A program for determining luck/morality in Heroes 3! — Offline tournaments.

Монца

18 years ago

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to VDV, for which versions should the patch be available? Currently, it is available for SOD 4.0 RU, SOD 3.2 EN. There are no patches for versions SOD 4.0 EN and SOD 3.2 RU. Is it allowed to play on English versions in HW tournaments? Should patches be made?

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Dirty_Player

18 years ago

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I think that once the patch is finalized, we should quickly organize a small test tournament to give it a good run-through before the World Cup...

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Kyle

18 years ago

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Dirty_Player;191787

I think, once the patch is finalized, we should quickly organize a small tournament to test it out and have time before the World Cup...

You're right. :)
Will you be able to take on the organization?
We'll all thank you. :)

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Dirty_Player

18 years ago

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Monza;191786

to VDV, for which versions should the patch be available?
Currently, it's available for SOD 4.0 ru, SOD 3.2 en. There are no patches for versions SOD 4.0 en and SOD 3.2 ru. Is it allowed to play on English versions in HW tournaments? Should we create patches?

Of course, it's worth it! I don't even want to play the Russian version! And it has always been possible to play the English versions for the reason that if foreigners want to participate (theoretically), we shouldn't force them to look for the Russian version!

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Kyle;191788

You're right. :)
Can you take on the organization?
We'll all thank you. :)

No problem. I'll take a random map and generate it.

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VDV_forever

18 years ago

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Monza;191786

to VDV, for which versions should the patch be available?
Currently, it is available for SOD 4.0 ru, SOD 3.2 en, but not for versions SOD 4.0 en and SOD 3.2 ru. Is it allowed to play on English versions in HW Tournaments? Should we create patches?

According to the official tournament rules:

1.2. Tournaments are held on the Russian version of Heroes 3: The Shadow of Death with patch 3.2.

Therefore, a patch needs to be created for the Russian version.

On the other hand, no one has yet identified any differences between the Russian and English versions, and there are probably people who play on the English version.

I think that with this program + patch, the organizers will be able to identify such people!
But what if half of them are playing on the English version?:eek:
Maybe we should allow playing on the English version of Heroes 3 with patch 3.2? Question for the organizers.

Dear Monza, AlexSPl, could you create one constructive post that includes the program + patch + detailed instructions for use.

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Dirty_Player;191787

I think that once the patch is approved, we should urgently organize a small test tournament to test it before the World Championship...

You speak the truth! I think a map from the standard set, size S, would be suitable for this. The goal is to defeat the enemy in the shortest possible time. I can select a map.

Sincerely, VDV_forever

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Dirty_Player

18 years ago

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VDV_forever;191794

According to the official tournament rules:

1.2. Tournaments are held on the Russian version of Heroes 3: The Shadow of Death with patch 3.2.

So, we are removing this rule from now on! If not, there can be no talk of any organization on my part!

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VDV_forever;191794

You speak the truth! I think a map from the standard set, size S, would be suitable for this. The goal is to defeat the enemy in the shortest possible time. I can choose the map.

The map is a minor issue :)

Монца

18 years ago

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Some notations:
Russian version of SoD - SoD32ru
Russian version of Platinum - SoD40ru
English version of SoD - SoD32en
English version of Platinum - SoD40en
I suggest we use this terminology in the future to avoid misunderstandings and confusion.
What currently separates us from the patch:
1. Animation fix in the hero viewing window.
The changes are different for each version.
Ready for SoD40ru.
Partially ready for SoD32en (I don't have this version, so I can't check it accurately, but AlexSpl does).
Not ready for SoD40en (I don't have this version).
Not ready for SoD32ru (I can't seem to update my SoD31ru to SoD32ru; I installed the Bukov version of SoD31ru, and after installing the official patch, the game version remains 31; I tried both the 30to32 and 31to32 patches).
2. Separating the "ones" (not critical).
The situation is similar.
3. Naga-bank fix. Completely ready.
The same change for all versions.
It's unclear whether to include it or not.
4. Animation reset.
The same change for all versions. Completely ready.
Two versions with the option to choose: accelerated and normal.
5. Description of the number of creatures (not critical).
The changes are different for each version.
Again, I don't have all versions of the game.

I think it's best not to release any versions of the patch yet so that they don't get passed around and cause confusion. As soon as I get answers to the questions: Do we need to support 4 versions of the game? Is the Naga-bank fix needed? Is the creature description needed? Is separating the "ones" needed? I will release the finished patch.
Currently, the task is complicated by the fact that I don't have the SoD32en and SoD40en versions. If anyone has these versions and can somehow send them to me (via Russian Post!), that would be great (you can upload them somewhere). I found SoD32en on one of the Heroes communities and will try to download it, but I don't know where to get SoD40en.
Also, please tell me if anyone knows how to update my SoD31ru version to SoD32ru.
Also, I very much ask the moderators to create a separate thread about the patch, possibly with a vote - we have been discussing the patch's content for quite a long time, but we haven't actually decided anything.

Kamikaze

18 years ago

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Could you allow playing the English version of Heroes 3 with patch 3.2? Question for the organizers.

:D Come on, who prohibited it? I think there are at least half as many players using the original version of The Shadow of Death!

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Dirty_Player

18 years ago

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Monza;191857

Not ready for the SoD40en version (This version is not available).

I know where to get it! If you have unlimited internet, write to me in a private message, as links of this kind are prohibited on the forum

Kamikaze;191892

:D come on, who prohibited it. I think there are at least half as many players playing the original version of The Shadow of Death!

+1

AlexSpl

18 years ago

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Traffic Light of Morality and Luck (v0.7)

Instructions are in the "Help" menu.

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Senatоr

18 years ago

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AlexSpl

Now, time won't need to be wasted on "catching" luck and morale. Instead, it will be much more useful to calculate the move tree. And if morale appears, that's good; if it doesn't, well, that's okay. At least the player will be sure that by repeating the moves, morale will never appear after an elf attack, for example, if it didn't appear the first time.

I would like to clarify... When using only the modified cranium, the appearance/non-appearance of morale for the desired unit can be changed by any action (wait/defense/attack/movement to different cells). As a result, a move tree is created. But it's huge! And in each round, there are many options for selecting morale/luck for the desired unit. And battles will still be generated, and a lot of precious time will be spent.

Is it possible to make battles linear with a patch? So that morale appears in each round only for a specific unit under any circumstances.

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Dirty_Player

18 years ago

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Senatоr;192141

Is it possible to make battles linear using a patch? So that morale drops in each round only for a specific unit under any circumstances.

I think this is unnecessary. Let the battles be generated randomly, but the organizer (as well as anyone who wants) should be able to reproduce such a battle, instead of acting like Anton and saying: "cheater" or "tryhard".

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VDV_forever

18 years ago

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Monza;191857

As soon as I receive answers to the following questions: Do we need to support 4 versions of the game? Is a fix for the Naga Bank needed? Is a description of creatures needed? Is it necessary to separate the versions? I will release the finished patch.

Currently, a poll has been created regarding the versions of Heroes 3, based on which the versions of Heroes that can be played will be definitively approved. But most likely, all the versions of Heroes you mentioned will be approved.;)

A fix for the Naga Bank is not needed;
a description of creatures is not needed;

At this stage, it is necessary that the patch solves only one problem:
100% repeatability of battles, taking into account the random occurrence of morale/luck/abilities (there should be no randomness).:smile01:
As soon as such a patch is ready, it will need to be tested, and also run in one of the mini-tournaments;)

Sincerely, VDV_forever

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Alex_R

18 years ago

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Message from Monza:
As soon as I receive answers to the following questions: Do we need to support 4 versions of the game? Is a fix for the Naga Bank needed? Is a description of creatures needed? Is it necessary to separate the first versions? I will release the finished patch.

Definitely for online (and possibly for offline)

1) Fix for the Naga Bank - needed;
In my opinion, logically, the Naga Bank SHOULD give "Gems" (I can't remember which version, "Restoration of Erathia," "Armageddon's Blade," or "Chronicles," the Naga Bank gave these "Gems").

2) Description of creatures - not necessary, but nice to have;

3) Support for 4 versions of the game - if possible, all 4