have to configure and install much more than in other systems in this family - it's good for getting to know Linux in more detail, because you'll have to do a lot of things yourself.
In any case, you can even install all these environments on one system and choose any of them when logging in, and also use applications from one environment while working in another.
There's also something called window and desktop animation - Compiz, Beryll. Windows users definitely haven't seen anything like that - the animation effects in Vista don't even come close. Burning flames or, for example, "rubber" windows - can Vista do that?

P.S. And for the truly hardcore, there's the path to "Slackware" or "Gentoo" :D - but it's only suitable for those who won't be discouraged by searching the internet for solutions to problems and reading a lot of information - but there, your imagination will have plenty of room to run wild :smile04:.

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but these drivers are even easier to install than in Windows - the system will ask if you want to install the drivers.
That's not true. After I found them, I learned that they still need to be installed, almost from the console.

And in general... most programs are written for Windows, including the best ones, and they cannot function properly under Linux.
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That's not true. After I found them, I learned that they also need to be installed, almost from the console.

That's true. Even if you don't have certain drivers, installing them is easier than in Windows. First, it's definitely easier to find them – you go to the distro's wiki, look at the documentation, and see which driver you need for your hardware. I don't think it's easier to find a driver for Windows, unless you have some exotic hardware. And what scared you so much? Is typing "sudo apt-get install nvidia" in the console and pressing Enter more difficult than doing a hundred things with the mouse? Besides, you don't necessarily have to do it from the console – there are also graphical utilities for these things, if that's more to your liking. I don't even know where you had to search and download drivers manually when Ubuntu connects to the nearest official repository and pulls the drivers from there.
By the way, what hardware didn't the driver install on?
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And in general... most programs are written for Windows, including the best ones...
Can you objectively judge this if you haven't seen programs for Linux? What is the best program in your opinion for Windows?
Please give an example.
...and they can't work fully under Linux.
That's right, why should Windows programs work under Linux if there are Linux programs? And I assure you, you can run any Windows program fully under Linux if someone really, really needs to. The question is, why? There's no denying that it applies to games, but first, you were talking about programs, and second, I wrote and posted a link – games can be launched.

P.S. However, I don't see the point in arguing about this – there are already a lot of materials written about it.

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That's true. Even if you don't have some drivers, it's easier to install them than in Windows. First of all, it's definitely easier to find them.
Typing something in the console is more difficult for many than performing a few manipulations with the mouse. It's not that easy to type a file name.
Easier to find? Drivers for Windows will definitely be on the official website of the program/software, but for Linux, they will be in a separate place, and it's not even a guarantee that they will be there.
There are also graphical utilities for such things, if that's more to your liking. I don't even know where you had to search and download drivers manually when Ubuntu connects to the nearest official repository and downloads drivers from there.
By the way, what hardware are you having trouble installing drivers for?
I'll look for utilities; I don't want to mess with the console right now.
The problem is that my network card is also Nvidia.
Actually, all the problems are with Nvidia.
Please provide an example.
Photoshop. Will that do?
Miranda. And even Linux users admit that there's nothing better. "Kopita" is not quite the same, and it's an order of magnitude, or even several times worse. I'm too lazy to look for links.
You can run any Windows program fully, if someone really, really needs to. The question is, why?
Not all programs work as they should under Wine, according to Linux users. Digging into the source code?
Why? If there's no alternative that I like better.

I'm just saying that Linux also has its drawbacks; it's not perfect either. And it's definitely not for the average user, but rather for the more experienced. But that's just my opinion.
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Is it easier to find? Drivers for Windows are guaranteed to be on the official website of the program/software, but for Linux, they are in a separate place, and it's not even certain that they will be there.

Should I list the hardware for which you won't be able to find drivers for XP? At least on the official website. You can find them on Chinese or Taiwanese websites – I don't think you'd go there, and I doubt you'd even think of looking there. I'm afraid such a list would be too long.
Besides, doesn't this look like an official website? If anything, I spent no more than half a minute searching for them. There's only one driver for the network card, which supports any Nvidia card.

I'll look for utilities; I don't want to mess with the console right now.
Go to the Ubuntu Wiki – there's an answer to any question you have.
The problem is that my network card is also Nvidia.
Actually, all the problems are with Nvidia.
That's why it's a problem – because the manufacturer of this hardware writes closed-source drivers, and they cannot be included in the distribution. If the manufacturer opened the technical specifications of their hardware, drivers would have been written and made open-source long ago.

Photoshop. Will it work?
Miranda. Even Linux users admit that there's nothing better. "Kopita" is not quite the same, and it's an order of magnitude, or even several times worse. I'm too lazy to look for links.
There are alternatives that are no worse than Miranda – you just haven't looked, have you? I knew it would turn out to be Photoshop – everyone's favorite example :smile52:. Are you a professional designer? Can't you do without Photoshop? And how many people like that do you know who can't? I'm sure that even if you use Photoshop, you don't know even 10 percent of all its tools. But, fact is fact, Photoshop doesn't work out of the box like in Windows, but it can be set up if it's really needed. And, as we can see, there are only a few such programs.

Not all programs work as they should under Wine, as Linux users say. Digging into the source code?
Why? If there's no alternative that I like more.

I'm just saying that Linux also has its drawbacks; it's not perfect either. And it's definitely not for ordinary users, but rather for experienced ones. But that's just my opinion.
I understand you. This is a well-established stereotype. It comes from long-term use of Windows. Switching from Windows to Linux is very difficult for most people because they are deeply rooted in it – they are very used to it. This is very sad. If a child who is using a computer for the first time is not shown Windows, they will master the computer under Linux much faster than under Windows. And at the moment, the situation is that 95 percent of users are constantly struggling with their computer; they can't properly configure Windows. We're just so used to it...

P.S. This is a flame war. I don't think it makes sense to continue. If a person is comfortable using Windows, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't. If it's difficult for them to type three words into Google and read a couple of pages, they won't be able to see what Linux is. But it's a big misconception to think that this is a problem with Linux.

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"http://linux.armd.ru/ru/news/gosspo/index.php?id110=101499"

By September 1, 2009-2010, free and open-source software (FOSS) packages should be installed in 54,000 Russian schools, and teachers should be trained.
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The installation of free software in Russian schools was a joint project of the Ministry of Education and Science and the Ministry of Communications and Information. In 2008, FOSS packages were installed in 1,107 schools in "pilot" regions. By their own initiative, 25 universities and more than 1,000 schools from more than 70 Russian regions joined them.

I thought it might be interesting for students to learn about this, in case anyone doesn't know.
And there seem to be many such people here.
Congratulations, fellow students:D

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