Cheating on Heroesworld (Offenders and penalties) — General

Oelm

11/18/2008 9:23 AM UTC

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I decided to start a thread about cheating and unfair play on Heroesworld, partly due to Paladin's posts. So, no one wants to play with someone caught cheating. Online gaming implies trust in your opponent. But cheating is like doping in sports – only a few get caught. Here are my suggestions for fair play principles on HeroesWorld: 1) Declare war on cheating and unfair play on HW. 2) Create a group of respected players (e.g., three) who will decide whether the fact of unfair play has been proven. 3) For proven unfair play and cheating, the punishment should be at least a disqualification from participating in HW tournaments for six months, removal of awards, and prize places in previously won tournaments. Possibly, a reduction in ranking points for the season. 4) To avoid re-registration by cheaters, set a threshold (e.g., 10 games in a season) for participation in tournaments. This is not necessary for well-known players who have not been caught cheating. 5) Consider a player's generally weak performance, but suspiciously accurate knowledge of the location of important objects and route selection as indirect evidence of unfair play

Paladin@heroes.by

11/22/2008 2:45 PM UTC

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I don't know where to write about this, but I've been putting up with it for a month, then another month, and I was about to write several times. But my patience has run out, and I'm writing not because I'm angry, although I am very angry, but to warn you. We have a rare [redacted] among us. His name is Felix. Unfortunately, he's from my hometown. But I know him personally, and my friends and comrades have suffered because of him. That's why I have the right to write. And the last straw was when I found out that he's still gambling and not paying his debts...
But let's go through it all in order.
1. Felix makes a good impression; apart from his sly eyes, I even liked him. I thought we could be cool friends, play together, and chat. He's quite smart, which allows him to deceive everyone.
2. [Redacted], he owes money to me, my friends, and comrades. Once, while playing at a club, he bet his phone on the game and left (with the phone, of course), saying he was going out for a smoke, and then he was gone. And not only that – he's still playing, and now his debts are growing online; he still hasn't paid them back.
3. Who can guarantee that such a [redacted] isn't cheating?
4. And how should we now treat his rating?
I'm just suggesting you listen to the advice of a wise old man who once told me: "Don't get involved with [redacted]."
Since he's from my hometown and he's still playing and not paying his debts, I felt it was my duty to warn you, respected players, many of whom I've already met and truly respect, not to waste your precious time and emotions on this pseudo-hero, Felix.
P.S. As a player, at the time when I knew him, he was terribly weak... even though he played a lot and even played while drunk, and he could have acquired skills. Since he's still messing with people's heads, I think he hasn't become a better player.

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Smoke_mk

11/22/2008 3:28 PM UTC

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If anyone still has doubts about Felix, I can post a very interesting video...

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Dirty_Player

11/22/2008 3:39 PM UTC

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Smoke_mk

If anyone still has doubts about Felix, I can post a very interesting video...

I still have some, although I had suspicions... Video, please!

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invisible

11/22/2008 3:55 PM UTC

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+1 regarding Felix. There are also saves from one of our games (the fifth one), where he finds Dragon Utopia very well, Dimension Door-ing right to the foot cell by cell. Many find own good things by Dimension Door-ing at random, but all this combined gives us the right to draw certain conclusions... Especially since in this particular game THAT SPECIFIC Dragon Utopia could have been noticed by moving one cell closer to the mountains (I think anyone would have done that in that situation). But why waste an extra move if you can just land in the Dragon Utopia anyway))). Not only did I analyze these saves, but several authoritative players did as well. I didn't analyze previous games with him (didn't save those saves either), but because I lost to him in all five games, I drew the corresponding conclusions and no longer play with him. If anyone needs them, I can provide the saves. I've heard from many players that Felix disappears mid-game, doesn't finish matches (presumably those already lost), and doesn't confirm his defeats. I could tell you much more, but I think everything is already clear about the aforementioned individual.

Я ламер и играть не умею, нах!:smile33:

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Dirty_Player

11/22/2008 4:06 PM UTC

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Actually, cheating and griefing are completely different things, and the former still needs to be proven!
But this made me laugh: D: D: D: D

Paladin@heroes.by

Once, while playing at a club, I put my phone on the table during the game and went outside (with the phone, of course) to have a smoke, and when I came back, it was gone.

:smile52:

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Paladin@heroes.by

11/22/2008 4:25 PM UTC

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Dirty_Player

Actually, cheating and unsportsmanlike behavior are completely different things, and the former still needs to be proven!
But this is what got me: D :D :D :D

:smile52:

Well, you see, because he's in debt, he puts his phone on the table, doesn't pay, and runs away with the phone (it's not really his phone anymore, he pawned it to get money for the game, and he even brought the charger, though I'm not sure about that). And how does this remind you of unconfirmed reports and disappearing during a game? Now you've experienced it yourself. I can't say for sure that he's a cheater, but he's a weak player who beats strong players... and the funniest thing is, knowing how many "sins" he has, he comes here and boldly cuts you down left and right, as if he's mocking you. And it will continue like this.

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Loi

11/22/2008 5:47 PM UTC

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Hey, Felix, are you going to answer?
Our dear leader of the ranking!
The Paladin's word carries weight; he enjoys well-deserved authority on many resources!
And your silence tells us a lot...

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SEM_56

11/23/2008 2:03 PM UTC

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I agree with Pavel, everything should be limited to 5 points...
This post was created partly because of me. In yesterday's game, I used a town portal because my opponent was near a castle, and I didn't have time to get back to my capital (the Guildhall 4 wasn't built). Pavel and I resolved the situation; I acknowledged my mistake and conceded defeat. I also apologized to him personally and offer my apologies publicly...

The situation that is developing on the World portal doesn't make me very happy. Because even strong players cheat a little. And the guys who are new to the portal don't dare to upload their saves because of the authority of other players. This situation has affected me several times, so I suggest introducing equality and mutual respect, which is lacking towards newcomers and guys who have only been members of our Heroes World portal for a couple of months!!!!!!!!

Ушел с героев, пока пряники)

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ewgeniy

11/23/2008 2:15 PM UTC

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If anyone still has doubts about Felix, I can post a very interesting video...

I would also like to see it and find out what kind of video it is.

So, will you answer, Felix? Our dear leader of the ranking?
The Paladin's word carries weight; he enjoys well-deserved authority on many resources!
And your silence tells us a lot...

Let's not get too worked up – I just sent Felix the topic in a private message – we're waiting for his comments. Remember, authority is one thing, but without proof, it's not worth making sweeping statements like "cheater" – because you might be wrong.

And one more thing – please try to avoid insults – this isn't a debate...

Клан"Homo Homini":smile19: Полезные ссылки:smile01:

В. Уэйтс©

Но поскольку я нищий,
у меня лишь есть мечты.
Я разостлал свои мечты пред вашими ногами.
Ступайте бережно, ибо вы ступаете по моим мечтам.

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Феликс

11/23/2008 2:35 PM UTC

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oOo... it's all almost true! =) I don't deny it, and many on HeroesWorld know my story — I didn't even change my nickname!! because I despise many (not all, but many) people who turned Heroes into a way to make money, and that's exactly what it is! As for my cheating, it still needs to be proven — you can blame anyone. Well, on the portal, everyone's bones have already been picked clean =) And my cheating comes down to luck, since I don't play much — most games I won, so to speak, for free =))) and Scorp, by reviewing my games, can confirm this =) Respectfully, Kisa…

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Дубровин Павел

11/23/2008 2:56 PM UTC

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At the moment, I've played 7 games with Felix. I won four times and lost twice. In one game, when Felix chose Art and failed to break through the defenses, even though he could have done so without any losses, I refused to register the game.
Naturally, I analyzed the games I lost (2).
Objectively speaking, I didn't find anything that would suggest Felix is a cheater, or anything that couldn't be explained intuitively.

If we set aside the specific individual, I would certainly like to see fewer players who deliberately deviate from the principle of fair play, and that strict measures be taken against them.

С истиной где-то рядом...

Лето 2010.

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Феликс

11/23/2008 2:59 PM UTC

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invisible

+1 regarding Felix. There are also saves from one of our games (the fifth one), where he finds Dragon Utopia very well, Dimension Door-ing right to the foot cell by cell. Many find tasty things by Dimension Door-ing at random, but all this together gives us the right to draw some conclusions... Especially since in this particular game THAT VERY Dragon Utopia could have been noticed by moving one cell closer to the mountains (I think anyone would have done that in that situation). But why waste an extra move if you can just land in the Dragon Utopia anyway))). Not only did I analyze these saves, but several authoritative players did too. I didn't analyze previous games with him (didn't save those saves either), but because I lost to him in all five games, I drew corresponding conclusions and no longer play with him. If anyone needs them, I can provide the saves. I've heard from many players that Felix disappears mid-game, doesn't finish matches (apparently those already own losses), and doesn't confirm his defeats. I could tell you much more, but I think everything is already clear about the aforementioned individual.

Which games of mine didn't I confirm? Links!!! Give me the saves =) I've lost to many, and does that mean they are also dishonest players and others were also kicked out, so from that it happened to everyone more than once! But for some reason, I take a simpler view of this! I lost 6 times to AlexTheGreat and nothing helped me, not even a miracle damn it =)

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Феликс

11/23/2008 3:03 PM UTC

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Dubrovin Pavel

At the moment, I've played 7 games with Felix. I won four times and lost twice. In one game, when Felix chose Art and failed to break through the guard, even though he could have done so without any losses, I deliberately refused to register the game.
I, of course, analyzed the games that I lost (2).
Objectively speaking, I didn't find anything that would suggest Felix is a cheater, or anything that couldn't be explained intuitively.

If we abstract from the specific candidate, then, of course, I would like it if there were no players who deliberately deviate from the principle of fair play, and strict measures would be taken against them.

and that was with a flight due to a lack of knowledge of the rules at the time =), I would have won 100% =(

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