Mini-Tournament "For Sale" — Tournament history (offline)

Ley

18 years ago

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2 SEM_56: Despite having a good understanding of the online game, you can still rush things. But the offline game isn't real-time... How much time did you spend on completing it?

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AmberSoler

18 years ago

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That's basically how it was; you upgrade the snipers and go to the barricades. You say you buy 8 heroes, but it's hard to see how they broke through the dwarves and spearmen, and then captured the Castle...

Snipers can break through anyone; it's just that at the end of the turn, the hero who has already moved gives his troops to a fresh hero, who runs in another direction, clears everything, and passes it on to the next... not that he passes it on himself, but special runners are hired – those who have the maximum movement points at the start (Pasis, Pyre, Dessa, Gunnar, Kirre)... Ciele with the mana-boosting hat can even go with just one sniper; she has magic like a cannon, she doesn't need troops... but you need to spend the night with the fastest troops so that the next day you have the maximum movement points... and a bunch of other things... :) this is purely a technical game, focused on efficient gameplay – squeezing the maximum out of the available situation...

SEM_56;186889

Yes, I received a huge slap in the face with these results...
Apparently, for me, this is just a game, and I still don't know much about the heroes...

Well, you shouldn't take the situation so seriously... ;) you were just playing on unfamiliar territory and, frankly, according to unfamiliar rules... after all, the technique for speedrunning must be developed through practice... if you play a little, read detailed descriptions from players who will post them here later, everything will fall into place...

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Maybe my result is even laughable...

well, so far, no one has burst from laughter, as you can see... join in! :)

SEM_56

18 years ago

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Overall, I spent about 4-5 hours on the playthrough. It's a bit short, but I didn't have more time...

Ley

18 years ago

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And Inviz is being rather modest... :-). Also, it's incredibly interesting to know who and how exactly managed to break through the defenses and defeat the Titans?

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Andrey44_44

18 years ago

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To Dmitriy AS.
Just opened your saves and immediately guessed from Bron, sitting in the boat, that the Seer did indeed give 8888 gold. :(
And my flawed scouting said that there wasn't any. Already at the beginning of the game, such a blunder.

The Seer gives 8888 gold to any hero with 6 defense skill, on the first day of the game, plus you need to visit him. I got closest to this with Gelu (I got 6 defense on the first day), but no matter how hard I tried, I still didn't have enough movement points (i.e., I could still take one more step in that direction, but diagonally to reach the Seer, it just wasn't possible).
If anyone can describe this moment, I would be grateful, as I've been struggling with it for a week.

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AmberSoler

18 years ago

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Andrey44_44;186898

The Seer gave 8888 gold to any hero with 6 defense experience on the first day of the game, plus you had to visit him. I got closest to this with Gelu (I got 6 defense on the first day), but no matter how hard I tried, I still didn't have enough movement points (i.e., I could still take one step in a straight line, but diagonally to reach the Seer, it was impossible).
If anyone can describe this moment, I would be grateful, as I've been struggling with it for a week.

There's a wonderful hero class called Beastmaster... It's no coincidence that Brona was mentioned; they start with 4 defense units... As an alternative, it's easier to level that up to 6. Gelu really didn't have enough movement points. The author is hilarious... :D

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VDV_forever

18 years ago

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I'm very sorry that I couldn't participate in the tournament. Unfortunately, I have a catastrophic lack of time. Bravo, vbn! I took the time to play two battles using the save files you posted, thank you! You have once again proven that you are one of the strongest players on the internet; honor and praise to you. It would be very interesting to read your description of the playthrough, not only as a player who took first place, but also as a player who can think more deeply (and broadly). Well done to the organizers! Sincerely, VDV_forever

Кирилл - завоеватель

18 years ago

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PLEASE TELL ME!! How did BRON appear in the boat? Was it right away?

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Senatоr

18 years ago

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TELL ME, PLEASE!! How did BRON appear on the boat??? Immediately?

Gem summons the boat, and Bron gets on it.

Andrey44_44;186898

The Seer gave 8888 gold to any hero with 6 defense experience on the first day of the game, after visiting him. Gelu was the closest to this (I got 6 defense on the first day), but no matter how hard I tried, I still didn't have enough movement points (i.e., I could still take one step in that direction, but not diagonally to reach the Seer).
If anyone can describe this moment, I would be grateful, as I've been struggling with it for a week.

You could also use Vistan. To get 6 defense, it's enough to reach level 3 - for example, by completing a 1500 experience chest and defeating the dwarves. I preferred him over Bron because of his ranged attack skill, as after casting a spell, with a small group of snipers, he could defeat the dwarves and the medusa lair. In 3 days, Vistan alone could collect all the resources at the bottom of the map.

In general, choosing the right heroes is probably the key to success in offline mode. I didn't know that there were heroes with the initial spell to summon a boat; I had to go around and only reach the water on the 3rd day. :( From vbn's saves, I learned that a hero like the Dragon with one mage can be very useful ;)

The result in the top ten was very pleasing :) It was worth all the effort. But there are still many offline tricks to learn. In the next tournaments...

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Перполькен

18 years ago

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Hello everyone! First of all, congratulations to the winners: VBN, DmitriyAS, and invisible!:smile20: A score of 2 days and 187,121,86 crystals is impressive, especially for the first two. The results were largely as predicted; the top two were as I expected, but I thought Eldgernon would be third. Invisible surprised me (online play is a good teacher:smile19:)! A huge thank you to Kasten for the map! Unfortunately, I didn't have much time to consider several options:smile05:. I only considered one: Day 1: I opened the treasure room, the medusa lair, and the fortune teller's hut (Jel). I didn't go into the water, and I didn't open the canned goods. Day 2: I opened the demon pit, killed 1 devil, took 22 ogres, captured the blue castle, killed 2 devils, and took 99 mercury. I sold the rest of my army and killed the titans with Yanov (level 3, no magic, 1 sorcerer, 2 silver pegasus, 3 centaurs, 25 snipers). After the battle, I had 11 snipers left, and I used them to open the cyclops lair. That's basically it for the 2 days, 42 crystals. I understood that the path of collecting crystals wasn't the best, so I didn't expect to place higher than 5th, but as expected, I still made it into the top 10. Goodbye, until next time!:) Sincerely, Perpolken.

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AmberSoler

18 years ago

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Gem summons the boat, but Bron boards it.

Generally, summoning a boat on maps often involves multi-step procedures. The problem is that simply hiring Gem may not be enough to summon the boat – she knows the spell, but she can only summon it if there is at least one friendly boat on the map... Often, there are no boats on the map (as was the case on this map), and only a hero with advanced water magic can summon it (creating a boat out of thin air, so to speak), but he doesn't know the "Summon Boat" spell! :D A third hero is needed – a student who learns the spell from Gem and then teaches the water mage...

Only after these somewhat simple manipulations can the boat be summoned... Therefore, having eight heroes on the first day is not a luxury, but a means of transportation... :D

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Andrey44_44

18 years ago

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Perpolken;186910

On the 1st day, I opened the hut of the soothsayer (Jelu).

Is this the one who gives 8888 gold?
If so, please provide the steps on how you managed to do it?

Eldgernon

18 years ago

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After the results were published, I somehow stopped being satisfied with my walkthrough.:) When the first more or less working variant took shape in my mind, I immediately set about testing it. Though it's now clear that much more time should be devoted to scouting and leveling up options. And it's advisable to look at things "more broadly." But here, it's a matter of how much each person is given from birth. I'm not sure I would have arrived at such a spectacular and filigree variant as vbn:cool: even after six months of studying the map. For example, giving Grokh Water Walk:eek: (and passing him around, from hand to hand, across the entire map) or deliberately structuring my walkthrough to finish by capturing the Barbarian Castle and there donating all the troops for Gems.
But at least the basics, at least the options of embarking on water and speeding up at the Griffin Conservatory's spring, should certainly have been found. For that, a solid failing grade.
The only thing I'm still pleased with is that I found a way to take Grokh on day one without the Griffin Conservatory.

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AmberSoler

18 years ago

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For example, giving Thunder to water:eek: (and passing it around, from hand to hand, across the entire map) or deliberately structuring your walkthrough so that it ends with taking a Barbarian castle and there handing over all troops for gems.

So, where is the walkthrough description lying around? I seem to have missed it...

Eldgernon;186917

But at least the basics, at least the options with landing on water and speed-boosting at the Griffin Conservatory's spring, should certainly have been found.

That's only for the first time... In the next tournament, such options will already be familiar and used during scouting...

And in general, if you have the time and desire — here's a good practice guide on walkthrough technique:

Blitz tournament — many of today's players participated in it... it will be useful to play and then compare your results with the winners' schemes provided there.

WhiteLizard

18 years ago

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Hey everyone! I haven't been on this forum since the evening of the 21st, so I missed the discussion, but when I logged in, I saw that some guy was bragging about completing a tournament map in 2 days! Well, naturally, I chuckled at this fantasist – ha! As if anyone could beat my record of 20 days and 3 gems)). But then, just out of curiosity, I downloaded his save file… I sat there for 3 minutes with my mouth open until drool started dripping onto the keyboard and I got shocked… YEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!! That was the first coherent word I managed to say back then, but the neighbors started banging on the pipes, and I had to sit in SHOCK in silence. I completed the map in 2 evenings, and the result is 20 days. This suggests a simple logic: whoever finished it in 2 (!) days must have played the map for 20 REAL days!!!!!! This dude is amazing! My congratulations to him... well, as from a master who plays at the same level)). Here’s what I’ll say – those guys who set such records clearly possess three qualities: - Tactical thinking - Willpower for $$$ victory - And once again, thinking!!!!! I'm still impressed... P.S.: Can someone tell me where I can find out what place I took? In other words, where is the results table? Please let me know... P.S.2: - And once again, thinking!!!!!

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