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Better late than never, so I am announcing registration for the tournament

SEASONS, spring 2008 season

  1. The tournament is held on Platinum version 4.0 (playing on version 3.2 is permitted), via Hamachi.
  2. The tournament is seasonal; 2 game seasons will be held during the year (spring and autumn), meaning we will have separate winners for the seasons, and an absolute champion of the year will be determined based on the results of both seasons.
  3. Tournament participants must register in this thread; to do so, you need to declare your desire to participate and provide your ICQ number.
  4. Table of registered tournament participants:

    No.NickICQ-UIN
    01Nagan-4452-003-755
    02RAPER422-962-546
    03vbn252-O39-393
    04GRAMM421-057-869
    05Uran484-056-100
    06Dudge144-060-433
    07HYVET381-440-095
    08ewgeniy375-572-427
    09invisible472-101-962
    10Cheri@474-758-648
    11Rhox Pit - In sake of LM413-405-122 471-401-475
    12Bob I.121-998-526
  5. All games in the tournament will be 1x1, on duel maps.
    - Just before the start of the tournament, a series of maps (75*75) will be posted, some of which will be used for the tournament. Difficulty 200%
  6. Tournament system: a maximum of 12 players will be divided into four groups of 3 people; each player will play one game with the other players in their group, totaling 2 games. For a win in each game, the participant is awarded 3 rating points (RP). The 2 players who score the most RP advance to the quarterfinals, where they are divided into 2 groups of 4 players. Two people from each of the two groups advance to the semifinals. And the winners meet in the final.
  7. All achievements will be reflected in a rating table, which will indicate: player nick, their place, number of RP, number of games played, and number of wins.
  8. Disputed points related to an equal number of RP are resolved by comparing the total skills of the final heroes in the game and through additional games (whereas in the semifinals and finals, only via additional games). No RP are awarded for additional games, but they will be reflected in the table in the columns for games played and wins.
  9. Race draw: Conflux is excluded (however, if you happen to encounter a Conflux in the game, you may develop it, with the exception of building the university and buying or developing a Conflux hero); 8 races remain. Each player is given the opportunity to choose which town they will play in a specific game, provided that one race can be played only once per season.
    The organizer will conduct a draw in pairs in advance using a special program to determine the red and blue player in each pair.
    A player must notify the organizer of their choice of town at least 24 hours before the game, as well as choose a hero. Playing with identical towns is permitted; if a situation arises where players also chose identical heroes, the organizer reserves the right of first choice for the red player.
  10. The draw for the town in additional games is conducted according to the "traditional scheme," i.e., participants take turns (starting with red) naming the towns they would not like to play, and eventually, players choose a town to play from the remaining 3 towns. Such a draw is conducted online, either in the mini-chat on our resource or via ICQ; the presence of the tournament organizer is mandatory for this.
  11. ATTENTION TO REGULAR TOURNAMENT PLAYERS: starting this year, a new principle for choosing the map on which the game will take place is introduced: players determine the map themselves by "crossing out" from the list of maps attached to the post. First, players cross out those maps they have already played on within this tournament; then, starting with red, they take turns crossing out one map at a time from the remaining list until only one remains—the game will take place on that last map (if no maps remain after crossing out those already played, the crossing out starts over from the full list of maps). Red creates the game and must make a save of the first day (to verify the authenticity of the map if necessary). To resolve disagreements promptly, before a presumed winning battle, the player must make a save and send it to the organizer. (Saves must be kept until you are sure that this game has been counted). Also, each player in a pair must provide a report of victory/defeat in a special thread within 2 days after the game according to an approximate scheme:
    Player1 (Castle, starting hero, hero who became main) def Player2 (Castle, starting hero, hero who became main) date of victory

    Example and template for convenience:

    Player1 (Tower, Nella, Tazar) def Player2 (Dungeon, Shakti, Shakti) 133

    Built titans on the 1st week in Castle, plus off-map titans, plus Tazar, so I was able to break the Dragon Utopia on the 2nd week, then opened 4 cans (2,1,3,4), arrived with 10 angels and won!

    thanks for the game!
    In case of connection loss or game crash, the last auto-save is loaded. Players are required to exactly repeat all their moves up to the moment of connection loss or single crash.
  12. PROHIBITED:
    • attacking the opponent during the first 8 days
    • red attacking on the first day of the week with offspring born on that day
    • choosing: Sir Mullich, Adele, Roland, Solmir, Kira, Aislin, Tant, Isra, Vidomina, Alamar, Jedit, Deemir. If these heroes come to you in a game, you may use them only until their level increases by 2 compared to what it was at the moment of acquisition. Upon reaching this barrier, you are required to delete the hero before the end of your turn
    • selling artifacts above their real value.
    • recruiting neutral units (except games on the Desert_Tour map), digging for the grail
  13. Turn duration limit is 4 minutes.
  14. One round of games will last 1 week, i.e., during this time players must play 1 game; games should be arranged in a special thread, and both players must post their agreement with the given time. The time must be coordinated with the organizer. If for any reason you cannot play at the agreed time, you must notify your opponent at least 24 hours in advance—not just by writing a private message or email, but by receiving notification that they have received your message.
    If a player does not play the game within a week, a technical defeat is awarded to them. If a situation arises where a player was forced to miss a game due to the opponent's fault, a victory is awarded to them and a technical defeat to the culprit.
    In case of failure to appear for the game at the appointed time, a technical defeat is recorded for the player. A delay of no more than 60 min is permitted.
  15. If you see that the game is hopeless—do not torture your opponent and agree to the loss.
  16. Winners for the seasons and the absolute champion based on two seasons will be awarded medals under their avatars, as well as t-shirts with the ХВ logo (in the winner's size).
  17. All disputed points are decided by the organizer, so I ask you to notify them of such occurrences promptly.
  18. For violation of rules in the game, a technical defeat will be given; for cheating (which is obviously prohibited)—permanent disqualification
  19. The organizers reserve the right to make any changes to the rules in case of unforeseen/force majeure situations.

Starting groups
GROUP № 1
Nagan-4
Uran
Bob I
GROUP № 2
RAPER
Dudge
ewgeniy
GROUP № 3
vbn
HYVET
GRAMM
GROUP № 4
invisible
Rhox
Cheri@

You can find out who your opponent is here /topic/at/174891/
Reports should be written here /topic/4200/

This tournament is official.
Registration applications for the tournament and questions about its conduct should be left in this thread.
In reply to Аделаида
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18 years ago
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I'll reply right here.
I really wanted three mage heroes to appear on the first day, and that's what happened, but then I wanted to develop a warrior, which never happened (only mages kept appearing).
In the first game, I had a level 1 hero and Nagas in the Citadel (I ran out of stone throughout the game).
In the second game, I had Djinns, a Castle, Golden Bow, and Lightning Bolt at 230 – I wanted to go fight, but somehow I got distracted and didn't properly assemble my army, so I didn't reach my opponent.
I built a Chain and Art, immune to Lightning, and again, I got distracted for 2 turns and couldn't break through (the first turn, there was nothing to attack; the second turn, I killed a scout and wanted to attack a ship, but it only took some damage... probably due to a mine).
With a Chain dealing 600 damage, I wanted to take down my opponent; I almost reached him, but I was afraid he would break through my Titans and take my almost empty Castle. I got distracted again; with my father, the Castle definitely wouldn't have been taken because of the Chain (but I should have sent another mage there). And my opponent went to attack his own Titans)))
In the end, I lost almost a week because my father kept going back and forth...
And in the final, Mephala's tactics decided the outcome; otherwise, the Chain would have destroyed everyone.
Thanks for the game.
Respect to my opponent (I hope we meet again in this championship)
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18 years ago
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Cheri@ vs Pit - for the sake of LM
Let's play on May 12th, from 9 PM Moscow time.
Map - 5.Boomerang.
Cheri@ plays as Elves, Elshara.
I play as Barbarians, Gurnisson.
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Pit - In sake of LM;176094
Cheri@ vs Pit - in sake of LM
Let's play on May 12th, from 9 PM Moscow time.
Map - 5.Boomerang.
Cheri@ plays as Elves, Elshara.
I play as Barbarians, Gurnisson.
Confirmed, I hope everything goes well tomorrow.
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18 years ago
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We didn't receive a decision from the organizers regarding the replacement of Rhox with Pit – for the sake of LM. But nevertheless, we already played a match:). We hope for a positive response ;)

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I would like to clarify the rules: I couldn't find anything about hit-and-run tactics. Is it not FORBIDDEN?!
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I would like to clarify the rules: I couldn't find anything about hit-and-run tactics. Is it not FORBIDDEN?!
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That's all from me! Sorry, I just had a lot to say...
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18 years ago
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Pit - For the sake of LM, thank you for your application, you are a participant in the tournament, good luck!
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Okay, let's discuss, I've also got some things pent up here.
2 loi, do you remember Dirty_Player's post verbatim????? It went roughly like this: old Slavic rules, where did you copy the rules from? Do you consider this a constructive comment? That one should listen to this? What useful thing can I take away from that post for myself? I'll answer just in case: the rules were not copied and were assembled by me bit by bit from many regulations, and some points are used anew; I spent quite a while working on this regulation, and by writing such a post you only offended me, and that's it — it carries no practical benefit. This tournament is not being held for the first time, and I adjust the regulations each time, but I definitely was not and am not planning to radically change its concept. Dirty_Player's post expresses dissatisfaction with the rules in general, and therefore it would be more appropriate for this player not to participate in this tournament, so as not to play under the old Slavic rules and not fray my nerves. I am very worried about you with your delicate state of mind, that you perceive a sober answer that it's better for you not to play in this tournament as a personal insult and then say that I sent you away, which is essentially untrue. I hope you didn't expect me to persuade you, beg you? We are all mostly adults and can make our own decisions, but participating through reluctance and doing someone a favor usually leads to techs; we already have many of them, and it's better not to play in the tournament at all than to breed techs. I studied the rules of the online HeroesWorld to understand what is so old Slavic about mine; so far I only see that those rules are more voluminous, and that is only because they are for random games, while my rules are significantly shorter because many aspects are regulated on the map itself. (I'll say right away about hidden range — yes, it is not forbidden; we played with it for 2 seasons, and no one has been against it within the framework of the Seasons, but this can be discussed separately; it can also be banned).
Finally, I'll make you happy: this is my last tournament on Heroes 3 online.
And loi, you are not a good person; it dawned on me how you dissuaded players from signing up for the tournament, conducted subversive activities, hindered the progress of an OFFICIAL tournament, and I want to inform you that I am not only a "lady commandant" but also the coordinator of this resource.
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Adelaide;176219
it went something like this: the rules are Old Slavic, where did you copy the rules from? Do you consider this a constructive remark? That one should listen to this?
And why not? Is it bad that at least someone cares about what is written there?
Adelaide;176219
and therefore it is more appropriate for this player not to participate in this tournament, so as not to play under the unfortunate Old Slavic rules and not to get on my nerves.
Actually, I don't like playing online, but since offline on HeroesWorld has died out, where else can I go?

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Nagan-4;175975
We talked to Uran. The map is Universal commander, I'm blue.
I'll take Rampart, and my hero will be Yanova. If my opponent takes the same Castle and the same hero, then my choice will be Ivor. In general, there's no point in hiding the Castle.
We'll play on Friday at 9:30 PM.
I will be playing as Shakti.
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Dirty_Player, you can hope for that, but don't flatter yourself; my authority and its removal from you are not related in any way.
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And loi, you are not a good person.
I believe that personal attacks in a discussion are inappropriate and I will not succumb to provocations, don't even try to persuade me. I can only offer compliments to a lady.
... discouraged players from signing up for the tournament, engaged in subversive activities, interfered with the course of the OFFICIAL tournament.

This is simply untrue. I will respond (but only once, I will not respond to baseless accusations based on rumors and excerpts from private correspondence):
discouraged players from signing up for the tournament.
I discussed the following fact with some players in private:

In essence:
When we tried, perhaps foolishly and possibly categorically, but very sincerely - to discuss, find out more about the rules, and even criticize - the posts were deleted, and we (in particular, Dirty Player) were politely told to go away... something like "no one is forcing you to play, the tournament is voluntary." After our posts were deleted, the question of the content of Dirty Player's post becomes irrelevant.
The main complaint is about the actions of the organizers - a dangerous precedent is being created, when posts (note - not spam or flame, I emphasize - this is IMPORTANT), that do not coincide with the opinion of the organizers, are deleted (As I understand it, the justifications may be different - expediency, irrelevance...).
Such a reaction to criticism (even if it is mistaken, absurd, and sometimes even unpleasant) that is perceived as a personal insult (I did not want to offend Adelaide personally in any way) - contradicts the spirit of free communication and exchange of views, and no one has ever talked about complete permissiveness. It is necessary to express one's attitude - a civic position, if you will. Based on this, it was preliminarily decided that if, I emphasize IF, this will be repeated and become a system, it will be necessary to clearly express disagreement with such actions - by leaving posts in the tournament topic:
"I will NOT participate in this tournament." I believe that this is in no way "subversive activity" (what a term... in the style of the 30s :-)), but only contributes to improving the atmosphere and working out the principles of interaction and uniting the player community. Simply put - TOGETHER we (players and/or organizers) are strong.
Let's, however, in the future:
Clarify such issues in private, and not make hasty public accusations, drawing incorrect conclusions from the log (or an excerpt) of my private correspondence on ICQ.
By the way, I warned my interlocutors (also tournament organizers, very competent and respected by me) explicitly that the conversation should remain between us - there is nothing shameful for me there, I warned precisely to avoid unnecessary hype.
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P.S. I consider my participation in this discussion to be over. I came to the forum for positive emotions and to enjoy the wonderful Game - such "discussions" and actions are starting to interfere.
In reply to Dudge
18 years ago
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2 Adelaide, 2 Loi.
Sorry for interrupting your conversation. Let's say you both fulfill your obligations, and what will we gain from it?
In the end, we'll lose the seasonal tournament on fixed maps (and I'll especially lose out because I love good fixed maps more than random ones) and lose a promising and interesting tournament that Loi organizes. Do we really need this?
And what's even worse, we'll lose two enthusiastic tournament organizers. That's probably a very unfavorable trade.
I would suggest a compromise.
With Adelaide's consent, I will refine the rules of the seasonal tournament on fixed maps to approximately the level of the rules currently used for random maps, and I will present it for discussion among the players, perhaps in the summer, in June. And in the fall (believe me, time flies), we will hold an official fixed-map tournament, a big one, as befits a decent resource. We will encourage players, recruit 24 people, and not those who drop out of the tournament immediately after signing up, but normal, serious people.
Although the resource is young, it's time to establish decent traditions.
Adelaide traditionally holds these tournaments; I've read old threads, and many people were grateful to her for the championships. It's not easy for a player who usually plays 5-player games to run a 3-player championship. For example, it would not be easy for me to run a 5-player tournament, so her efforts should be appreciated.
Personally, I didn't have any issues during the process; I played a match with an opponent, and we quickly agreed on everything. I think we can agree on everything with Uran as well. But if you set out to create conflict, you can find fault with any comma.
At the same time, I agree with Loi and Dirty Player that the forum is growing very quickly, and what was acceptable half a year or a year ago is now outdated.
In general, it's a normal working moment. I think that vbn and other players are ready to work on the tournament in the future and provide as much help as possible to the organizer. I emphasize, concrete help, and not just writing that everything is bad.

Overall, the resource is growing and maturing quickly; there are always growing pains, but they are easily overcome. With respect!
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Dirty_Player;176320
What are you talking about? I don't care whether your person holds the position of coordinator.
The fact that the coordinator has 9 remarks in their profile (and if I remember correctly, 10 is a BAN) says a lot!
Well, I didn't want to interfere in the argument... But the last fact doesn't mean anything ;) I have a lot of them too... Not a single one is truly DESERVED in the full sense of the word... And half of the banned users... And so on. Remarks don't always accurately reflect the essence. First
Second - I won't comment on the conflict. However, I warn you - as a moderator, I strongly advise you to stop these kinds of arguments and quarrels!!! In the future, such posts will be deleted!!

There is a "chit-chat" section for talking about "tangentially related" topics... Use private messages for insults or create (because the argument is not on topic, but it is important and necessary) a separate topic in this section.
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2 loi, Dirty_Player
I’ve never liked instigators… and I had a much better opinion of you…!!
You’ve already been given an answer regarding the warnings…
And do you KNOW what it’s like to be an organizer??? If so, then I don’t understand your messages…
How much effort does it take to create a tournament?? Don’t you know? - ask Adelaide(!!!)
This is the third tournament in my memory, and I actively participated in the first one… so I know firsthand what it’s like!!!
RESPECT!!! Where is your RESPECT for the Organizer??? Adelaide has done a tremendous amount of work!!! And a message like “The organizer only needs to create one post and draw a table.” “The rules are old Slavic, where did you copy the rules from?” is shocking in its blasphemy… and have you created anything even remotely similar to the Tournament of the Seasons???
The fact that Troika Online is still alive is entirely Adelaide’s merit!!!
And you know what – this is what scares me:
Adelaide;176219
To finish, I’ll tell you: this is my last online tournament for 3.
Regarding the forum’s decline – I’m speaking for myself. I left because there is a group of people here that I can’t stand… but at the same time, they haven’t “played enough” to get banned… so I had to choose to preserve my nerves…

To everyone: You know, this situation is very, very similar to the situation with the SCN: to destroy something that has already been created, and create… YOUR OWN… exactly your own… but EXACTLY the same…
Only the posts of Nagan-4 and invisible deserve respect (I won’t comment on the posts of the moderator and organizer)
2 invisible
Time passes, the world changes… two of my friends have left the forum… for more modern projects… someone is doing the same… I didn’t participate myself because I don’t have that much time to play right now, but when I looked at the list of players, I saw familiar faces, people who love to get the maximum out of every turn at any cost :) (I think those I’m talking about will understand me)… also, the reason was that, unfortunately, I didn’t see any new players… it’s a pity…
2 Ta_Kotoraya
If this post is deleted, please let me know.
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I support BotINKi's post! I am extremely disappointed by the opinions of Loi and Dirty_Player. I don't know what you meant, but the result is clearly the destruction of: tournament activity, enthusiasm... and most importantly, the lack of respect for the work and the people involved! P.S. This is what discourages players from visiting the forum.

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